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Seeing the dragon of racial prejudice: The Chinese bias against African-Americans
New York Daily News ^ | Monday, February 20, 2012 | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 02/23/2012 10:58:01 AM PST by presidio9

Though Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer-winning columnist for The Washington Post, is a serious and highly sophisticated man, I was disappointed by a recent column in which he compared the United States and China.

In eloquent terms, Robinson asserted that the Chinese, right now, look more unsentimentally at their problems and are not bluffing the world about taking them on, no matter how large, intimidating and deeply dug in by custom they might be.

Robinson suggests the Chinese seem to be addressing their most important natural resource, which is their population, as we are not — as proven by the depressingly shallow nature of American political arguments.

Fair enough, as far as it goes.

But Robinson does not mention something about China — something that an honest assessment of its strengths and weaknesses should not ignore.

For at least 20 years, I have heard stories from Americans who speak Mandarin, have traveled to the Asian country and have tales about Chinese bigotry against black Americans and Africans.

Yet this reality is barely whispered in our diverse media circus.

I have no doubt there are thousands upon thousands of decent Chinese and Chinese-Americans who, having known the sting of prejudice themselves, harbor no ill will toward African-Americans. But let’s not deny a stubborn cultural problem when it is staring us in the face.

Here are examples of what I have been told.

One Irish-American friend fell in love with Chinese culture and learned Mandarin. Often in New York’s Chinatown, he heard this answer when Chinese New Yorkers were asked by those from the mainland what New York was like: “Fine. But too many black people.”

A friend who does business in China and travels there at least six times a year was questioned by a Chinese cab driver who claimed that Chinese people were amazed that George W. Bush had chosen Condoleezza Rice to represent America to the world.

Why? “Because she is black, quite an embarrassment; it dishonors your country,” was the cab driver’s answer.

Another frequent business traveler to China was recently in a Hong Kong bar with college-educated, upper class, very successful men who were supposedly well-educated.

After a few drinks, one said to him upon seeing a black person on the bar’s television, “They need to wash more. That is why people do not like them.” When it was explained that black people are not that color because they are not clean, there was a nodding silence followed a bit later by, “I still think they need to wash more.”

These are just stray anecdotes, you say? Well, I invite and hope to encounter some defenders of Chinese adherence to transcendent humanitarian beliefs.

I actually expect to hear nothing other than accusations of supposed black American paranoia.

Robinson and others are right when they call out the dog whistles of disguised racial bitterness by Republican candidates trying slyly to draw the votes of Southern rednecks. Racism is real in America, and it frequently hides in code words.

But let’s be clear: A broad admiration for certain facets of Chinese culture ought not conceal the fact that bad racial attitudes there may be at least as pervasive as they are in the United States.

There are those who would have us assess individuals not as being human types, but as being examples of what we’re told to genetically expect from a given ethnic group.

That is an impulse that all of us — across skin tones, ethnic cultures and political systems — must continually expose and fight.


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1 posted on 02/23/2012 10:58:09 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

It takes a lot of education to persuade people to ignore the obvious. That human beings are naturally tribal.


2 posted on 02/23/2012 11:10:49 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Spike Lee is annoying, but if we are going to teach kids "Social Studies" instead of US History, "Do The Right Thing" should be required viewing.

3 posted on 02/23/2012 11:15:41 AM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9
It's not just Chinese bias against African Americans. I have never met a Asian in college or at work from a Asian country that has high regards for ANY black people.

Of course I have met some Asians who think white/anglo/Europeans are just one step above blacks.

Not saying all Asians are like this but the ones I have met from other countries tend to have an air of superiority.

Not sure how the regular rank and file Asian person feels.

4 posted on 02/23/2012 11:16:59 AM PST by trailhkr1
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To: presidio9
That is an impulse that all of us — across skin tones, ethnic cultures and political systems — must continually expose and fight..

Guess what? There's no way on earth we can make the Chinese ashamed of being racist. Better to accept the reality, and remember that while they think badly of black people, that doesn't mean they think all that well of white people either.

5 posted on 02/23/2012 11:17:57 AM PST by heartwood
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To: presidio9

“Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer-winning columnist for The Washington Post, is a serious and highly sophisticated man,”

One of the seven warning signs that an article should not be taken seriously....


6 posted on 02/23/2012 11:19:05 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: presidio9
Robinson and others are right when they call out the dog whistles of disguised racial bitterness by Republican candidates trying slyly to draw the votes of Southern rednecks. Racism is real in America, and it frequently hides in code words.

Yeah, words like "tolerance" and "inclusiveness" and "diversity."

7 posted on 02/23/2012 11:20:14 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to dismember anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: presidio9

Spike is a skilled film-maker. Too bad he is so angry.


8 posted on 02/23/2012 11:20:56 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: presidio9

I have had several Chinese-American friends confide to me that in general San Franciscans of Chinese ancestry hate blacks. Generally speaking, they think that blacks cause the most trouble on the streets and on the buses, that blacks commit more theft and violent crimes, that blacks don’t study and try hard in school but rather disrupt the classroom and interfere with everyone’s education, that blacks receive a disproportionate share of welfare and affirmative action benefits, and that blacks are more racist against Chinese than whites are.

What do you say to someone who thinks all this?


9 posted on 02/23/2012 11:21:15 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

So they have a negative opinion on folks that have a culture that is generally degenerate and unacceptable to the majority of the civilized world?
How racist of them!


10 posted on 02/23/2012 11:23:21 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: heartwood

The Chinese —the Han—in the 1700’s thought themselves the most civilized people in the world. And maybe they were right. They have now clawed their way back to the top. Quality is as quality does.


11 posted on 02/23/2012 11:23:40 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

[ It takes a lot of education to persuade people to ignore the obvious. That human beings are naturally tribal. ]

Democracy is indeed tribal.. you know Mob Rule by mobsters..
Thats why the US Constitution does NOT have the word democracy or democratic in it anywhere..

Its by design.. democracy is tribal and primitive.. even supercilious..
Amazing that Americans have been brain washed to think democracy is a good thing..

Democracy is tribal governance.. With Chiefs and wanna be Chiefs..
Some call it the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”..
But it is a dictatorship of mobsters.. sometimes with a gaggle of Mobs..


Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx


12 posted on 02/23/2012 11:24:48 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

There is more than one kind of tribe. Madison’s Federalist #10 reminds us that every legislature is composed of interest groups. The tribe of lawyers is the most numerous, and their only interest is in moving the levers of power. They own the courts, and the Courts now drive the legislatures, and give the bureaucrats their heads.


13 posted on 02/23/2012 11:29:40 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: presidio9

The article is right that Chinese don’t think very highly of Blacks, consequently they have contempt for Obama and the fact that the US elected him president.

But the thing is, Obama’s presidency has confirmed to them all their prejudices. He is exactly the weak, ineffective, and bumbling president that they expected him to be based on his skin color.


14 posted on 02/23/2012 11:34:03 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: presidio9

I’ve been around the barn a couple of times, and my observation is that many Americans with an African ancestry are profoundly bigoted and racist. The only group of people with a bigger racist streak are Native Americans.

You’ll never see that in print, though.


15 posted on 02/23/2012 11:40:07 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Truthsearcher
The article is right that Chinese don’t think very highly of Blacks, consequently they have contempt for Obama and the fact that the US elected him president.

I was curious, so I did a little research. In the 2008 election, the Asian vote went 65% for Obama, with 27% voting for McCain. Not sure who the rest voted for. Maybe Jackie Chan. It turns out that 27% of all Asian Americans are of Chinese origin.

I would add a joke about how I'm liking Chinese Americans more and more all the time, but, in my experience, Japan has the more xenophobic ethnicity. My best friend, who is Vietnamese, tried to marry a Japanese girl, but her family wouldnt let him. He was gaijin, you see.

16 posted on 02/23/2012 11:46:08 AM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: redpoll

Here’s hoping that you have had the pleasure of one or two close black friends in your life to disprove the rule for you. Even better if they can’t dance and suck at basketball.


17 posted on 02/23/2012 11:49:01 AM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: RobbyS

My oh my. Such huge overstatement.

They just got busted over here a couple of weeks ago stealing industrial secrets.....

Great imitators.


18 posted on 02/23/2012 11:52:04 AM PST by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: presidio9

Indians are the same. I used to work for a Indian couple. Come to think of it, Africans are the same as well.


19 posted on 02/23/2012 12:00:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: presidio9
Here’s hoping that you have had the pleasure of one or two close black friends in your life to disprove the rule for you.

Logically speaking, why would one or two deliberately selected individuals disprove a general rule concerning a population of millions?

Wouldn't it take hundreds of randomly selected individuals to do that?

20 posted on 02/23/2012 12:04:20 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: RobbyS
Spike is a skilled film-maker. Too bad he is so angry.

You'd be angry too, if 150 years after the Civil War it was still impossible for a black man to escape from a crappy neighborhood like Fort Greene, and grow up to become a world famous director and producer who... Oh wait. Never mind.

I get a kick out of Spike, but how angry can you be, when you can afford to pay $500,000 for a pair of courside season Knicks tickets? Even when they suck because there are no Asian Americans on the team.

My favorite thing about "Do the Right Thing" was Kim Bassinger suggesting during her Oscar speech that racism was behind that movie not winning best picture that year. The winner was "Driving Miss Daisy."

21 posted on 02/23/2012 12:05:39 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9
Robinson and others are right when they call out the dog whistles of disguised racial bitterness by Republican candidates trying slyly to draw the votes of Southern rednecks

Crouch's bigotry about supposed "rednecks" is, of course, okay.

One might also point out that the US is one of the most racially tolerant societies on earth, and that other countries and ethnicities are far more racist against blacks than we are. No just the Chinese, but most other Asians, the Russians, most Europeans, and especially Arabs, all look down on blacks and consider them inferior in many ways. Crouch and Robinson are both parochial to think otherwise.

22 posted on 02/23/2012 12:08:58 PM PST by Argus
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You should notice I’ve written “many,” not “all.” And I live in a village where most of the people are Native, too. I’ve just expressed my experience with these sorts of things. People here are comfortable enough with me in the room to let all sorts of opinions be spoken that would curdle milk. I would hazard a guess that my experiences are influenced by the fact that most of my adult life has been spent in the media and academia, where liberal intolerance is normative in many settings.

My observation is that American culture gives a pass to racism from some people while accusing others of the same thing even in its absence. Imagine the racism from Rev. Wright and think about a similar preacher expressing the same attitudes about African-Americans. Or Whoppi Goldberg. Or any number of rappers. And, yes, people are people, and groups aren’t individuals; there is Alan West and Thomas Sowell, too.

The good news in my multiracial classroom is that practically all of my students from all background actually live by the philosophy of treating people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. For example, every kid was disgusted when they were shown a letter from the state of Alaska restricting a scholarship to Native kids. Their immediate reaction was that affirmative action like that was racist. Many of the kids like their ancestry, but it’s not a reason to segregate themselves. Now that might be just an artifact of Alaskan culture, but it’s what I see.

My last observation is that the bigots of color I’ve met are also the old dinosaurs of the left. The world will a better place when we see their final column in the obit section.

Hope that clarifies things from up here at the treeline.


23 posted on 02/23/2012 12:09:03 PM PST by redpoll
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To: rogue yam

I amazed Chinese Americans haven’t been brainwashed to the degree other Americans have if what you say is true.


24 posted on 02/23/2012 12:11:12 PM PST by Crucial
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To: rogue yam
Logically speaking, why would one or two deliberately selected individuals disprove a general rule concerning a population of millions?

Assuming you had those black friends, you'd get to know their friends and realize that a lot of what you were feeling was based on misunderstanding. You don't behave the same way with people you know as you do with strangers, and neither do black people. FWIW, black people tend to reserve their higest level of bigotry and mistrust for members of their own race.

25 posted on 02/23/2012 12:11:12 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: redpoll
I forgot that you were from Alaska. Tell you what: I'll avoid making broad generalizations about Eskimos if you do the same with African Americans. You can quantify your point with the word "many" if you like. If you feel the need to share it with the world, it still comes across as your basic opinion on black people in general.

That being said, I agree that older black people tend to be more suspicious of race. Unfortunately, since they lived through segregation they get a pass.

26 posted on 02/23/2012 12:16:17 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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My daughter has travelled to China on business, numerous times, to a part of China that most visitors don’t get to see.

On one of her trips, she was taken to another city that she had not been to before. What she saw there, shocked and puzzled her. The city was teeming with Black people. The Chinese man, who she was working with, said that the residents of the city were fed up with the Blacks that had been brought into their city because they didn’t work and they committed a lot of crime, which was virtually non-existent in their city before the Blacks came.

My daughter, said to the man, “Where did they come from? The Chinese man shrugged and said, “Africa.” My daughter said that she knew that they were African, but where in Africa did they come from and why are they here. The Chinese man said that no one knew.


27 posted on 02/23/2012 12:18:54 PM PST by Eva
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To: RobbyS

“Spike is a skilled film-maker.”

So was Leni Riefenstahl.


28 posted on 02/23/2012 12:20:34 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: presidio9
Unfortunately, since they lived through segregation they get a pass.

No. No one gets a pass. If they hold me to a standard, they should be held to the same standard. No exceptions. I don't care what has happened to them.

29 posted on 02/23/2012 12:24:13 PM PST by thesharkboy (poet, know it.)
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>>>I forgot that you were from Alaska. Tell you what: I’ll avoid making broad generalizations about Eskimos if you do the same with African Americans. You can quantify your point with the word “many” if you like. If you feel the need to share it with the world, it still comes across as your basic opinion on black people in general. That being said, I agree that older black people tend to be more suspicious of race. Unfortunately, since they lived through segregation they get a pass.<<<<

Fair enough, especially with the point about segregation. Be well wherever you are.


30 posted on 02/23/2012 12:28:48 PM PST by redpoll
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...realize that a lot of what you were feeling was based on misunderstanding.

You know this how?

31 posted on 02/23/2012 1:00:07 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: presidio9
In my neck of the woods, its no secret that the chinese and indians dont like or respect the blacks too much at all.
I've heard things that've made me blush and say wow. . .
32 posted on 02/23/2012 1:21:55 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona)
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To: heartwood

My youngest brother and his wife took a trip to China last year. They’ve traveled extensively, and they said the Chinese were absolutely the rudest people they’ve ever met. They also said China, beyond the confines of the tourist routes, is exceptionally dirty. My brother’s wife, who is black, was standing in line in some food place waiting to make an order when a Chinese women walked in and literally pushed her out of the way to get ahead of her. There were other incidents like that, and they were happy to leave the country. They then went on to Japan and had nothing but glowing things to say about that country and the people. I guess nobodys perfect. I’m sure there are plenty of polite Chinese nationals, but after my brother and wife’s experience, my wife and I do not plan on visiting China anytime soon.


33 posted on 02/23/2012 3:20:23 PM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

>>They then went on to Japan and had nothing but glowing things to say about that country and the people. I guess nobodys perfect. I’m sure there are plenty of polite Chinese nationals, but after my brother and wife’s experience, my wife and I do not plan on visiting China anytime soon.

The Japanese are racist against blacks too, they just have sense to keep their mouths shut.


34 posted on 02/23/2012 3:51:11 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: presidio9

>>My best friend, who is Vietnamese, tried to marry a Japanese girl, but her family wouldnt let him. He was gaijin, you see.

More like he was a wuss. All it takes is a two witness’ signatures at a local ward office. I’m married to a Japanese women myself, and her parents were Buddhist statue carvers, lol. But I love ‘em.


35 posted on 02/23/2012 3:53:48 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: RobbyS

You miss the point... a tribe is a Mob.. and the leaders are mobsters..


36 posted on 02/23/2012 5:30:18 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

Well, tribes often form mobs, but a tribe is basically a kinship group. Lawyers even have their own language, one hard for outsiders to understand. All these code words, you know.


37 posted on 02/23/2012 6:02:25 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: struggle

The Japanese tend to be very conscious of small differences. People of Korean descent who came to Japan a hundred years ago are generally not welcome.


38 posted on 02/23/2012 6:05:32 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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>>The Japanese tend to be very conscious of small differences. People of Korean descent who came to Japan a hundred years ago are generally not welcome.

From what I’ve seen...the whole zainichi racism think isn’t that big in Japan anymore.


39 posted on 02/23/2012 6:46:05 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: struggle

Wait..! You haven’t ever been taken to the Koban..?!

I’ve been taken there like THREE TIMES...! ahhahaha...!

But I’m serious, yeah. But there is the really funny part —being able to speak Japanese made them MORE suspicious of me..!!

“Ah. OVERSTAYER, huh...?!” hahahaha!! Yep.


40 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:34 PM PST by gaijin
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To: redpoll

The only group of people with a bigger racist streak are Native Americans.

___________________

Do the Feather-Indians have any particular racial group it doesnt like, or is it anyone who is not F-I?


41 posted on 02/23/2012 7:51:26 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: presidio9

He was gaijin, you see.
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The Japanese feel above anyone who is non-Japanese. I run into that attitude occasionally when we travel.


42 posted on 02/23/2012 7:53:36 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: gaijin

But I’m serious, yeah. But there is the really funny part —being able to speak Japanese made them MORE suspicious of me..!!

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A friend of mine who was particularly facile with languages worked for a company in the eighties that had Japanese investors. They brought their own engineers. My friend taught himself Japanese quickly, and just listened. No one in the company knew that he understood the converations and asides the Japanese spoke. He became particularly good at anticpating the concerns of the new investors. LOL


43 posted on 02/23/2012 8:02:46 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: rogue yam
You know this how?

"Misunderstanding" on both sides, dummy. We're all made in the same Big Guy's image.

44 posted on 02/23/2012 9:49:44 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: driftless2

There are 130mm practicing Christians in China. That’s more than we have here in the good-old God-fearing USA. Do with that information as you wish. Just thought you should know.


45 posted on 02/23/2012 9:53:28 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Chickensoup
The Japanese feel above anyone who is non-Japanese. I run into that attitude occasionally when we travel.

The tradional usage of the term "gaijin" is a cross between "barbarian" and "not human."

46 posted on 02/23/2012 9:55:38 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: struggle

Good.


47 posted on 02/24/2012 12:58:14 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: presidio9

A paradox is it not. That oppression can create faith while freedom oppresses it. I’ll turn that around. People who are oppressed need real freedom, not just the freedom of doing what they feel like doing.


48 posted on 02/24/2012 1:00:54 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: presidio9
"Christians"

Good for the Christians, but what does that have to do with my comments about the rudeness towards tourists shown by the average Chinese? By no means do I hate the Chinese. In fact, one of my favorite college profs came from Hong Kong. I'm sure he 's more typical of the average Chinese, but the fact remains the Chinese people as a whole have to treat their tourists better. I'm not the first person to make that statement, you can find similar comments about Chinese incivility towards foreigners on many tourist forums. I was shocked when my bro and his wife related the stories about the rudeness of the Chinese. Hopefully, as more tourists enter China and more Chinese tour other countries, things will change for the better.

49 posted on 02/24/2012 5:58:06 AM PST by driftless2
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To: presidio9

“barbarian” and “not human.”

______________________________

Most tribes feel that way about the “other.”

Perhaps it would be the pinnicle of sophistication not to?


50 posted on 02/24/2012 7:01:59 AM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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