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Why Doctors Die Differently
Wall Street Journal ^ | 2/25/12 | KEN MURRAY

Posted on 02/27/2012 8:01:31 AM PST by rhema

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To: I cannot think of a name

Same with me. They ever told me I had PC, I would do exactly what this doc did. Go home and wait for the end. I don’t think there is anyone on this planet who has ever survived PC, you get diagnosed with that, they can prolong your life but at what cost? I look at someone like Patrick Swayze who I believe prolonged it by a year, yet near the end the guy weighed about 90 pounds and you can imagine the hell he went through. What amazes me is how many people get this thing, it’s as common as table salt it seems.

21 posted on 02/27/2012 8:38:55 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (How ironic that Ann Coulter should write a book called Treason.)
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To: rhema

It’s a tough call. I worked with two men. One was young with a young family. The other man was in his late ‘60s.
They were both diagnosed with colon cancer. The disease followed the same course in both.
Understandably, the young man when all out for chemo, etc.
The older man opted for comfort and no chemo.
They died within weeks of each other.
On the other hand, a friend had a malignant tumor in his heart. Chemo and radiation destroyed the tumor, and he fully recovered, but what a long gruesome trial!!!
My own mother lived with untreated colon cancer for more than 10 years. She lived to 82.
Educating ourselves to make informed decisions is essential.

22 posted on 02/27/2012 8:39:24 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: Yehuda

It’s accurate. A few broken ribs was a small price to pay for an additional three years with my dad.

23 posted on 02/27/2012 8:43:10 AM PST by null and void (Day 1133 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: JDW11235
it's not about broken ribs. It's about presenting the common results of CPR as some how preferable to death. What are you talking about?
24 posted on 02/27/2012 8:44:19 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: rhema
My father had a living will that directed me to "preserve life at all costs". Which came with the caveat "but I don't want to be a vegetable". Which I nodded sagely and said I understood.

And which I found out later, at his deathbed, that I had no idea what that meant.

After 15 days on a respirator they told me they had to take him off, or he would be stuck on a respirator until he died; and the doctor said he probably wouldn't survive if they took him off. I had to have a talk with him and give him the news.

Now understand, he'd been unable to communicate verbally the whole time he'd been hospitalized, and we were communicating by me talking, him blinking and squeezing my hand. And at the end, he made the decision, to the extent he had one.

A word of advice - talk this sort of thing out with your kids before the need arises. I guarantee, they need more clear advice than a quip about not being a vegetable.

25 posted on 02/27/2012 8:44:51 AM PST by Kenton
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

There is an upside but several downsides for doctors with this.

Doctors get a bum wrap. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t.
I’m old. As I watch family members die, every Doc has been very compassionate and done his best to follow the families wishes.
If the patient and family want life and treatment no matter what, the doc will do that.
If the patient and family are given all the information and decide for comfort care that’s what the doc will do.
I will never forget the Doc that explained my father-in-law’s extensive cancer. He was able to communicate really bad news so gently!!!
Doctors are people. They have families. They take their patients home with them in their thoughts and prayers. They are deeply touched by human suffering. Not once in awhile, but daily.

26 posted on 02/27/2012 8:50:40 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: rhema

From the FWIW Department, my doctor, a woman in her late thirties, just quit and is moving to Costa Rica to practice medicine.

27 posted on 02/27/2012 8:56:12 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Yehuda

Yes. I am a ER/ICU nurse.

CPR, when done properly, WILL break ribs and < 7% of people that have CPR done survive to leave the hospital.

Those are stone-cold facts. The reality of CPR/coding is NOT anything like you see on TV.

Coding someone is an ugly, brutal business; and the patient rarely survives.

28 posted on 02/27/2012 9:00:12 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: WestwardHo

Nicely done. I agree with you.

29 posted on 02/27/2012 9:04:27 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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Oh, ok, my mistake. My response, was to your response at post#5, where the poster asked for more information about CPR resulting in broken ribs. I must have misunderstood your response (or maybe you hit the reply button, not necessarilly replying to the comment at that post). I thought you were saying that it was untrue and sensationalist that someone mentioned that CPR breaks ribs. My mistake, I apologize if that’s not what you meant.

30 posted on 02/27/2012 9:08:07 AM PST by JDW11235 (
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To: Yehuda
yes ribs can be broken when CPR is performed.. done so on at least to occasions that i know of
31 posted on 02/27/2012 9:08:35 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Yehuda

This is absolutely true, if you do CPR correctly, you are going to crack and break ribs, to apply enough pressure to stimulate the heart, you have to. What they also don’t tell you about CPR is that your odds of actually restarting someones heart with it is only about 1-2%. Its a hail mary at best.

32 posted on 02/27/2012 9:11:33 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: markman46

Its not a CAN be broken, it is a WILL BE CRACKED, period. If you do CPR correctly you are going to crack ribs, period. There is no IF involved.

To apply enough pressure to actually cause the hear to compress you are going to crack ribs to do it, there is no CAN involved, this is an absolute WILL.

If you don’t crack the ribs, you aren’t putting enough pressure to stimulate the heart, period. Also, your odds of restarting a hear twith CPR even when performed 100% correctly is only about 1-2%.

33 posted on 02/27/2012 9:14:00 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: N. Theknow

That’s probably very lucrative for her. I’ve lived there (and have family who do), and there’s a bustling private system that picks up the people who fall through the cracks of the socialized medicine racket. They have a slightly higher life expectancy than we do, and I suspect better overall general heath (70% of them are not overweight). Probably not a bad deal for her. If she could have done it a few years ago, she’d probably have been able leverage her dollars better, but I’m sure either way she’s probably doing quite well.

34 posted on 02/27/2012 9:16:05 AM PST by JDW11235 (
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To: Jack Hydrazine
IIRC, the average doctor dies at 48.

Can you post a link to this incredulous information.

35 posted on 02/27/2012 9:23:11 AM PST by trailhkr1
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To: WestwardHo

I liked your answer the best... thanks.

36 posted on 02/27/2012 9:30:28 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: pgkdan

My beloved girlfriend was on at-home Perineal dialysis with a cycler for two years. She had other cards stacked against her and at the end was morphined to death while unconscious, but we travelledand had as good a life as could be.
I wouldn’t trade those years for anything. She was the Best. Girl. Ever. She saw it her duty to fight for her life as long as possible. Too bad the hospital didn’t.

37 posted on 02/27/2012 9:31:35 AM PST by steve8714 (Yoda's speech to Luke; copied from Jack Webb in "The D.I.")
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To: freeangel

Wow. Does she also have AAS (Aging Atheist Syndrome)?

38 posted on 02/27/2012 9:38:17 AM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: HamiltonJay
I have cracked ribs on at least two occasions that I know of, only a couple of people survived one I was alone with when their heart stopped did a quick fist to the chest and then did CPR. the man lived. true most do not.
39 posted on 02/27/2012 9:44:51 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: rhema
Old article....I've read it before.

That said, I work in the health care field..and I totally agree. I've seen enough....

40 posted on 02/27/2012 9:48:58 AM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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