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Child Tax Credit for Immigrants Without SSN Might be History ()
Southgate Patch Latino ^

Posted on 02/22/2012 5:46:00 PM PST by wac3rd

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Eliberto’s two sons are US-born. He and his wife are undocumented immigrants and because they cannot have a Social Security Number (SSN), they use an ITIN instead to file their yearly tax return.

“The money [Child Tax Credit] is the only one we qualify for, and we end up using almost entirely on the children,” stated Eliberto, who did not provide a last name to protect his family. The Van Nuys resident earns approximately $20,000 a year through full time employment and says that every two weeks approximately $154 disappear from his already small paycheck to pay federal and state taxes.

Eliberto and Sonia are really worried. Talk of Congress moving forward with a proposal to restrict the Child Tax Credit (CTC) and the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) refund to taxpayers who have a SSN will impact their family budget and that of more than 2 million working families who pay income and payroll taxes. Hard-working families and low-income families pay over $9 billion in payroll taxes each year according to Accounting Coach. Eliberto pays $5,544 in taxes every year but receives $2,000 in return as part of the ACTC program.

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Eliberto’s family is Latino. The bill in question will hit the Latino community hardest because 80 percent of those impacted are Latino families. Of the estimated 15 million children living in poverty in the U.S., forty percent are Latino children. Eliberto asks me why Congress is attacking his family. His two U.S.-born children can be heard playing in the background and I have no real answer for him.

(Excerpt) Read more at southgate.patch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; crymeariver
Note the author and references:

For more information, please visit our website at www.chirla.org or the National Immigration Law Center or the National Council of La Raza.

Jorge-Mario Cabrera is the director of communications at the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA).

1 posted on 02/22/2012 5:46:06 PM PST by wac3rd
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To: wac3rd
I am sick and tired of hearing that the only people who work hard or a working family is one who earns 20K. My husband works really hard and he makes more than 20K and every 2 weeks he has about $1400.00 taken out for taxes and we don't get any credits or anything from the government
we just get to pay for others credits
2 posted on 02/22/2012 5:57:28 PM PST by funfan (and his crew)
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To: wac3rd

The problem is anchor babies, not the tax deduction. I’m sorry this man and his family are having a hard time, but I’m even sorrier that our laws have been so twisted from their original intent (the 14th “jurisdiction thereof” misinterpretation) that he was led on to believe this money was due him, and I’m paying for it.


3 posted on 02/22/2012 5:58:05 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: wac3rd
I say we go with Mexico's immigration laws. What would Mexico do?

I think jail would be in his future, and the family would be headed back to their country of origin.

/johnny

4 posted on 02/22/2012 6:01:27 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: wac3rd
“Eliberto asks me why Congress is attacking his family.”

You will be safe from the nasty old Congress as soon as you go home.......

5 posted on 02/22/2012 6:02:34 PM PST by I am bigjohn
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To: wac3rd
“The money [Child Tax Credit] is the only one we qualify for, and we end up using almost entirely on the children,” stated Eliberto,

These sons of bitches talk about EITC like it's owed them when what they are doing is committing larceny on the taxpayers of this country.

6 posted on 02/22/2012 6:06:35 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: wac3rd

When I was in grad school 15 years ago, the international students told me they were not allowed to claim ANY dependents at all while working LEGALLY with their education visa. I assumed this was also true of any and all non permanent residents also.


7 posted on 02/22/2012 6:08:42 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: wac3rd
Why would any FReeper want to click on any website related to the National Council of La Raza?

An organization on level with Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, KKK, CAIR etc.

no thanks.

8 posted on 02/22/2012 6:32:10 PM PST by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: wac3rd

Tell ‘em to go talk to Carlos Slim about why he and the Mexican government are not creating jobs in their own nation.


9 posted on 02/22/2012 6:35:04 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: wac3rd
Eliberto pays $5,544 in taxes every year

Bullcrap! Nobody making $20,000 per year pays $5,544, not even one red cent in income taxes. Not even this much in payroll taxes. This is just bullcrap to make us sorry for them and their cause. Damn liars.

10 posted on 02/22/2012 6:36:26 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: wac3rd

What BS. I live next door to Van Nuys and I can’t give anything away at a garage sale. I would rather give something to someone for 25 cents than put it in the trash. I once offered a lady to take a table and I would give her $25.00. These people hate us that much.

And how does someone making that little pay taxes, I thought 50 percent of the people didn’t pay taxes.


11 posted on 02/22/2012 6:39:11 PM PST by Haddit
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To: Clock King
Another Illegal Alien Sob Story

Carlos Slim net worth: ~ 74 billion

74,000,000,000/20,000 = 3,700,000

IOW, all we have to do is confiscate Slim Helu's net worth and almost 4 million Mexicans temporarily taking up space in the United States can live like Kings at home...at least for a year

Carlos Slim! Yer phone is ringing! It's destiny calling, you thief!

12 posted on 02/22/2012 6:40:01 PM PST by Regulator
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To: wac3rd

The author must be factoring in California’s state taxes to get to $5544 on $20000.


13 posted on 02/22/2012 6:49:36 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: wac3rd
“The money [Child Tax Credit] is the only one we qualify for, and we end up using almost entirely on the children,” stated Eliberto..

Wow that's just horrible, (sarc). I think the numbers quoted in the article are bogus. People are not paying payroll tax and $20k married and kids don't pay income taxes.

14 posted on 02/22/2012 6:55:23 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

In 2010 the eitc for a family filing joint with 2 children was $5036. His state and federal paid together is $3696 so just pull off the $696 and say that is state taxes paid. That means he will get back about $2036 dollars that he NEVER paid in!!
And people wonder why we are broke. The income tax system is just another welfare program for certain people.


15 posted on 02/22/2012 6:59:20 PM PST by sheana
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To: VeniVidiVici

In 2010 the eitc for a family filing joint with 2 children was $5036. His state and federal paid together is $3696 so just pull off the $696 and say that is state taxes paid. That means he will get back about $2036 dollars that he NEVER paid in!!
And people wonder why we are broke. The income tax system is just another welfare program for certain people.


16 posted on 02/22/2012 7:00:01 PM PST by sheana
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To: VeniVidiVici

Sorry for the iPad hiccups.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 7:05:25 PM PST by sheana
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To: funfan

Chamber of Commerce, Corporate America and Democrats/RINO are the problem with this country. The first two want cheap labor. They teach Chinese and Indian workers to replace high paying factory and IT workers. Then the two with Dems who just want voters immigrate (legal and illegal) workers who can do only low paying jobs that immediately qualify them for gov entitlements. No nation can survive and have a stable prosperous society if the ones on top enrich themselves at the top and implement policies that will impoverish the middle class by having open borders, welfare state and free trade that encourages offshoring high paying American jobs. Don’t give me this crap that offshoring happens solely due to gov regs and taxes. Even industries not severely impacted by gov regs and taxes will jump at the chance to replace American workers who want good salaries and know their rights with Third World ones too frighten to complain and are willing to work for pennies.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 7:13:15 PM PST by Fee
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To: Clock King

The Mexican billionaire, who Forbes still lists as the world’s richest man, said in 2007 that he could do more to help fight poverty by building businesses than by “being a Santa Claus.”


19 posted on 02/22/2012 7:36:55 PM PST by Haddit
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To: Haddit; Regulator
The Mexican billionaire, who Forbes still lists as the world’s richest man, said in 2007 that he could do more to help fight poverty by building businesses than by “being a Santa Claus.”

That's what I'm saying. Why is Mexico still in such a state that its people risk their lives to get here illegally? The Left and its MSM lapdogs and the radicals like La Raza never talk about why their homelands are unable to generate wealth and prosperity. It's all just "blame the USA."

20 posted on 02/22/2012 7:48:19 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: wac3rd

no way $5544 in taxes on 20k.

20k is approx: 2150 in income tax. Fica\Medicare = approx
$1530 - state & local are 2k ? no way.
If he claims 4 W-4 exemptions, he’ll pay less than 500 bucks a year.

If he makes 20k, his taxable income (4 exemptions and the standard deduction) will get him most all his income taxes back plus he gets the child care credit.


21 posted on 02/22/2012 8:35:23 PM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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To: wac3rd
His two U.S.-born children can be heard playing in the background and I have no real answer for him.

Hugh and series. All you're child tax credits are belong to us. It was a dark and rainy night...

22 posted on 02/22/2012 8:58:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the DemocRAT voter base to start paying their "fair share" of taxes.)
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To: umgud
Bullcrap! Nobody making $20,000 per year pays $5,544, not even one red cent in income taxes.

You're right. I have a friend who makes about $20,000 per year with his retirement plan and he pays no taxes, he**, he doesn't even have to file after all is said and done, at least that is what he tells me, and if he did pay taxes it wouldn't be 5,544. A couple with 2 kids at that income level would only file in order to get the unearned credit. In fact, if I recall correctly, if you pay taxes at all you don't qualify for the credit. This whole article is a BS sob story designed to work up sympathy for illegal blood suckers.

23 posted on 02/22/2012 9:06:08 PM PST by calex59
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To: sarasmom

It’s from the Patch website, not La Raza.


24 posted on 02/22/2012 9:47:04 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd

I have an answer for him- if he doesn’t like it he can take his family back to Mexico. The general “I am owed, my children are owed” additude of many illegals is mind boggling. I cannot imagine why I would expect anything if I illegally lived in another country.


25 posted on 02/22/2012 10:04:26 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: wac3rd; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

26 posted on 02/23/2012 7:25:21 AM PST by HiJinx (I can (still) see Mexico from my back porch. You will, too, soon.)
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To: wac3rd

Cry me a rio, Eliberto. I don’t believe these numbers in this article, but even if they are true Eliberto and family are sucking off taxpayers more than enough to make up for it.


27 posted on 02/23/2012 8:33:37 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: sheana

Oh, they suck up far more than what they pay in, but most illegals have a hard time getting the EITC. You can’t actually get the EITC if you don’t have a SSN. Just having kids with a SSN doesn’t do it. The filers have to BOTH have one, not just either the husband or wife, either.

This is how they avoid paying taxes and SOAK the rest of us:
1. Claim a LOT of deductions so that not that much is withheld for taxes in the first place.
2. Or, claim the additional child tax credit for DEPENDENTS who live in Mexico and who don’t even have SSNs. These aren’t actual children of theirs, just people who they say they support. I’ve seen tax returns of up to $7000 gotten back that way.
3. The amount of benefits that their US born children suck up each year is HUGE. Food stamps, Medicaid, TANF, local aid, and schooling costs are FAR MORE than what they would ever possibly pay in.
4. And of course, we all know about under the table pay.
5. The EITC comes in if an illegal has somehow managed to get a real SSN issued to them. It happens legally under certain circumstances.


28 posted on 02/23/2012 4:08:18 PM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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