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Santorum's emphasis on his Christianity is not good for democracy
The Baltimore Sun ^ | February 27, 2012 | Faheem Younus

Posted on 02/27/2012 4:33:07 PM PST by presidio9

Watching Rick Santorum rise in the polls by positioning himself as the real Christian presidential candidate is like watching the sequel of a horror movie — one I literally lived through in the 1980s while growing up in Pakistan. There, another religious zealot, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, played the lead role of the real Muslim.

The plot went like this: The clerics called for candidates with "true" Muslim values, the masses demanded a "Muslim candidate for a Muslim state," the leaders proved their "Muslimness" by quoting scripture and calling others lesser Muslims, and the candidate who was able to appease the clergy privately and please the masses publicly held on to power. The never-ending horror in the name of religion is what followed in Pakistan.

A somewhat similar fusion of church and candidate is apparent in this Republican primary season, where nearly every Republican candidate — except Ron Paul, who would not and Mitt Romney, who could not — has been a rabble-rouser, playing the religion card to rally the conservative Christian base.

Since I have seen a secular country morphing into a theocracy at the hands of a religious fanatic, trust me when I tell you: The aggressive display of theology in our political discourse by the Republican Party in general and Rick Santorum in particular is chipping away at the Jeffersonian wall of separation between church and state.

Realize, though, that I do want to hear what my candidates believe in — what shapes them, what riles them, what motivates them. But that is different than saying, "At the end of the day, I'd rather have a president who worships the same God as I do." (A voter in South Carolina actually said that to a New York Times reporter.)

While Article Six of the United States Constitution provides

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1 posted on 02/27/2012 4:33:13 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I think Alexis de Toqueville would disagree.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 4:36:43 PM PST by guinnessman
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To: presidio9
The writer's blog: http://www.muslimerican.com/

Have a barf bag nearby.

3 posted on 02/27/2012 4:36:49 PM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: presidio9

So the left is providing a religious litmus test for presidential candidates?


4 posted on 02/27/2012 4:37:22 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: presidio9

The Calvert and Center Street Democratic Club is really reaching this time!


5 posted on 02/27/2012 4:37:41 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: presidio9

Oh, yeah, Santorum’s Americanized version of Catholicism is the very same thing as radical Islam in Pakistan. Honor killings and all. Better go back home before it’s too late.


6 posted on 02/27/2012 4:37:59 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: presidio9
It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.

-George Washington. (but who ya gonna believe? An old dead white guy or some clown named Fareem)
7 posted on 02/27/2012 4:39:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: presidio9

Looks like this jackass is a muzzie. This is a Republic.


8 posted on 02/27/2012 4:39:36 PM PST by dforest
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To: presidio9

There is no comparison. Santorum isn’t calling for any theocracy, although he does believe America has lost her moral compass. That’s a far cry from the hatred fomenting in Pakistan. Islam is hate.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 4:40:44 PM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: presidio9

There is no comparison. Santorum isn’t calling for any theocracy, although he does believe America has lost her moral compass. That’s a far cry from the hatred fomenting in Pakistan. Islam is hate.

This seems to be just another angle the MSM will take in tearing down our nominee(s).


10 posted on 02/27/2012 4:41:26 PM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: presidio9

Founding Fathers emphasis on their Christianity in the Declaration of Independence is not good for democracy

THERE, fixed it.


11 posted on 02/27/2012 4:42:59 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: presidio9

I’m not a Santorum supporter, but this article is ridiculous. Santorum isn’t calling on his supporters to MURDER those who disagree with him, last time I checked. Comparing his approach to that of Islam is a slander to Santorum, and I’m not even a fan of the guy.


12 posted on 02/27/2012 4:45:02 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: madprof98

I can’t figure out how Bishop Romney escapes this.

If a Catholic Bishop, especially one believed to be destined to become a Cardinal or possibly Pope after his Presidency, were running for the GOP nomination, he and his church would come under deep scrutiny.

Bishop Romney is that guy.

As a Bishop and then a Stake President, Bishop Romney is expected to ascend higher in the Mormon church to at least the level of Cardinal, and possibly to the position of Prophet or Pope, as his uncle was in line to be when death claimed him. Mitt is also the son of a Bishop and is believed by many Mormons to be the fulfillment of the White Horse Prophecy.


13 posted on 02/27/2012 4:45:47 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: presidio9

Well ... then it's a good thing we live within a democratic republic instead of a pure democracy, wherein we are endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights that cannot be taken from us by a simple majority ruling.


14 posted on 02/27/2012 4:46:15 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Para-Ord.45

Oops! There goes that lecture! Just told three HS classes that the foundations of our government and our laws were based on Judeo Christian values and that the Framers believed that our rights come from a Divine source, not the Government. Oh well!


15 posted on 02/27/2012 4:48:23 PM PST by cumbo78
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To: NativeNewYorker

“The writer’s blog: http://www.muslimerican.com/";

Wow!

GO RICK!


16 posted on 02/27/2012 4:48:32 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: cripplecreek

To me, religion is a very personal part of one’s life. I think Ronald Reagan did a wonderful job without invoking Christianity into governing this nation or using it to get votes. He certainly didn’t have use it to demonstrate his morality and leadership.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 4:51:40 PM PST by Toespi
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To: presidio9

Santorum may be a bit quixotic, but his policy vision does not come even within a light year of a mullocracy.

This Moose is either clueless or dissembling.


18 posted on 02/27/2012 4:52:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: presidio9
Watching Rick Santorum rise in the polls by positioning himself as the real Christian presidential candidate is like watching the sequel of a horror movie — one I literally lived through in the 1980s while growing up in Pakistan. There, another religious zealot, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, played the lead role of the real Muslim.

Gee, this strawman is so tough to knock down!?

Ummmmmmmmmmmm.........lesssseeeee......

Oh?! Here ya go:

1. Santorum is a Christian

2. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq was a Muslim

Other than that....his analogy is spot on!

19 posted on 02/27/2012 4:52:21 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: ansel12

Mitt’s religion seems to be virtually dogma-less at this point in time.

The worse problem is that it generates a lot of fanatic followers who will want Mitt at almost any cost. Even if he has more waffles than were ever created by Toastmaster brand appliances.


20 posted on 02/27/2012 4:54:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Toespi

An honest reader of Judeo-Christian scripture will see that reverence to God was never intended to be a lone wolf affair.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 4:56:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: presidio9

Good, democracy is mob rule tip toeing on anarchy. We are a republic and our founding fathers proudly expressed that fact and denounced democracies.


22 posted on 02/27/2012 5:00:34 PM PST by BloodAngel
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To: presidio9
Please - apples and oranges.

The intolerant, murderous, genocidal Islamists can hardly be compared to Christians, who believe in peace, love, and tolerance for all (the very rare nutjob notwithstanding). Not to mention our 1st Amendment stops the fedgov ever trying to institute a state sanctioned religion, and then there is popular culture and political correctness that has little patience for anything Christian nowadays.

Some people just can't or won't acknowledge the differences. I'm an agnostic so have no dog in the fight other than wanting to live in peace.

Someone replied to an article today on FR that listed the atrocities committed around the world by muslims in just the month of February - so far.

I always go back to: When was the last time in current times this rock saw an individual or group of Christians murder/mutilate/rape and call for the extinction of a peoples in the name of Jesus Christ (forget the Crusades - ancient history)? The recent worse thing that Christians want is not be forced to pay health costs that run opposite their beliefs - THE HORROR! Yet, that is a big issue with so many leftist/socialists, but they completely ignore what the mayhem Islamists do every day.

23 posted on 02/27/2012 5:01:56 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Toespi
"Within the covers of that single Book are all the answers to all the problems that face us today -- if only we’d read and believe" -Ronald Reagan March 2, 1984
24 posted on 02/27/2012 5:03:22 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9

These leftists have literally lost their minds, what little they still had.


25 posted on 02/27/2012 5:13:47 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9

You know we can find quotes everywhere. The truth is Santorum may be popular with a very good, and worthy group of voters. But it is a tiny segment of the population. Santorum is making statements that are just out of control. Today he attacked JFK, saying what he said “made him want to throw up.”. Do you understand how irresponsible and I might add, unpresdential that is? You wait until the Obama team makes a campaign ad with that sound byte, it will crush him and any hopes of getting Obama out of the white house.


26 posted on 02/27/2012 5:16:19 PM PST by Toespi
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To: presidio9
The Left always tries to confuse people with the idea that Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam. This confusion causes people to think that Christian morality is bad in the public sector because it will lead to outrageous policy—like what you see in some theistic nations in the Middle East. The fact is, atheistic, or secular thinking is religion too. The question is, does secular thinking promote a society to obey unenforceable laws? If the answer is no, then secularism is a failed system. If we examine the Judeo-Christian model, we see a successful system that has had centuries of evidence to prove that it works and offers the most freedom for its citizens. Such promotes the citizen to obey unenforceable laws which translates into a productive society.

There is good theism and there is bad theism. Most would agree that theistic Satanism is a bad theism. I will not take the time to judge which theistic model is better than another. I only say that you can judge them by their fruits. It is good that we have a Biblical golden rule to use in such questions.

27 posted on 02/27/2012 5:21:05 PM PST by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Toespi
Today he attacked JFK, saying what he said “made him want to throw up.”. Do you understand how irresponsible and I might add, unpresdential that is?

As if those who would get personally offended about something Rick Santorum said about JFK weren't a lock to vote for Obama anyway. Other than you, of course.

As a student of politics, I think JFK is the most overrated president this nation has ever had. As a Catholic, I find him to be an embarrassment.

28 posted on 02/27/2012 5:21:31 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Toespi

“...I think Ronald Reagan did a wonderful job without invoking Christianity into governing this nation....”

On the contrary. Google “Ronald Reagan Tribute - Bel Air Presbyterian Church.” You will see that Reagan invoked his Christianity publicly at home and abroad and made it clear that it very much informed his morality and his leadership. He was, perhaps, more gracious in his delivery, but otherwise not much removed from Rick Santorum’s positions.

His speeches were widely admired at the time, but they would send the punditry into hysterics today. That’s how far our culture has deteriorated. And that’s why so many of us are looking for a culture warrior to lead this country back to greatness.

I’m a Gingrich supporter myself, but I will be happy to vote - and work for - Santorum should he win the nomination.


29 posted on 02/27/2012 5:29:05 PM PST by Wife of D28Man
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To: presidio9

News for Faheem Younus: Christianity is not the same as Islam. Go back to Pakistan if you don’t like it.


30 posted on 02/27/2012 5:30:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: presidio9

Ok so you are a student of politics huh? Well then you are out of my league. I’m a Catholic and I also think JFK was overrated, however I found Santorum’s statement in wanting to “throw up,” was reckless, classless and unnecessary. But then again you are the expert.


31 posted on 02/27/2012 5:32:18 PM PST by Toespi
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32 posted on 02/27/2012 5:34:28 PM PST by narses
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To: presidio9

Good! We don’t want a democracy. We want to restore the Constitutional Republic.


33 posted on 02/27/2012 5:40:29 PM PST by crosshairs (Maranatha!)
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To: presidio9
Faheem Younus :

democracy

Since I have seen a secular country morphing into a theocracy at the hands of a religious fanatic,

the Jeffersonian wall of separation between church and state.

So let's demand a separation between church and candidate.

Comparing an American candidate to a Muslim politician
in Barbaric Pakistan is to be regarded as absurd.

The absolute arrogance of a Pakistani Muslim lecturing Americans.

He does not have the least clue about America.

He is either absolutely ignorant or decidedly duplicitous.

In any event he should be regarded as a Pakistani Muslim Terrorist
seeking to destroy this Republic.


34 posted on 02/27/2012 5:43:30 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Wife of D28Man

Good for you. I will write in Newt Gingrich.


35 posted on 02/27/2012 5:49:10 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Toespi

And help Willard in Michigan?


36 posted on 02/27/2012 5:56:02 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Toespi

Obama thanks you.


37 posted on 02/27/2012 5:56:41 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: presidio9; BillyBoy

What “emphasis on his Christianity”? It seems to me he’s focusing on the issues.


38 posted on 02/27/2012 6:13:15 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: presidio9
Look at that. A Pakistani doesn't like our freedom of speech and religion, and our Judeo Christian heritage. Tough! Go back home to Sharia.
39 posted on 02/27/2012 6:55:24 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: SkyPilot

Excellent!


40 posted on 02/27/2012 7:05:00 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Toespi
Ok so you are a student of politics huh? Well then you are out of my league. I’m a Catholic and I also think JFK was overrated, however I found Santorum’s statement in wanting to “throw up,” was reckless, classless and unnecessary. But then again you are the expert.

From unwarranted sarcasm of your answer, I think I see your problem. You are the type of person who makes a cursory review of statements and then passes superficial judgement.

For example, I presented myself as a student of politics, not an authority. And I identified myself a Catholic, not an expert.

Likewise, the idea that a Catholic can completely exclude his religious beliefs from his descision making process is ridiculous. Would you have preferred that Santorum point out the obvious: Either JFK was lying to gain favor with his Baptist audience, or he was not sincere in his Catholicism?

For example: If you are a politician working to preserve abortion rights, Nancy Pelosi for example, the Church teaches us that you have excommunicated yourself latae sententiae. Until this has been corrected, you can go to daily Mass, carry around a Rosary, and name your kids after Saints. You are still not in Communion with the Church and are therefore not a Catholic. No matter what you choose to call yourself. Catholicism is a daily choice, not an ethnicity.

41 posted on 02/27/2012 7:05:49 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Toespi; katiedidit1
Good for you. I will write in Newt Gingrich.

Incidently, there has been no greater cheerleader for Newt Gingrich on this website than yours truely.

But not to the point of making baseless attacks on other candidates.

42 posted on 02/27/2012 7:08:43 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9

Faheem wants more emphasis on Islam?


43 posted on 02/27/2012 7:10:10 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: presidio9

It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson’s example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four.

Worship services in the House—a practice that continued until after the Civil War—were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary.

Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a “crowded audience.” Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html


44 posted on 02/27/2012 7:11:36 PM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: presidio9
Santorum's emphasis on his Christianity is not good for democracy

But Obama's f'ed up Chrislam theology is perfectly fine, right?!

45 posted on 02/27/2012 7:11:44 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Wife of D28Man

Once The Lewinski entered the jargon of socially acceptable performance in the Oval Office, you could figure the societal decay was pretty advanced.

Satan doesn’t give up gained territory easily, but there is One whom he will give in to.


46 posted on 02/27/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by itsahoot (Much easier to tear down a building, than to build one. Bigger mess though.)
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To: presidio9

I don’t make “baseless” attacks. I point out facts.
GO NEWT!


47 posted on 02/27/2012 7:21:57 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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>> Santorum's emphasis on his Christianity is not good for democracy

More bogus twisting of Santorum's candicay.

We shall not deny Christ!

>> "At the end of the day, I'd rather have a president who worships the same God as I do." (A voter in South Carolina actually said that to a New York Times reporter.)

OMG, the horror...

Departing momentarily from my pro Newt campaign position, Go Rick! Don't tolerate this kind of disparagement!


48 posted on 02/27/2012 7:22:33 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: cripplecreek
What it all oils down to:

The Left is deeply frightened by any mention of God.

And I don't blame them.

49 posted on 02/27/2012 7:24:12 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: cripplecreek
What it all boils down to:

The Left is deeply frightened by any mention of God.

And I don't blame them.

50 posted on 02/27/2012 7:24:31 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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