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Game official: cougar killing no one's business
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/28/12 | Marisa Lagos

Posted on 02/28/2012 10:53:32 PM PST by SmithL

California Fish and Game Commission President Daniel Richards said Tuesday that there is "zero chance" he will resign over a photograph showing him grinning as he holds up the body of a mountain lion he shot, killed and ate in Idaho recently.

In a letter addressed to Assemblyman Ben Hueso, D-San Diego, one of dozens of public officials who called for Richards' resignation in recent days, Richards blasted lawmakers and others for their criticism of his hunting expedition and mocked their condemnation of the kill.

Richards wrote that he did eat a cougar for dinner, did not use a high-powered rifle and said he has "consistently supported" conservation efforts as a commissioner when they were backed by scientific evidence. He compared his actions to a California official gambling in Nevada.

While it's legal to kill the big cats in Idaho, California has banned the hunting of mountain lions since 1972, and voters have twice renewed that restriction. After the photo surfaced online this week, at least 40 lawmakers and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom called for his resignation.

Newsom, in a letter, said the "actions call into question whether you can live up to the calling of your office," and "do not reflect the values of the people of California."

Richards was unapologetic.

"Do you really think a California commissioner is actually obligated to follow California laws across these United States? Really?" Richards wrote on Fish and Game letterhead in a two-page correspondence he also sent to the entire Legislature, the governor, the California secretary of Natural Resources, and members of the Fish and Game Commission.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: california; cougar; danielrichards; fishandgame; idaho
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To: org.whodat
You've officially entered the troll zone....for me.

Excellent....because I have been leaning that way for months.

101 posted on 02/29/2012 2:22:53 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

You have mental problems, get help. No one cares what you think. And no one has elected you to represent them. Take your little personal attacks and stick them.


102 posted on 02/29/2012 2:31:11 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: DoughtyOne
Before I moved from SoCal....in '98...I saw a cougar along the 91 Frwy...from RVSD to O.C. I kid you not....Right along the frwy...

They mauled and killed a few people while I lived there.

Mountain lions are not endangered in CA. And in some states, it is not just sport to take them. They will take your dogs, your cattle, your sheep.....your kid.

But I will take them for sport myself, if given the chance. Just as I hunt bobcat here in OK.

I've some disgust by what happened before me too....but it doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to what is going on now.

FRegards,

103 posted on 02/29/2012 2:38:07 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: org.whodat

ROTFLOL!!!!


104 posted on 02/29/2012 2:43:38 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

Thanks for the response.

I quite often go with my gutt, and more often than not, it’s okay. It isn’t always.

Here it was probably unfair for me to take this guy to task. If he did have permits and did it legally, it’s more like a Leftist frame of mind to take him to task.

I’ve become somewhat jaded by all the enviro nonsense so much so that I don’t really have a lot of respect for folks who are in any way related to fish, game, land management et al.

I don’t actually have a problem with taking that cat. If it’s legally taken, it isn’t just tossed out, I don’t have a real problem with it.

If the guy didn’t have permits, I’m reinstating my objection to him.


105 posted on 02/29/2012 2:53:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I've seen and read you here for many years now...

We are much the same.

No worries....

106 posted on 02/29/2012 3:36:04 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

Thanks for the nice response. I don’t like other decent folks thinking I’m a numb-skull more often than they need to, so I appreciate it. :^)


107 posted on 02/29/2012 4:29:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Oh heck, my friend.....I've been a numb-skull more times than I can count.

It's always been a pleasure to read your posts....Even when I get a bit side-ways with them. Ha!!

Best FRegards,

108 posted on 02/29/2012 5:06:39 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

Thanks Osage Orange. I find myself trying to cut down on the whole getting sideways thing.

I’ve enjoyed talking with you.


109 posted on 02/29/2012 5:28:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Please yak at me anytime....


110 posted on 02/29/2012 5:31:31 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

Oh I probably will you poor thing. LOL

Take care...


111 posted on 02/29/2012 5:34:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Snort...!!

Poor, I am not.....

112 posted on 02/29/2012 5:45:18 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: muawiyah
Sure, he was in a different state when he killed one ~ and ate it ~ and it was all legal ~ but what is he doing protecting the darned things back in CA? Certainly they are as dangerous there as they are in Idaho

Many of his fellow Californians would consider it a sacrilege to kill a big cat and would count it an honor to be eaten by one. You can't fix stupid...

113 posted on 02/29/2012 5:51:25 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Osage Orange

Hello, you’ve reached DoughtyOne’s automatic FRAnswering service. At the tone, please leave a brief message, with contact information so he can get b...

Hello... hello...

Dang it, I hate when that happens.

I wonder if it was Osage Orange taking me to task for the inclusion of ‘poor’ in my response...


114 posted on 02/29/2012 5:53:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Ha!!


117 posted on 02/29/2012 6:01:29 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

I find triple posting to be a great cure for boredom.


118 posted on 02/29/2012 6:03:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Osage Orange; DoughtyOne
Probably none...for game that is illegal in CA.

I've read that the State of California has hired professionals to shoot nuisance cats. Considering their economy, they would have been better off raffling an opportunity to buy a tag. Then they could charge some poor schmuck twice for a chance to shoot one.

119 posted on 02/29/2012 6:09:02 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Agreed.....


120 posted on 02/29/2012 6:13:06 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Grizzled Bear; Osage Orange

The problem is, the leadership of the State of California had a choice.

Why get paid for something, when you can pay for it?

This is sort of an honor thing for Democrats.


121 posted on 02/29/2012 6:19:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: org.whodat

“I bet you have never been there, I have/?//”

No offense but you don’t sound like you have ever been hunting.


122 posted on 02/29/2012 8:51:02 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
LOL, I have been a hunter all my life, paying someone to run an animal up a tree and let you shoot it is not hunting. These cats live in a big range area. It is not like hunting deer in Ga. You can go out there and spend your whole life walking around looking for one of those cats, odds of you finding one, slim at best. They run them down with dogs are they bait them and sell a canned hunt. Simple! You can call it hunting if you wish, but I have a friend that owns a slaughter house, if the money is right I can arrange for you to kill a few cows, bulls cost more.
123 posted on 02/29/2012 11:17:17 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

both a dying rabbit call and a fawn in distress call will bring a moubtain lion right in your lap

dying rabbit call is less than $10


124 posted on 03/01/2012 8:24:53 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1
Roflol, if, and that is a really big if, you are within hearing distance and the wind is not blowing the wrong way. LOL, I was watching a big coyote once, and had my range all figured and said just as soon as he tops that hill about 400 yards out i will nail him. The wind shifted just for a second and the coyote disappeared.
125 posted on 03/01/2012 9:05:25 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Grizzled Bear
A few years ago in SoCal....a woman was killed by a lion.

The lion was tracked down and killed....and then someone discovered the lion had a litter of small lions.

Some people took up a charity for the woman...and her family. And some folks took up a charity for the baby puma's.....Guess which charity raised more money?

126 posted on 03/01/2012 1:39:25 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: org.whodat; AnTiw1
He's right you know...

Big black bears can be called in too with a predator call. So can wild hogs...And you can take them at 10-30 yds...with a bow.

What were you shooting when you missed out on that "coyote" at 400 yds because the wind shifted for a "second"?

127 posted on 03/01/2012 1:59:16 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Yeah, I don’t think that eating predators is advisable.

They do take the sickest and weakest animals after all and tend to concentrate any toxins in the local food-chain in their flesh.

If I was starving maybe, but yuck...


128 posted on 03/01/2012 2:05:27 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Myrddin
"What he did was perfectly legal in Idaho."

With the federalization of everything these days, many people no longer have the concepts of 'states rights' and 'state sovereignty'. They don't know what it is but they know they are agin it.

129 posted on 03/01/2012 2:09:08 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Osage Orange
LOL, if you look it up the state of Idaho says 1% of their mountain lion kills are by call. That was out of 700+. And 23,000 permits in their most kill years. Go and try it. You will see a lot of foxes and coyotes. Big damn state, few cats. They have been a lots less kills reported downward trend.
130 posted on 03/01/2012 5:47:59 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
Youtube video of man calling for coyote that gets cougar instead.
131 posted on 03/02/2012 2:55:00 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: SmithL

The last cougar I ate drove off in a Mercedez. I dont shoot like I used to.....


132 posted on 03/02/2012 3:27:56 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: AnTiw1

Blind hog finds acorn, happens now and then. Had a fox come to a deer call once. Approx 23,500 hunters approx 750 kills, less than 1% by call, you do the math, you will probably win the lottery first.


133 posted on 03/02/2012 3:32:13 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

You really don’t know a damn thing, do you?


134 posted on 03/02/2012 7:51:34 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: Shimmer1; org.whodat
Well then, that was one of the stupidest comments I’ve read today. But the day is young, I still have time to read more of your comments. LOL
org.whodat is proof positive that freerepublic needs an "ignore" function with a number-of-ignores limit that deletes the user if a [number] threshold is reached.

OTOH, the thing known as org.whodat wouldn't care anyway -- it is just a Turing machine anyway...
135 posted on 03/02/2012 8:16:54 AM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: AnTiw1

So you run out of fingers and toes and cannot count past twenty, should have known. Now reread the part of your agreement here. The one that says no personal attacks. And remember no one kicked your cage.


136 posted on 03/02/2012 9:04:23 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Run and cry to whomever you like, you’re making yourself up as you go along, and you’re not very good at it.


137 posted on 03/02/2012 5:25:50 PM PST by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1

LOL,


138 posted on 03/02/2012 5:35:03 PM PST by org.whodat
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