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What the heck is happening to the drug supply in this country??? (VANITY)
2/29/2012 | Surrounded by blue

Posted on 02/29/2012 12:37:51 PM PST by surroundedbyblue

I"m a nurse anesthetist, and I just got a work-related email from my boss. Basically it said "please conserve midazolam, fentanyl, morphine, and hydromorphone.....supplies are CRITICALLY short & the hospital is struggling to maintain supplies".

Um, ok. The last time I checked, this was the United States, not Crapistan. How are we "critically short" on all of the major anesthesia drugs that we use??? Am I supposed to offer the patient a bullet to bite?

Are there any FReepers out there who have ties to the pharm industry and can explain this? Speaking with others throughout the hospital, I have learned there are critical drug shortages in the ICU, ER, and oncology areas.


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My employer can offer no explanation for this.....
1 posted on 02/29/2012 12:37:54 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

So.. whatcha wanna score?


2 posted on 02/29/2012 12:40:52 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: surroundedbyblue

Sounds like what’s happening in Greece.


3 posted on 02/29/2012 12:41:42 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: humblegunner

I wanna score a decent anesthetic for my patients. I’m serious.....this borders on unethical. People are going to begin under-dosing patients on pain meds just to make ends meet.

I didn’t sign up for this job to hurt people. I signed up to alleviate some of the pain & suffering in this world.


4 posted on 02/29/2012 12:43:27 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

HHH trying to kill off the less strong.


5 posted on 02/29/2012 12:44:27 PM PST by crosshairs (Maranatha!)
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To: surroundedbyblue
"midazolam, fentanyl"

Colonoscopy? Sure thing doc!


6 posted on 02/29/2012 12:45:37 PM PST by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’m not in the industry but I remember hearing about a drug shortage a month or so ago.

I can’t remember the exact details but it was impacting a number of both Australian manufactured and imported from the US drugs.

Looks like there’s something wrong with the global supply system.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 12:45:37 PM PST by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

We are being transformed into Crapistan by the crap in the White House. And we are only just beginning.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 12:45:53 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: surroundedbyblue
Demand and less supply, baby!!

Let Obama Care roll!!!

9 posted on 02/29/2012 12:47:04 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: surroundedbyblue

All part of the plan. Just wait if deathcare passes in SCOTUS.

Or he wins re-election. 3rd or 4th world country is the goal for us by this bunch in charge, plain and simple.


10 posted on 02/29/2012 12:47:36 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: surroundedbyblue

You only THINK we don’t live in crapistan. Such “shortages” are symptomatic of crony corporate fascism...where the little guys....keeping the big producers on their toes...get stamped out ...so the big guys don’t have to stay on the top of their game.


11 posted on 02/29/2012 12:48:46 PM PST by mo
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To: crosshairs
HHH trying to kill off the less strong.

In a nutshell drug companies are making less of the drugs they make little money on and concentrating on making the drugs with the higher profit margin. Many of the drugs that have had shortages they make very little money on.

There is no conspiracy out there.

12 posted on 02/29/2012 12:49:32 PM PST by trailhkr1
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To: surroundedbyblue

Whachu need?

Alonzo and Jimmy the Tooth are always on the street corner and they seem to have a ready stash.


13 posted on 02/29/2012 12:49:44 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

There are shortages of a lot of popular medications. Asking at my HMO’s pharmacy, they told me that the drug manufacturers are being limited by the federal government. They are having trouble acquiring some of the chemical components of their drugs. (The pharmacist, an Indian guy, then went on a long conservative rant, which I enjoyed.) I certainly believe the first part, about the government regulating drug companies’ output. Unsure about the second part, difficulty acquiring chemicals.


14 posted on 02/29/2012 12:51:14 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I am gonna make a guess. It probably has to do with Obamacare. You know, the parts that we don’t know about that is happening behind our backs.


15 posted on 02/29/2012 12:51:51 PM PST by dforest
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To: surroundedbyblue

It’s my understanding that the DEA sets quotas for manufacturers of Schedule I and II medications. I read an article where Ritalin and other ADD drugs are in short supply because the DEA didn’t guess right.


16 posted on 02/29/2012 12:52:09 PM PST by cryptical (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Sounds like part of ObamaCare we wouldn’t find out about until the bill was passed.

Control of the supply by those in power. For the common good, equality and all that rot, you know.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 12:54:13 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
How's that Hope and Change working out for you?

Welcome to America in the Age of Obama. Get used to it. It is only going to get worse. Much worse.

The Obama Administration is trying to turn America into a backward, third rate country and slowly but surely they are moving America in that direction.

The Obama Administration has taken to changing the regulating the drug companies and creating all kinds of regulatory and pricing hurdles. There are also potential legal liabilities. Drug manufacturing is also moving overseas, just one more thing America can no longer do.

18 posted on 02/29/2012 12:54:30 PM PST by detective
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To: surroundedbyblue

I have a friend in the pharma business - will ask him and get back to you.


19 posted on 02/29/2012 12:55:46 PM PST by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: surroundedbyblue
White House claims success in tackling prescription drug shortage

We're saved!

20 posted on 02/29/2012 12:56:18 PM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Alonzo & Jimmy the Tooth are going to become America’s premier anesthetists at this rate.


21 posted on 02/29/2012 12:56:40 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

My last physical I was talking about Obamacare with my doctor.
His take: “If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it’s free.”


22 posted on 02/29/2012 12:57:51 PM PST by tumblindice (Nuke Hollywood from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
I thought everyone was supposed to smoke marijuana?

The times I smoked marijuana it wasn't for pain. I never thought - Ouch my knee hurts I better smoke some marijuana.

23 posted on 02/29/2012 12:58:51 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Cometh the hour, cometh the man. NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Creation of new laws and regulations which shut down profitable businesses and they are then bought up by large conglomerates. Regulations also control the quantity of supply to force higher ‘costs’. The government and big pharma then become ‘partners’ in big business, and this health care plan is just a way or ‘dictating’ what the markets will be in supplies so that the large conglomerates do not have to deal with such things as ‘competition’ and a changing market.

It’s all about the money, honey.


24 posted on 02/29/2012 12:58:59 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: trailhkr1

I must respectfully disagree with you.

Yes the drugs we are short on in the OR are the cheaper, generic, off-patent stuff, people are also reporting shortages on the swanky, high-end cancer drugs.

Truly, it seems we are short on almost everything. After 14 years of nursing, I’ve never seen anything like this. There’s been a steady shortage of meds for at least the last two years, and it seems to be getting worse, affecting more drugs. It’s quite unnerving and makes me want a new job. I can’t sit by & watch people in excruciating pain after surgery, or have total recall of their procedure because we are short on midaz. That s**t ain’t right.


25 posted on 02/29/2012 1:00:02 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: cryptical; surroundedbyblue
It’s my understanding that the DEA sets quotas for manufacturers of Schedule I and II medications

Yup. They're from the gubment and they're here to help.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/CDER/ManualofPoliciesProcedures/ucm073579.pdf

The gubment has gotten out of control. It needs to be destroyed and rebuilt.

26 posted on 02/29/2012 1:00:46 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: trailhkr1

There may be no conspiracy on the side of the Drug Companies, but there’s one hell of a conspiracy by those who wish to nationalize them.
Can we say Hugo Obama?


27 posted on 02/29/2012 1:00:46 PM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Berry explains that the drugs used by anesthesiologists are sterile, injectable medications that are injected directly into a patient’s blood stream. As such, they are required to be the purest of all medications, which in turn makes them among the most difficult to produce. But, he adds, there are many other factors that influence the shortage of anesthetic drugs, including manufacturing issues, such as difficulty obtaining the necessary raw materials, which often come from developing countries; increasingly stringent manufacturing standards; and distribution issues. Those factors, combined with a low profit margin on some anesthetics, including Propofol, led Israel’s Teval Pharmaceutical Industries and Hospira Inc. of Lake Forest, Ill., to halt production and recall some batches of the sedative due to quality-control issues.

Source

Never imagined this would be an issue, thanks for the head's up ...

28 posted on 02/29/2012 1:01:04 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Send every patient a block of email addresses for the white house, HHS, all members of the house and senate and tell them to thank them for adding to their pain and suffering. Remind the patients that who they vote for has consequences. Voting for a democrat will ultimately bring pain, suffering, deprivation, and ultimately death to you and your families.

FUBO & FAD


29 posted on 02/29/2012 1:01:20 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Being the recipient of several major surgeries over the past few years, this gives me great personal concern.

Hopefully, it will be folks like you that find a safe way to make this public and get it turned around.

I went in for heart surgery. I suffered a stroke during surgery and contracted MRSA. Instead of a 6-8 day stay, I was in the hospital for two very long and extremely painful months.

Had it not been for morphine and oxy’s, I doubt that I would have made it. As it was, there were times I had thoughts of wanting to die rather than deal with the insane pain.

People will not just suffer from more pain, it may cause some of them not to fight for life.

Thank you for what you do...


30 posted on 02/29/2012 1:01:39 PM PST by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: ottbmare; ScottinVA; dforest; detective
Before blaming this entirely on obama...drug companies have not been keeping up with this either.

Drug shortages have increased dramatically in the U.S. over the past six years, particularly for generic injected drugs, which are the workhorses of hospitals but are difficult to make and produce little profit for drug makers.

The shortages are caused primarily by problems with sterility and other serious issues that have led to shutdowns of production lines and occasionally entire factories. In addition, consolidation among generic drug manufacturers, as well as manufacturers deciding to end production of marginally profitable drugs, has led to decreased capacity. That means when one manufacturer suddenly stops production, the small number of others making a drug can't quickly pick up slack.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/21/fda-new-suppliers-to-ease-2-cancer-drug-shortages/#ixzz1no4GQcCq

31 posted on 02/29/2012 1:01:39 PM PST by trailhkr1
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To: surroundedbyblue

This has apparently being going on for a while.

http://news.nurse.com/article/20111204/NATIONAL02/112120014/-1/frontpage


32 posted on 02/29/2012 1:01:55 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Basically it said “please conserve midazolam, fentanyl, morphine, and hydromorphone.....supplies are CRITICALLY short & the hospital is struggling to maintain supplies”.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Simple

This means the hospital has squandered the budget with lavish dinners and expensive trips for the top administrators, and has no money left for basic needs like midazolam, fentanyl, morphine, and hydromorphone.

“...supplies are CRITICALLY short & the hospital is struggling to maintain supplies”.

should read....

“BUDGET MONEY is CRITICALLY short & the hospital is struggling to maintain supplies”.


33 posted on 02/29/2012 1:02:36 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: surroundedbyblue

My guess is these are all drugs which are off patents and the newest drug is 100 times as expensive but only mildly more effective.


34 posted on 02/29/2012 1:03:21 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: surroundedbyblue; mickie; seenenuf; flaglady47
DRUG SHORTAGES?

On The Road to Socialist Utopia (starring Bobama Hope and Bing-a-ling Biden), one crisis after another has to occur so the masses will beg the government to save them.

If no crisis is on the horizon, manufacture one.

Leni

35 posted on 02/29/2012 1:04:04 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mo; surroundedbyblue
You only THINK we don’t live in crapistan. Such “shortages” are symptomatic of crony corporate fascism...where the little guys....keeping the big producers on their toes...get stamped out ...so the big guys don’t have to stay on the top of their game.

mo is absolutely right. The powers that be just haven gotten around to the name change.

Why do you think those great CFC inhalers were removed from the market and replaced by more expensive inferior products? Most certainly not because of the 'ozone hole' or 'man-made global warming'.
36 posted on 02/29/2012 1:05:28 PM PST by khelus
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To: Raycpa

‘Tis true that these are off-patent & cheap, but there are no replacements for them. They are the tried & true, irreplaceable drugs.


37 posted on 02/29/2012 1:07:17 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’d say the government is stockpiling anticipating SHTF.


38 posted on 02/29/2012 1:07:26 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Let’s see....how do you drive up costs??? Hmm....creating a shortage is one way.


39 posted on 02/29/2012 1:07:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Dundee
Looks like there’s something wrong with the global supply system.

You mean other than being run by crooks?

40 posted on 02/29/2012 1:08:50 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: surroundedbyblue

We were short of Sufenta today. One of our Neuro guys wanted to use it for a neuromonitored patient so as not to dampen the EEG trace during surgery but was told, “It’s too costly.”
When you start rationing and cost containment shortages happen.
It will only get worse...


41 posted on 02/29/2012 1:09:00 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: UCANSEE2
Creation of new laws and regulations which shut down profitable businesses and they are then bought up by large conglomerates. Regulations also control the quantity of supply to force higher ‘costs’. The government and big pharma then become ‘partners’ in big business, and this health care plan is just a way or ‘dictating’ what the markets will be in supplies so that the large conglomerates do not have to deal with such things as ‘competition’ and a changing market.

It’s all about the money, honey.


Yup ... and it just didn't start with Zero.

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42 posted on 02/29/2012 1:09:59 PM PST by khelus
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To: trailhkr1
There is no conspiracy out there.

Other than greed and a socialist trending government.

43 posted on 02/29/2012 1:10:53 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dforest
"We must pass this bill to find out what's in it!"

I wonder which section outlined "drug shortages"?

I suggest that any patient that voted for Obama, Pelsoi or Reid be the first to be denied or under dosed with anesthesia drugs during surgery.

44 posted on 02/29/2012 1:14:03 PM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: trailhkr1

Most likely caused by government meddling.

When the government starts meddling, Shi* happens. I would have to first look at why the drug companies are having problems. Bet it links back to government in one way or another.

Most things wrong at the moment link to Obama as causing the problem, or as making a problem worse.’

I can think of NOTHING that has improved since Obama.


45 posted on 02/29/2012 1:14:22 PM PST by dforest
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To: khelus
"You can have it all"


46 posted on 02/29/2012 1:14:55 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I have lived in China, Eastern Europe and other countries.

It is the direct and unavoidable route of state-management and price controls. It is the same everywhere. The details are always different, but the result is always the same. What you will see (and what we are seeing) is attacks on the suppliers - they are profiteering, hoarding, etc.. etc..

I do believe that in another 10 years, we will see that there will develop a large black-market in medicine. You will need to bribe doctors to see them, as is normal practice in places like China and Russia.

Also, medical tourism will become a booming business - for those who can afford it.


47 posted on 02/29/2012 1:16:34 PM PST by PGR88
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To: trailhkr1
“Before blaming this entirely on obama...drug companies have not been keeping up with this either.”

America has traditionally had by far the best pharmaceutical industry in the world. Most of the drugs were invented and developed in the U.S. The most advanced manufacturing was in the U.S. The government, particularly the Obama Administration sees drug companies as the enemy. Trial lawyers see them as an easy target.

As a result of this harsh regulatory environment and the general anti-business policies of the Obama Administration some of the drug manufacturing capacity in the U.S. has shut down.

The remaining manufacturing faces much tougher and frankly stupid regulations making it more difficult to manufacture drugs in the U.S.

Add to that the price regulations imposed by the Obama regime and it simply doesn't make sense to manufacture in the U.S.

More drugs now come from overseas but this supply is far less reliable.

It is Obama’s fault, directly or indirectly. It is part of a pattern to turn America into a backward third world country. And they hope people like you won't be intelligent enough to understand what they are doing.

48 posted on 02/29/2012 1:17:17 PM PST by detective
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To: khelus
(post 36)

Why do you think those great CFC inhalers were removed from the market and replaced by more expensive inferior products?

Because the manufacturer of the the new cheaper ones donated a bunch of money to the right politicians. These new inhalers, just where are they manufactured?

49 posted on 02/29/2012 1:17:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: surroundedbyblue
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50 posted on 02/29/2012 1:18:43 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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