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F-35 makes first test flights with external weapons
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 20, 2012 | W.J. Hennigan

Posted on 02/20/2012 7:31:48 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

F-35 makes first test flights with external weapons

By W.J. Hennigan, Los Angeles Times

February 20, 2012, 3:36 p.m. The F-35, the military's next-generation fighter jet, has begun its first flight tests carrying external missiles at Edwards Air Force Base in the Mojave Desert.

The stealthy, supersonic fighter, built byLockheed Martin Corp., has been undergoing tests since its first flight in late 2006.

The F-35, known as the Joint Strike Fighter, will be used by the Navy, Marines and Air Force. Three versions of the F-35 are being built — one that can operate off aircraft carriers, one capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings, and a conventional fighter jet.

All three F-35 variants will be built on the same production line at Lockheed's plant in Fort Worth. The center fuselage sections will be made byNorthrop Grumman Corp.in Palmdale.

The F-35 is the Pentagon's costliest program going; the Defense Department has plans to buy 2,443 of the aircraft at a cost of $382 billion.

On Thursday, an F-35 took off carrying two air-to-air missiles under its wing, Lockheed said. In addition, the F-35 carried two 2,000-pound bunker-busting bombs and two advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles in its two internal weapon bays.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f35; jsf; lockheedmartin; navair

1 posted on 02/20/2012 7:32:04 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Its time for the F-35 to move over at let the F-22 take over.Produce the number ordered and that is it. The F-22 or the F-15 Silent Eagle has proven its worth. It has been in testing too long.


2 posted on 02/20/2012 7:48:43 PM PST by U-238
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


3 posted on 02/20/2012 8:02:02 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: U-238

Tell that to the Marines.


4 posted on 02/20/2012 8:13:26 PM PST by pfflier
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To: magslinger

ping


5 posted on 02/20/2012 8:15:10 PM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-35C is already doing steam cat launches at Pax River. I guess OTs with the new electromagnetic launchers (EMALS)
can’t be too far off. Boink!


6 posted on 02/20/2012 8:16:09 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: pfflier

This entire project should of ended in 2006. Offer them the new Super Hornet.


7 posted on 02/20/2012 8:17:04 PM PST by U-238
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To: pfflier

It was reported in March 2009 that testing by Lockheed Martin and the Royal Australian Air Force revealed that the F-35 was not as loud as first reported, being “only about as noisy as an F-16 fitted with a Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 engine” and “quieter than the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.” However according to an acoustics study done by Lockheed Martin and the US Air Force, the noise levels of the F-35 are found to be comparable to the F-22 Raptor and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.


8 posted on 02/20/2012 8:22:24 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

4 years roughly of flight test on each of F16 and F15..
about 8 for the Raptor and going on 5 for the F35.

seems like reasonable progress to me given the bleeding edge
technologies in play and the amount of investment $$..


9 posted on 02/20/2012 8:23:39 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

and there goes any stealthiness it actually had


10 posted on 02/20/2012 8:25:21 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Thrownatbirth

They already started testing on the EMALS but there are problems.


11 posted on 02/20/2012 8:29:06 PM PST by U-238
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To: GeronL

Not necessarily, since the f-35 was always designed to carry external munitions. Besides you can jettison or release any fuel tanks and stand-off weapons and still retain internally mounted weapons.


12 posted on 02/20/2012 8:31:37 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: RitchieAprile

But it seems that they are encountering problem after problem.the F-22 has already been developed. It seems that the nations that are developing the project is leaving or severly cutting back their orders


13 posted on 02/20/2012 8:33:31 PM PST by U-238
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To: RitchieAprile

Even the Pentagon is getting tired

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2012/02/pentagon-boss-has-harsh-words-for-f-35-program-and-process.html


14 posted on 02/20/2012 8:35:52 PM PST by U-238
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To: sukhoi-30mki

probably not as stealthy as internal weapons bays like the F-22 has (had?)


15 posted on 02/20/2012 8:37:16 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

The F-22 cannot deploy heavy (2,000 lb class) bombs from its internal bay. The F-35 A/C can.


16 posted on 02/20/2012 8:41:16 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: U-238

Uh-oh. If EMALS is delayed, I don’t think there’s a Plan B for CVN 78.


17 posted on 02/20/2012 8:43:06 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: U-238

someone seems to have peed in Bob Cox’s wheaties.


18 posted on 02/20/2012 8:54:45 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Thrownatbirth

The last test was in November of 2011 when it tested a F-35 connected to the system


19 posted on 02/20/2012 9:00:08 PM PST by U-238
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To: RitchieAprile

Would it turn it into mush if you did that?


20 posted on 02/20/2012 9:03:56 PM PST by U-238
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To: GeronL
This goes back to the original spec, and why all the people that want to replace the F-35 with more F-22s just don't get it.

The original spec was for a stealthy aircraft capable of internally carrying 2x2000 lb. J-weapons. You can't fit those in an F-22.

That spec was for a "first couple days of the war" scenario, before air superiority has been achieved. After air superiority has been achieved then you slap on the LAUs and turn the thing into a bomb truck.

21 posted on 02/20/2012 9:19:23 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Finally, someone who has a clue.


22 posted on 02/20/2012 9:27:50 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: U-238
The Super Bug can't operate from the deck of an LHA/LHD.

Now what's your "solution"?

23 posted on 02/20/2012 9:39:43 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Bomb them


24 posted on 02/20/2012 9:41:24 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Spoken like a clueless pogue.


25 posted on 02/20/2012 9:42:47 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

What is your solution then?


26 posted on 02/20/2012 9:44:47 PM PST by U-238
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I am extremely curious to read your solution.


27 posted on 02/20/2012 9:47:23 PM PST by U-238
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To: GeronL

28 posted on 02/20/2012 9:49:25 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I mentioned the F-22 on the top of the thread


29 posted on 02/20/2012 9:51:21 PM PST by U-238
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I wasn’t trying to put down the F-35


30 posted on 02/20/2012 9:51:37 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: U-238

My solution is to continue with the program and to ignore clueless emoters like yourself.


31 posted on 02/20/2012 9:53:49 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I knew you did not have a solution.


32 posted on 02/20/2012 9:55:23 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Yeah, let's rock it downtown with a total of four 100 lb. JDAM! That will really scare the enemy.

Mr. Cunningham was nice enough to show you the F-22 load plan. You can see that the F-22 carries about as much air to ground ordnance as a Sopwith Camel. It has one air to ground mission, and that is high threat SEAD (suppression of enemy air defenses). That mean throwing that 100 lb. JDAM at a control van or radar of a SAM sight.

Now we have to go all the way back to the beginning. The JSF spec is for 2x2000 lb. J-weps, internal, with stealth. The F-22 can't do it.

33 posted on 02/20/2012 10:01:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

I agree with you and the F-22. I have always wanted the F-22 to be used.


34 posted on 02/20/2012 10:03:00 PM PST by U-238 (tH)
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To: USNBandit

The Advanced Unitary Penetrator (AUP), a candidate to be integrated with a GBU-31 guidance kit, is a 2000 lb. class penetrator warhead intended as an upgrade/replacement for the BLU-109 warhead in applications requiring increased penetration.


35 posted on 02/20/2012 10:05:11 PM PST by U-238 (tH)
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To: U-238

The point is the F-22 can’t do what the F-35 can. The F-35 can carry out a legitimate air-to-ground mission in stealth mode with heavy ordinance and once stealth mode is not as critical, has the capability to be used more conventionally.

This is not to say the program is without flaws, it is just to point out the capabilities are not interchangeable.


36 posted on 02/21/2012 3:26:34 AM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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37 posted on 02/21/2012 5:45:19 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: U-238
They value the Harrier and it's unique capabilities. The super hornet is restricted to carrier and finished runway operations.

It may be a go fast airplane but it doesn't meet the needs of the USMC when it comes to organic close air support.

38 posted on 02/21/2012 7:37:27 AM PST by pfflier
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To: pfflier
Unfortunately the Super Hornet, and Hornets in general, are some of the slowest fighters around. I do think the USMC should have some of their legacy Hornets replaced with Super Hornets. They have some of the oldest Hornets and procurement rates of the JSF are going too low to give them what they need. Even a few squadrons that would be eventually transferred to the Navy would be a good idea to keep up their combat readiness.

The obvious priority will be to get rid of the Harrier. It has been a disaster of a program.

39 posted on 02/21/2012 8:40:52 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Thrownatbirth

111118-N-GR159-003 LAKEHURST, N.J. (Nov. 18, 2011) An F-35C Lightning II test aircraft piloted by Lt. Christopher Tabert launches for the first time from the new electromagnetic aircraft launch system. The new launch system will be installed on the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78). The F-35C carrier variant of the Joint Strike Fighter is distinct from the F-35A and F-35B variants with its larger wing surfaces and reinforced landing gear to withstand catapult launches and deck landing impacts associated with the demanding aircraft carrier environment. Initial carrier trials for the F-35C are scheduled for 2013. The F-35C is undergoing test and evaluation at Naval Air Station Patuxent River and Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst before delivery to the fleet. (U.S. Navy photo by David Sckrabulis/Released)

40 posted on 02/21/2012 10:23:45 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: U-238

You lack the grey matter necessary to rise to the level of being obtuse.


41 posted on 02/21/2012 11:12:31 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: GeronL

I didn’t say you were. Just pointing out that the F-22 will also carry ordnance on external hardpoints.


42 posted on 02/21/2012 11:14:08 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: USNBandit
It has been a disaster of a program.

The VMA community disagrees.

43 posted on 02/21/2012 11:17:40 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: U-238
Even the Pentagon is getting tired.....

Nah, that's just some 'crat noising off, trying to ingratiate himself with the 'Rats. I suppose that means another handicapper is calling the election for Barky, and wants to be on the winning side, while riding his glide path to retirement.

'Rats and 'crats, birds of a feather.

44 posted on 02/21/2012 11:44:32 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: A.A. Cunningham

When you crash 50% of the A models and have a shipboard mishap rate 15 times the next most dangerous aircraft, it is hard to call it a success.


45 posted on 02/21/2012 2:44:39 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"The Super Bug can't operate from the deck of an LHA/LHD. Now what's your "solution"?

Get the Marines out of fixed air, which they never should have had in the first place. Turn all fixed air duties over to the Navy, which makes all the sense in the world anyway. There's no way we're sending the Marines to hit the beach in real combat without a supercarrier nearby anyway. It's way past time to cut all this duplicative spending just because the military branches are going "Oooo, I want one too!".
46 posted on 02/22/2012 1:04:08 PM PST by DesScorp
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