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Orthodox Church hails Putinís approach to military issues
http://rt.com/politics/orthodox-church-military-chaplin-841/ ^

Posted on 02/26/2012 2:45:52 PM PST by kronos77

The Russian Orthodox Church says it fully supports Vladimir Putin’s initiatives on military reform and also rejects the allegations that the church is an intrinsically pacifist organization.

Vsevolod Chaplin, a high-placed cleric in the Russian Orthodox Church, told the press that the church was very happy that Prime Minister and presidential candidate Vladimir Putin intended to solve the problems of the Russian military, as stated in Putin’s recent article in the Rossiiskaya Gazeta daily.

“I fully agree with the statement that the military force must again acquire the traditional role of the most important social elevator,” the Interfax news agency quoted Chaplin as saying.

The top cleric explained that he highly valued Putin’s ideas on monetary allowance to the military and military pensions and about the plans to fully solve the housing problems of military servicemen in 2012-2013.

Chaplin also stated that it would be a mistake to consider the Russian Orthodox Church, or any Christian confession, a pacifist organization.

“Despite of the fact that some people attempt to present Christianity and pacifism as equal philosophies in some paradox way, in reality the military class has always been in the center of political life and on top of the social pyramid in Christian countries,” he said.

The cleric also highly valued the part of the article where Putin suggested more attention be paid to military and patriotic training in schools and, being a Church representative, expressed the readiness to take part in this process.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: christianity; church; military; neosoviets; orthodoxy; russia; sourcetitlenoturl; syria

1 posted on 02/26/2012 2:46:00 PM PST by kronos77
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To: kronos77

The Russian Orthodox Church has historically been filled and controlled by KGB agents. It doesn’t matter what they think. They think it on behalf of the Kremlin.


2 posted on 02/26/2012 2:52:46 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

No, ROC was always supportive to the military since ever.


3 posted on 02/26/2012 2:59:55 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Apollo5600

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/orthodoxchurch.pdf


4 posted on 02/26/2012 3:13:14 PM PST by U-238
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To: Apollo5600

Alternatively, if there is a cleric in the Russian Orthodox Church who does not support Putin, you sure as heck won’t hear about it on rt.com.


5 posted on 02/26/2012 4:08:38 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Ad Orientam; antonius; aposiopetic; arielguard; blinachka; bob808; branicap; Calabash; ...
Orthodox Ping!

Keep a Good Lent!

O heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of Truth
who are in all places and fillest all things:
Treasury of good things and Giver of life:
Come and dwell in us and cleanse us from every stain,
and save our souls, O good One.

6 posted on 02/26/2012 7:40:53 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Apollo5600

Wrong. The ROC always supported the state before Communism.
The Tsar was considered the secular AND spiritual leader of the Empire. They are simply doing what was always done.


7 posted on 02/27/2012 3:55:52 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

There was nothing wrong with what I wrote. The ROC was and is infiltrated with Russian government agents. If they’ve always been under control of the state, I didn’t deny that.


8 posted on 02/27/2012 11:33:29 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

You are totally right. They should call it the KGB orthodox church. That’s why they support the mass murderer KGB Putin even though he invaded unprovoked another Orthodox Christian nation, Georgia, and waged a genocidal campaign of ethnic cleansing against them just to punish them for being America’s friend. Putin dropped cluster bombs on innocent Christian women and children in Georgia. He deserves to die painfully like his good comrade Kadaffy did.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 6:11:01 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Apollo5600

I have to disagree. The Russian Orthodox Church WAS infiltrated with KGB at one time. I don’t believe that to be the case now. And the ROCOR obviously agrees, as we are now again under Moscow.


10 posted on 03/02/2012 1:27:12 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

“I have to disagree. The Russian Orthodox Church WAS infiltrated with KGB at one time. I don’t believe that to be the case now. And the ROCOR obviously agrees, as we are now again under Moscow.”

Review the link Spirit of Truth posted. The patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church is presented as a previous agent of the KGB.

Read this one too: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35388

These former KGB members have not been purged, and are, in fact, still running the Russian Orthodox Church.


11 posted on 03/02/2012 1:52:31 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

With all due respect, this sounds like propaganda. My priest PERSONALLY heard Patriarch Kirill dress down Putin. This situation is not exactly the same as it was under communism. The Russians are simply patriotic and love their homeland. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because the clergy expresses that sentiment doesn’t make them agents. I don’t understand why we Americans, who believe in patriotism, can’t understand it when others are the same way. You wannaworry, better watch China...THEY are a threat!


12 posted on 03/02/2012 2:58:04 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

“With all due respect, this sounds like propaganda. My priest PERSONALLY heard Patriarch Kirill dress down Putin. This situation is not exactly the same as it was under communism. The Russians are simply patriotic and love their homeland. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because the clergy expresses that sentiment doesn’t make them agents. I don’t understand why we Americans, who believe in patriotism, can’t understand it when others are the same way. You wannaworry, better watch China...THEY are a threat!”

Russia and China are the threats. They share the same strategic goals and work hand in hand to further those goals. One of those goals right now is to give Iran the technology and the political cover to get nuclear weapons with which to drive us out of the middle east and isolate Israel, perhaps even destroy Israel entirely or involve us in a distructive war that will probably involve WMD being used on our homeland.

Russia is the country, and always has been, where dissidents get beaten to death in dark alleys and journalists conveniently step out of their windows. There is no patriotism in Russia. It is nationalism being promoted by the FSB and Kremlin controlled media, which right now is telling its people that the U.S. is responsible for using “active” measures (CIA, IOW) to cause Putin to lose the Presidential race... when, in reality, he’s stealing it, just like they always steal the race.

There is no democracy in Russia. There is no patriotism in Russia. There is no free press in Russia, outside of the blogosphere and a few brave people willing to stand up.

The Russian Orthodox Church is not exempt. It was infiltrated during the KGB days, and the KGB and “former” communists were never purged or made to hang for their crimes. The communists turned capitalists make up the majority of government positions within the corrupt Russkie government.


13 posted on 03/02/2012 3:08:55 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

OK. Are you Russian? Do you have family that are Russians? Do you even KNOW a Russian? I DO. My information is just a little bit more reliable. Russia has neither the money, OR the desire to fight us in a war. The Baltic fleet is RUSTING at anchor. I am a fifth generation American on one side of my family, and I have been to Russia more than once. You will never meet a kinder less materialistic people. And you are dead wrong when you say they don’t love their homeland.


14 posted on 03/04/2012 6:05:47 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

“Russia has neither the money, OR the desire to fight us in a war.”


That’s not stopping them from modernizing their nukes, reinforcing and building underground bunkers, providing civil defense training which is far more advanced than our own, wargaming a nuclear attack on Poland, invading Georgia, aiding and abetting Iran and our other enemies, killing journalists, beating dissidents to death or ruining their lives, and interfering in the internal politics of their neighbors using the FSB or other methods.


“OK. Are you Russian? Do you have family that are Russians? Do you even KNOW a Russian?

No, no, yes. In fact, a few of them agree with me.


15 posted on 03/04/2012 11:40:26 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

I don’t doubt most of what you say, again, having a strong military or civil defense isn’t aggressive. As for Georgia, they got what they deserved. they provoked Russia. Intentionally. That is just plain STUPID.

Our enemies are in the middle east and far east. NOT Russia


16 posted on 03/07/2012 5:11:03 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

“I don’t doubt most of what you say, again, having a strong military or civil defense isn’t aggressive. As for Georgia, they got what they deserved. they provoked Russia. Intentionally. That is just plain STUPID.

Our enemies are in the middle east and far east. NOT Russia”


You’ve gone off the deep end with this one. It’s time you reevaluated your beliefs. Georgia is a democracy. They were provoked by S.O. separatists (Russian agents posing as separatists) shooting rockets at Georgian villages. The Russians had already moved their forces into position under the cover of a military exercise, carefully timed with the Olympics and with the activities of the FSB in South Ossetia. When the Georgians took the bait, the Russians invaded according to the plan they had already drawn up to crush them for the sole purpose of gaining the oil pipeline that crosses Georgia.

Georgia is a free country, an ally of the West, and were victimized by Russian aggression. I saw photos of civilians cut in half, with half their heads removed or other gruesome sights as a result of Russian shooting. Russian soldiers posted videos of themselves burning the U.S. flag saying ‘You are next!’. I don’t think you should be taking up the Russkie’s propaganda line.


17 posted on 03/07/2012 4:23:05 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

That isn’t the story that I heard. The President of Georgia moved troops into the disputed area, and he provoked an already tense situation.

With all due respect, I think we will have to agree to disagree!


18 posted on 03/11/2012 1:53:59 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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