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Live Thread (CNN Presidential Debate from Mesa, AZ, Feb 22, 8 PM EST)
CNN.com ^ | 02-22-2012 | parksstp

Posted on 02/22/2012 3:30:02 PM PST by parksstp

LIVE DEBATE THREAD (Is it too early to start?)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; aknockout4newt; arizona; arizonadebate; arizonaprimary; az2012; backstabberromney; bitterromney; elections; gingrich; gopdebate; livegopdebate; michiganprimary; mitttrotsky; newt; newt4gunfreezones; newtlautenberg; newtvotedantigun; newtwon; paul; popesantorum; reichsfuhrerpaul; rick4anticondomczar; rickhatesprotestants; ricksturnsoffvoters; romney; santorum
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Predictions/Scoring/Drinking Game Rules:

Romney - Pretend like your watching Sesame Street. Today's Mitt Romney is brought to you by the word "Earmark" which you'll probably here from his mouth a zillion times trying to counter a Santorum attack (along with that creepy staredown grin that nobody ever calls him on). Take a drink whenever he does either. If Santorum or Newt draw blood, he's in more trouble. But even if he draws, depending on the circumstances, it may still not be enough.

Santorum - In tonight's play, Barack Obama will be played by Mitt Romney, in which Santorum will turn Romney into a punching bag designed to show what it will look like if he got a shot at the real Obama in the ring. Santorum's ready for this. As quickly as Romney says "Earmarks", Santorum will be back with Romney=Obamacare, TARP, and Climate change. Drink on either occurrences. Santorum will also have to defend himself on the social questions bound to come tonight after some of his comments. He has to defend himself strongly, because if he doesn't, as strangely as it sounds, Newt Gingrich will do it for him.

Newt - Standard ideas, probably won't attack anyone with two exceptions. If he gets a question on his "viability" and current polls, Newt is going to launch into a tirade at the VA GOP and the ballot access issue there. Trust me, that's already been worked in there somewhere should the same situation arise. But the more likely "indignant" moment where Newt takes off at the media is likely not to come at a question directed at him, but at Rick Santorum. For example, if Santorum doesn't do a good or strong enough job defending himself on his comments and stances this week from the social issues (Satan, birth control, etc), Newt's going to go after the media for asking stupid questions with idiot premises to begin with. Trust me, that one is worked in there too should the situation arise. Finally, if neither of the two cases present themselves, Newt may suggest the participants as chicken for backing out of the debate on March 1. However, if he goes with that route, look for Romney, Santorum, or even Paul to bring up Ben Jones and 1994.

Paul - He's an idiot on foreign policy, and tonight we probably find out that he is wishy washy on social issues as well. Whenever he says something kooky, stupid, or downright dangerous, then take a drink. If you don't get alcohol poisoning, I commend you.

1 posted on 02/22/2012 3:30:12 PM PST by parksstp
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To: parksstp

How about the “last debate” meme.....I was pretty sure there was one more between now and Super Tuesday. That was the impression when the debate in Georgia was cancelled - one of three remaining - meaning still two were left before Super Tuesday.


2 posted on 02/22/2012 3:35:07 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: parksstp

Great, now I’m going to have to find CNN on my TV.


3 posted on 02/22/2012 3:35:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: onyx

So this is gong tobe a conference table style debate..


4 posted on 02/22/2012 3:36:45 PM PST by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: parksstp

The Santobots already began a thread to start a problem.

This is pre damage control.


5 posted on 02/22/2012 3:37:16 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: parksstp

Who gives a damn? Heads, we lose, tails the commies win. NO ONE CAN FIX THIS ANYMORE.

I can’t believe people are still paying attention to this farce.


6 posted on 02/22/2012 3:43:04 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: parksstp

Anybody know what time the debate starts?


7 posted on 02/22/2012 3:48:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Christie at the beach

“The Santobots already began a thread to start a problem.”

So, are you a Nutubobot or a Pualbot?


8 posted on 02/22/2012 3:49:09 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: cripplecreek

8 pm


9 posted on 02/22/2012 3:49:18 PM PST by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: Slambat
What we know is that Free Republic is


10 posted on 02/22/2012 3:56:35 PM PST by show
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To: parksstp

Senator Santorum, do you stand by your contention in 2008 that the institutions of America are under attack by a super-natural being named Satan?


11 posted on 02/22/2012 3:59:27 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Slambat

She is supposedly a Newtbot, but judging by her posting histroy, I sincerly doubt she is really a Newt supporter. Probably a masquerading Romulan.

I said nothing critical of Newt in my analysis listed above. Everybody knows he is prepping some kind of indigant moment to exploit in the debate should the opportunity come. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s good debate strategy. And I think I laid out 3 possible circumstances where the situation might present itself.

And also, just to clarify, when I say “Standard ideas”, I don’t mean dull and boring, but the typical stuff people are used to hearing in a Newt speech or statement.

So I don’t know what her problem is, unless of course it was with calling Ron Paul a kook.


12 posted on 02/22/2012 4:00:12 PM PST by parksstp (I pick Rick! (If he's good enough for Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh, he's good enough for me))
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To: parksstp

So, Mittens decided to play the “class warfare” card today, huh? Conservative, my arse!


13 posted on 02/22/2012 4:05:41 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: parksstp
lol..just the truth sir...
Ron Paul is a Kook and OLD one at that...
14 posted on 02/22/2012 4:08:29 PM PST by haircutter
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To: Crazieman
Who gives a damn? Heads, we lose, tails the commies win. NO ONE CAN FIX THIS ANYMORE. I can’t believe people are still paying attention to this farce

"Fixing it" is an irrelevant concept. The question is whether it can be improved vs the status quo. The answer is yes. However given that we have two conservatives splitting the vote and dems/independents/RINOs voting for Romney in the primaries it will be quite a challenge.

15 posted on 02/22/2012 4:09:27 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Mariner
"Senator Santorum, do you stand by your contention in 2008 that the institutions of America are under attack by a super-natural being named Satan?"

Whoever should ask this question would be shown to be a babbling idiot with the response, "Americans who still believe us one nation under 'a super-natural being' named God, would have no problem with that contention. Why do you?"

16 posted on 02/22/2012 4:11:00 PM PST by drpix
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Drinking word for this Newtist is: FUNDAMENTAL.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 4:15:12 PM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: parksstp

Ping for later.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 4:15:14 PM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: ishmac

Ping for later


19 posted on 02/22/2012 4:18:14 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Ping...later


20 posted on 02/22/2012 4:20:57 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: C. Edmund Wright

IIRC, the other two have been cancelled, due to lack of participants.


21 posted on 02/22/2012 4:22:47 PM PST by Shelayne (NO ROMNEY--NOT NOW--NOT EVER!)
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To: parksstp
The biggest vulnerability I can see tonight from Gingrich in this Arizona debate is his quasi-amnesty stance. If this debate goes there, I don't think that will play well.
22 posted on 02/22/2012 4:23:00 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Bushbacker1

After all this time saying he’s a Conservative, he goes the Liberal, class warfare route (with his “new” tax plan).

This guy had better not end up as our nominee.


23 posted on 02/22/2012 4:27:00 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: parksstp

Newt is going to have to make his own moments CNN will avoid him the best they can.


24 posted on 02/22/2012 4:28:21 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: A. Morgan

It should have been held outside on the lawn. The weather here is just so perfect today-currently 78 degrees without a cloud in the sky!


25 posted on 02/22/2012 4:28:53 PM PST by ScoopAmma (We are led by the Resident -in Chief; aka part-time member of Webelo Troop 44)
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To: drpix

I would certainly enjoy seeing that exchange.


26 posted on 02/22/2012 4:29:39 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Red_Devil 232

They’re gonna focus on Santorum’s Satan stuff.


27 posted on 02/22/2012 4:30:39 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: parksstp

It may be in Arizona but this debate is all about taking out Willard in Michigan!

Go Newtorum!!!!

Michigan @NBC News/Marist
Santorum 35, Romney 37, Gingrich 8
NEWTORUM +6 OVER Willard

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination @Associated Press/GfK
Santorum 33, Romney 32, Gingrich 15
NEWTORUM +16 OVER Willard

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination @Quinnipiac Survey
Santorum 35, Romney 26, Gingrich 14
NEWTORUM +23 OVER Willard

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination @Gallup Tracking
Santorum 35, Romney 27, Gingrich 15
NEWTORUM +23 OVER Willard


28 posted on 02/22/2012 4:31:03 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Red_Devil 232

didn’t someone say last week Mitt had somehow bought most of the tickets to the live audience or somehow managed to stack the audience in his favor . . . I hope not.

Go NEWT!


29 posted on 02/22/2012 4:31:03 PM PST by Qwackertoo (Gingrich/West 2012)
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To: Mariner
Hail in North Alabama.
30 posted on 02/22/2012 4:31:35 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Santorum says he isn't a visionary. Sorry Rick, without a vision the people perish.)
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To: freemarketsfreeminds

Mith and Rickie will avoid any mention of Newt or his positions to avoid Newt getting any rebuttal time!


31 posted on 02/22/2012 4:33:22 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I better not lose my DISH signal . . . oh no and daughter just left for dance class a bit ago and won’t be out until 8:15 . . . and she wonder why I always say “bee careful”.


32 posted on 02/22/2012 4:34:17 PM PST by Qwackertoo (Gingrich/West 2012)
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To: Rational Thought
After all this time saying he’s a Conservative, he goes the Liberal, class warfare route (with his “new” tax plan). This guy had better not end up as our nominee.

Willard the Lib is toast if Rick and Newt unite.

Starting TONIGHT.

33 posted on 02/22/2012 4:34:50 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Red_Devil 232

John King will try to steer the debate too.


34 posted on 02/22/2012 4:38:00 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: parksstp
Marcella is here, eating my veggie salad - I don't know what meat tastes like anymore.

Screw the non-fat diet - I'm drinking Amaretto during this debate.

The doc says I have to gain weight, then says don't eat any fat - huh? Is that possible? Bring on the Amaretto.

35 posted on 02/22/2012 4:39:28 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will bash Hussein in debates - Newt needs money.)
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To: All

CNN Live Stream:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1


36 posted on 02/22/2012 4:40:10 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Qwackertoo; onyx
didn’t someone say last week Mitt had somehow bought most of the tickets to the live audience or somehow managed to stack the audience in his favor

I think you can count on the audience being stacked. Mesa, AZ is a mormon stronghold and I'm sure the mormons will be there in force to boo Newt and Santorum and cheer hysterically for Mitt.

37 posted on 02/22/2012 4:40:46 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: Qwackertoo

Isn’t that the truth. Take nothing for granted. My future son-in-law has been spending a lot of time on the road between Huntsville and Tuscaloosa. Just what I need. Another kid to worry about. :)


38 posted on 02/22/2012 4:42:51 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Santorum says he isn't a visionary. Sorry Rick, without a vision the people perish.)
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To: parksstp; onyx

Geesh... FR is slooowwww tonight... :-(


39 posted on 02/22/2012 4:43:10 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Christie at the beach

“SantoBots”?

Kinda mean, Christie.

I prefer SatanNots. Or AngelBots.

Either one describes us perfectly. (^;0


40 posted on 02/22/2012 4:44:19 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I think you’re right. I think Obama wants to go against Santorum..a rooky campared to Newt.


41 posted on 02/22/2012 4:45:36 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Red_Devil 232

I think you’re right. I think Obama wants to go against Santorum..a rookie campared to Newt.


42 posted on 02/22/2012 4:45:44 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: nutmeg

Yeah, I’ve had it crash on me a couple times in just the last 5 minutes. I don’t know if she’ll make it through the debate.


43 posted on 02/22/2012 4:46:05 PM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: haircutter

And he could use an eyebrow haircut!


44 posted on 02/22/2012 4:46:32 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Sacajaweau

BINGO!


45 posted on 02/22/2012 4:47:08 PM PST by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: greyfoxx39
I think you can count on the audience being stacked. Mesa, AZ is a mormon stronghold and I'm sure the mormons will be there in force to boo Newt and Santorum and cheer hysterically for Mitt.

That people is a fact. I hope that there will be support there for Newt. Demonstrations outside?

46 posted on 02/22/2012 4:48:14 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: parksstp

I predict that the worshippers of Saint Rick will declare him the winner over the satanic forces of the other candidates.


47 posted on 02/22/2012 4:48:37 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Christie at the beach

Santobots? How offensive!
Use “Rick Rollers” instead.


48 posted on 02/22/2012 4:49:19 PM PST by Josh Painter ("We intend to change Washington, not accomodate it." - Newt Gingrich)
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To: ScoopAmma

Well, they’re not in Tahiti where you are!


49 posted on 02/22/2012 4:50:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: parksstp

CNN Live stream link:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1


50 posted on 02/22/2012 4:50:55 PM PST by TomGuy
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