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Double Standard in Teacher Sex Crimes
Fox-26 Houston ^ | February 24, 2012 | Sally McDonald

Posted on 02/25/2012 6:56:01 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

HOUSTON - A fired Spring Branch ISD teacher accused of having sex with a student is out of jail but must wear an ankle monitoring bracelet.

The judge also ordered Kathryn Camille Murray, 28, to stay away from the alleged victim.

According to court documents, a faculty member told administrators at Memorial Middle School that Murray was having an inappropriate relationship with a 15-year-old male student.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxhouston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: education; houston; naughtyteacher; teachers
"Local sex therapist said..." Dr. Phil could not be reached for comment?
1 posted on 02/25/2012 6:56:05 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

Poor Sally’s gonna be writing for some blog if she keeps up tilting at the sacred windmills.


2 posted on 02/25/2012 7:02:18 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: ConservativeStatement

Based on video evidence? GUILTY.


3 posted on 02/25/2012 7:04:21 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The man faces 20 years and the woman gets an ankle bracelet.

Does anyone really think women want equality?

This is happening over and over and no one condones it, but sentences should be handed out and equal.

The girls who flaunt themselves in front of the teachers are considered to be violated, while the boys are looked upon as lucky.

In todays morality Girls are just as open about sex as boys, why should they be considered violated when they probably started the whole thing themselves.In neither of these cases is consent a problem. They consented. The punishment for the adult should be the same.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 7:15:19 AM PST by Venturer
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To: ConservativeStatement

If this had been a priest.... Male priest, of course. Given there are 3 million teachers in the USA, and that this sort of thing is not uncommon—and I speak as a former local rep of a teacher’s union—just do the arithmetic. One difference is that once upon a time the teacher would simply have resigned and disappeared, while her file got purged, with the understanding that if she applied for work elsewhere that they would say only that she had worked there. That was the working model. Of course, there were many false charges made, and by and large the DA didn’t want to waste time and money on such matters. But now we have a war on pedophiles —except in places like SF where the crime is common practice.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 7:16:55 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I am mad as hell.
Where were teachers like this when I was in school?
My female teachers were so ugly they stopped clocks from working.
If a good looking teacher had approached me for sex, I would have said yes so fast. . . . . . . . . . .
6 posted on 02/25/2012 7:17:46 AM PST by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: ConservativeStatement
tracking monitors for the Not Guilty now?

7 posted on 02/25/2012 7:18:21 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Prayer has no place in the public schools, just like facts have no place in religion -Sup. Chalmers)
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To: the invisib1e hand

This is Sally, the reporter. This is NOT the perp.

8 posted on 02/25/2012 7:24:21 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

That article was horribly written. It sounds like it’s going to compare the reaction to this crime with the reaction to one involving a male teacher, but then it only discusses this one. It also primarily focuses on the reaction of the students, with only a quick mention of the reaction of one parent, and no mention of the treatment in the courts, which is the real issue.


9 posted on 02/25/2012 7:26:37 AM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Voter#537
If a good looking teacher had approached me for sex, I would have said yes so fast. . . .

Me too ... I'm soooo easy. ;)

10 posted on 02/25/2012 7:28:27 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Oztrich Boy

What a stupid woman. She ruined her life and profession for an adolescent. I’m just glad she won’t be in a classroom teaching anymore. Like most people, I doubt that the boy will be scarred for life and feel ‘violated’.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 7:28:56 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode. It seems like your wildest fantasy come true, but then again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6_pv_vRHKI


12 posted on 02/25/2012 7:38:22 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ConservativeStatement
If at 15 she had molested me I would have considered it fulfilling my wildest fantasy.

I have also taught 8th grade girls (14 yo). I can say they are a different breed than the girls I was in the 8th grade with. Probably half of them are sexually active and all of them know the effect they have on men. A large percentage of them were so well developed that with fake ID no one would doubt they were 18. I don't condone teachers that succumb but in many cases the girl is the aggressor. It's still statutory rape no matter how hot she is or how much she wants it.

13 posted on 02/25/2012 7:38:43 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Oztrich Boy

NOT GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


14 posted on 02/25/2012 7:40:10 AM PST by DirtyPigpen
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To: Venturer

how many 15 year old males wish they were molested like this
the world has gone insane
a crime??
heck this was a gift


15 posted on 02/25/2012 7:43:07 AM PST by genghis
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To: ConservativeStatement
its fun to read a story like this and see the simplistic minds of various fellow commenters
16 posted on 02/25/2012 7:51:11 AM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: Voter#537

My teachers never came on to me either,which was fortunate for me because all of them were men.


17 posted on 02/25/2012 7:56:53 AM PST by Clint Lippo
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To: Venturer

Maybe, but I do not think those 15 year old boys can get pregnant.


18 posted on 02/25/2012 8:00:08 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Oh my gosh, the verdict is NOT GUILTY.


19 posted on 02/25/2012 8:00:30 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: Voter#537

There’s something wrong with a woman who approaches young teens for sex instead of adults her own age.

Would you really have wanted a sexual predator like that to have gotten ahold of you at that age?


20 posted on 02/25/2012 8:17:17 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

C’mon, fess up, you’re not a guy are you?

If you were you’d know that you would have gladly clubbed your best friend to be first in the sack with her.

Of course if you are a guy there’s one other possibility.....


21 posted on 02/25/2012 8:30:26 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: DirtyPigpen

NOT GUILTY, FRAMED AND ABUSED !


22 posted on 02/25/2012 8:41:06 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Hell, if she’d “molested” me when I was 15, I’d have given her an ankle bracelet myself, as long as I could have put it on her!


23 posted on 02/25/2012 8:55:57 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Oztrich Boy

She needs a good spanking. Send her around to my place.


24 posted on 02/25/2012 9:38:32 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

The found her because all the neighborhood bumpers had been de-chromed.


25 posted on 02/25/2012 9:42:22 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Where were these lady teachers when I was in high school? It amazes me how these young guys complain. Just sayin’...


26 posted on 02/25/2012 9:53:38 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: MtBaldy
If at 15 she had molested me I would have considered it fulfilling my wildest fantasy.

I have also taught 8th grade girls (14 yo). I can say they are a different breed than the girls I was in the 8th grade with. Probably half of them are sexually active and all of them know the effect they have on men. A large percentage of them were so well developed that with fake ID no one would doubt they were 18. I don't condone teachers that succumb but in many cases the girl is the aggressor. It's still statutory rape no matter how hot she is or how much she wants it.


Given that, why? Who is being protected from what? The only theory you can fall back on is that it protects the father of the girl, as his property, and even then you'd have to hold every 14-year-old boy she opens her legs for to the same criminal penalty. (8th grade is about 13 to 14 years old)

If she (a 14-year-old) can legally "consent" to a 14-year-old boy, then you really don't have a capacity argument to make, do you? The best girls are still available to every 14-year-old precocious predator. The "good" boys still get leftovers and sloppy seconds. The argument could be made that if adult women were available to those dilinquents, it might protect some of their innocent classmates.
27 posted on 02/25/2012 10:06:45 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Clint Lippo
My teachers never came on to me either,which was fortunate for me because all of them were men.

Predators are and always have been the exception and the boogey man of people's imaginations. Stricter laws have only reduced a small percentage somewhat further. Most cases are and always have been initiated sexually by the younger or less powerful person as a route to favors, money and other benefits. Needless to say these are only reported by third parties or if the transaction (I use that word rather than "relationship") goes sour.
28 posted on 02/25/2012 10:22:04 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The only theory you can fall back on is that it protects the father of the girl, as his property...

That is one of those Great Truths you are not supposed to utter in conservative company. :)

Our criminal justice system has much more important things to worry about, but indicting banksters and politicians is a whole lot more difficult.

29 posted on 02/25/2012 10:33:52 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: org.whodat
Maybe, but I do not think those 15 year old boys can get pregnant.

No, they just can find themselves in their 20's suddenly being hit with a lawsuit for 18 years of back child support.

30 posted on 02/25/2012 10:40:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625
Cannot sue a minor, they have no contract obligation?? Until they are adults.
31 posted on 02/25/2012 10:44:41 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: FormerLib

“Would you really have wanted a sexual predator like that to have gotten ahold of you at that age?”

Is this a trick question?

Only if she turned me on to tieing her up while covered with chocolate sauce and sprinkles.


32 posted on 02/25/2012 10:53:47 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: genghis

Then lets call it a gift for both sex’s.


33 posted on 02/25/2012 11:05:03 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Right Wing Assault

Not guilty.


34 posted on 02/25/2012 11:29:29 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: FormerLib
"Would you really have wanted a sexual predator like that to have gotten ahold of you at that age?"

Mama Mama Mama. . . .
I'd have been in hog heaven. . . . .
UH the answer is YES! HELL YES! ! ! !

35 posted on 02/25/2012 11:38:30 AM PST by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: ConservativeStatement

We don’t have a “double standard” on this site, at least.

If it’s a male adult - GUILTY, regardless. If it’s a female adult, then guilty of it’s a female student. If it’s a male student, then a guilty/non-guilty judgment is made, based on the ‘quality’ of the teacher. While it is true that there is some subjectivity in our work, there certainly is no double standard.


36 posted on 02/25/2012 12:17:58 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“tracking monitors for the Not Guilty now? “

Agree, from the picture it certainly looks like she’s being railroaded by an overly aggressive prosecutor.


37 posted on 02/25/2012 12:20:26 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: demkicker

You would not be correct about boys doing well with sexual involvement with adults. Most people don’t think it is alright for adults to hit on boys for sex (homo or hetero).

The teacher had problems controling her sexual compulsions; she was not sacrificing her life for a relationship with a kid. It is rare that the pervert wants a love relationship with the child; they want sex with the child. They have the advantage of being an authority figure and being much more cagey than the target. Being dominant all adds to their thrill.


38 posted on 02/25/2012 12:30:29 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: ConservativeStatement

That is my old school district.


39 posted on 02/25/2012 2:01:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FormerLib
Yes.
40 posted on 02/25/2012 3:53:04 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: org.whodat
Cannot sue a minor, they have no contract obligation?? Until they are adults.

That is why I said "in their twenties".

Looking up the law, under the Welfare Reform Act, the minor-father's parents (ie, paternal grandparents of the baby) could be sued for child support until the father turns 18. The father would then become liable, and all the government mechanisms for extracting child support would come into play (remember, if a boy fathers a child at 15, at 18 the child is now three, and the boy still has 15 years of child support to look forward to).

If the father at 18 was unable to pay, then the assessed child support bill would accumulate with interest until such point as he had an income. If the court decides the father is willfully making himself unable to pay by not working, then the court could put him in jail.

41 posted on 02/25/2012 4:14:17 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I didn’t say I agree with it, I said it’s the law. Other countries have age of consents down as low as 12 though that’s changing. I do know they are still developing mentally and physically at that age. Some of them at 14, boys and girls, were very mature. Others not so much. Personally I think young teenagers should be discouraged from screwing anyone whether close to their age or not. I don’t know that I’d go so far as to make it illegal for them to screw others their age.


42 posted on 02/25/2012 11:18:07 PM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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