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No Matter How Much Food You’ve Got Stored, It Will Eventually Run Out in a Full-Blown Collapse
SHTF Plan ^ | 3-1-2012 | Joe Alton, M.D.,aka Dr. Bones

Posted on 03/01/2012 10:29:42 AM PST by blam

No Matter How Much Food You’ve Got Stored, It Will Eventually Run Out in a Full-Blown Collapse

Joe Alton, M.D.,aka Dr. Bones
March 1st, 2012

The following article has been generously contributed by Joe Alton, M.D., aka Dr. Bones, of Doom and Bloom Nation where you can find strategies to stay healthy that include traditional medicine, alternative remedies, and medicinal/survival gardening. For the best in emergency and long-term disaster medical preparedness we encourage you to check out The Doom and Bloom Survival Medicine Handbook and follow Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy on their weekly podcast.

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To Survive, How Much Land?

Have you ever wondered how likely it is that you’ll be able to produce all the calories you’ll need on that piece of land you have? How much land for livestock? How about those solar panels you were thinking about? How many square feet of panels will provide you with the electricity you’ll need? There are ways to figure this out, and the answers may surprise you.

Let’s start by talking power. In a collapse situation, you’ll probably be able to rely on the sun and wind and not much else, unless you’ve built a watermill. The best answer might be installing some solar panels on your roof. This is a commonly available option that many people are considering nowadays. Let’s say part of your roof is facing south (the best place for a solar panel) and you get 7 hours or so of sunlight, on average. To get the amount of power that an average home uses in a year, you’ll need 375 square feet of panels. These things aren’t cheap, and that much hardware is going to be beyond the average family’s financial reach. This means that you’ll have to make decisions regarding how to ration the power you ARE able to produce. Look around the house, and you’ll probably see lots of things that are plugged in that you can eliminate if the stuff ever hits the fan. This is part of the planning you’ll need to do now, so that you’ll be better prepared for times of trouble.

How about food? If you have a family of four, you’ll want to provide at least 2000 or so calories per adult, more if you’re a big guy, maybe a little less for kids. The formula is simple: At least 30 calories per kilogram of body weight. One kilogram equals 2.2 pounds, so an 80 kilogram adult would weigh 176 pounds. 30 x 80 = 2400 calories/day. Less for kids, of course. All in all, you’ll need to provide 8000-9000 calories a day to maintain your family of four’s weight. So, let’s talk about some hard realities. No matter how much food you’ve got stored, it will eventually run out in a full-blown collapse. For your future success, better get that garden growing. Anyone who’s done it will tell you that there’s a learning curve, and you sure don’t want to plant that first seed in the midst of the Zombie Apocalypse.

Now, let’s separate your garden out into three categories: fruits, berries, and vegetables, then wheat, then corn. If you went totally vegetarian, you would need a little less than half an acre per person to provide all of those calories. That means a family of 4 needs almost 2 acres of farmable land!

The majority of this land will go to fruits, berries, and veggies. You’ll get the most nutrients in terms of vitamins and minerals from these. To decrease the amount of land you’ll need, consider companion planting. Some organic farmers will plant sunflowers, and then plant peas that will grow up the long stalks. The same goes with corn, squash, and pole beans. Squash will grow low to the ground, pole beans will take the intermediate area, and corn up high. Make sure you don’t put plants in the same family together, such as dill and carrots. They will share the same pests and diseases, which could possibly spread from one crop to the other.

If you stock up on wheatberries and use your handy dandy Wondermill, you can cut the land requirement down a bit. A mix of prepared food storage and gardening will keep you healthy and fed for a longer time. Corn isn’t a very land-efficient crop, but you might need it for your livestock. An alternative if you need to trim that acreage down a bit more is to stock up on bushels of corn feed; that’s about 55 pounds of feed for about $9-10. This is a good idea, but you’ll use a lot of it. It takes 10 bushels of corn to get a hog from weaning to slaughter. Btw, corn prices are going higher; they were less than 5 dollars a couple of years ago.

Don’t forget, you’ll need some land for hog wallows, goats, rabbits and chickens. All of these animals can be raised in relatively small amounts of space, and provide important protein. You’ll need a good 200 square feet for 3 hogs, more if they have piglets. You can get away with less for each of the other animals.

You might have to forget about cows; they aren’t land-efficient. If you want milk, think about goats, especially Nubian Goats. This variety can produce 1800 lbs. of milk a year, according to various sources. That’s a lot of milk! How about eggs? The average family of four will eat 1000 eggs or so a year. To reliably get this quantity, you’ll need about 10-15 birds in your henhouse, depends a lot on the breed and the ingenuity of the local foxes and raccoons.

You could probably squeeze this all in with an acre and a half of land. If you don’t have that much property, now you know you’ll need that much more food storage to make up the difference. This is information I thought was important for me to know, and now you know it too.


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1 posted on 03/01/2012 10:29:49 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Got plenty of wild hogs and catfish.

It’s the city folk that’s gonna have issues.


2 posted on 03/01/2012 10:31:54 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: blam
Here's a good link about antibiotics:

A Doctor's Thoughts On Antibiotics, Expiration Dates, And TEOTWAWKI, By Dr. Bones

3 posted on 03/01/2012 10:33:13 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Soylent Green.


4 posted on 03/01/2012 10:34:16 AM PST by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: servantboy777
"It’s the city folk that’s gonna have issues. "

Yup.

They know they'll have to kill you to get your 'stuff.' They'll arrive prepared to do just that.

5 posted on 03/01/2012 10:36:27 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Some is better than none. Wake up America, from your slumber.


6 posted on 03/01/2012 10:36:46 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: blam

Food production is always preferable to food storage long term, as you point out.

What I wish to point out is that the vast majority of people in America wouldn’t even know where to BEGIN producing food from 2 acres of land.


7 posted on 03/01/2012 10:38:09 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Kartographer

ping


8 posted on 03/01/2012 10:40:18 AM PST by filospinato
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To: filospinato
Mark Steyn: After America: Get Ready for Armageddon
9 posted on 03/01/2012 10:44:15 AM PST by blam
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To: servantboy777

I just put two wild hogs in my freezer a few weeks ago.

About 150#’s of meat.

Got another 15 to 20 pigs still roaming around.


10 posted on 03/01/2012 10:45:23 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


11 posted on 03/01/2012 10:45:49 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: servantboy777

Yep. City folks might depend more on suburban livestock. *Arf!* *Meow!*


12 posted on 03/01/2012 10:46:32 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: sauropod

home


13 posted on 03/01/2012 10:48:19 AM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: blam

The largest civil war in modern history took place in China in the 19th century, commonly referred to as the Taiping Rebellion in the English language.

Widespread starvation and competing militia and military units raided civilian foodstores until the point of widespread starvation.

From the view of civilians trying to survive in villages near the frontlines, the entire war was very fluid, raiding was continuous, events spiraled out of control on a moment’s notice.

No one except the military units were properly fed during the entire peak decade of the war. The military units also went through 1/4 ration starvation periods.

I don’t follow prepping websites too often(mostly through FR posts), but rarely do I see people bring up the lessons learned from the Taiping Rebellion, mostly due to the anti-Maoist biases of Americans... however Mao and the inner cadre did learn lessons from the Taiping Rebellion, and those lessons apply to TEOTWAWKI scenarios in the US.

The individualist and communitarian concepts of most preppers are going to quickly fall victim to collectivized zombie militias claiming sovereign right to the monopoly of force, ... at least from my perspective on the East Coast.


14 posted on 03/01/2012 10:48:27 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: blam

When they arrive the dogs will bark, the snipers will take up their positions, and the “long pig” will end up getting fed to the “short” pigs. ;)


15 posted on 03/01/2012 10:49:06 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: blam

Thats exactly right. Im not sure those preparing have really come to ‘peace’ with that reality. If you have ‘stuff’ youll spend your days defending it. Most every day will be life & death. To me that seems a daunting task not to be embarked on lightly. Your best defense is secrecy but at some point itll become common knowledge then you’re really committed. Youll kill or be killed. Id rather not have to go that road.....


16 posted on 03/01/2012 10:49:40 AM PST by 556x45
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To: servantboy777
Deer, wild hogs and turkey's.....

Plenty of bullets...

I think I'm good for meat.

17 posted on 03/01/2012 10:50:54 AM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: blam

That’s what ammo is for. Go out and get some more...


18 posted on 03/01/2012 10:53:49 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: blam

Great post, but where’s mah free birth control pills???


19 posted on 03/01/2012 10:55:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (If unemployment helps the economy, like the W.H. says, then CONTRACTING CANCER MAKES YOU HEALTHIER!)
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To: allmendream

I’ll plant a Cheeseburger and French Fry tree right by my beer lake.


20 posted on 03/01/2012 10:56:03 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: blam; Kartographer

Very interesting - good info.


21 posted on 03/01/2012 10:56:50 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: SouthTexas

it’s not just for breakfast anymore...


22 posted on 03/01/2012 10:56:51 AM PST by brivette
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To: allmendream
"When they arrive the dogs will bark, the snipers will take up their positions, and the “long pig” will end up getting fed to the “short” pigs. ;)"

And....

The next day, a bigger and even hungrier herd arrives wanting your stuff.

23 posted on 03/01/2012 10:58:07 AM PST by blam
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To: Osage Orange
Deer, wild hogs and turkey's..... Plenty of bullets... I think I'm good for meat.

Save your ammo - get a crossbow.

24 posted on 03/01/2012 10:59:14 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I hope you’re referring to hunting game,
and not using force to take what others have.


25 posted on 03/01/2012 10:59:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: 556x45
"Youll kill or be killed. Id rather not have to go that road....."

"And that is what Evil does: forces us all down dark pathways we otherwise would not have trod."
From the book 'Dark Tide' by D.L. McKiernan
26 posted on 03/01/2012 10:59:46 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: servantboy777
Got plenty of wild hogs and catfish.

Hell dude, all you need now is a chipper-shredder and you can dispose of any city dwellers that spill onto your property....no need to store tons of lye and waste fuel on digging graves ;) <./morbid sense of humor (maybe)>

27 posted on 03/01/2012 11:00:20 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Id rather have a man who wrecked his marriage as POTUS than a man who wrecked his country!)
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To: blam
I think my favorite person so far on Doomsday Preppers was the one hoarding all the chocolate brownie mix.

I'm heading to her place after Armageddon hits.

28 posted on 03/01/2012 11:00:22 AM PST by gdani
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To: blam
How To Live Off One Acre Of Land

Good luck.

L

29 posted on 03/01/2012 11:00:45 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: servantboy777

I had a neighbor in Michigan who only had a couple of acres, but he managed to turn that into a very impressive backyard farm. Seemed to largely feed his family from it.


30 posted on 03/01/2012 11:03:42 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: blam

Noticed that Costco is selling buckets of storable food this week. I guess they always have it, but they are featuring it this week, and this year they have a whole bucket of seeds.


31 posted on 03/01/2012 11:04:18 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: blam
The next day, a bigger and even hungrier herd arrives wanting your stuff.

My Dad's bigger than your Dad!

32 posted on 03/01/2012 11:05:08 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Buckeye McFrog

http://www.backyardfoodproduction.com/

Great resource DVD/CD available here.


33 posted on 03/01/2012 11:05:19 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: blam

Might I suggest this:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/


34 posted on 03/01/2012 11:05:49 AM PST by RonboTex (Get off my lawn!!!!!!!!)
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To: allmendream
When they arrive the dogs will bark, the snipers will take up their positions, and the “long pig” will end up getting fed to the “short” pigs.

Exactamundo.

35 posted on 03/01/2012 11:06:20 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do all He commands. Receive all He promises.)
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To: 556x45
Im not sure those preparing have really come to ‘peace’ with that reality.

Where the hell did you get THAT damn fool idea?

36 posted on 03/01/2012 11:07:07 AM PST by papertyger
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To: gdani
I'm heading to her place after Armageddon hits.

LOL, I have an anti-gun, liberal, electric car owning, electric lawnmower owning weenie neighbor. He saw me and a cop buddy of mine get out of my truck one day as he was pulling weeds. We pulled out my M1918 watercooled machinegun and took it inside with tripod, barrels, etc.

Neighbor knew I was "into guns", but never knew I had something THAT big. His comment was the same as yours, "I know where to go when the world ends".......and I looked him straight in the eye and said, "Then you'll be the first man I kill since you are supposed to protect your own family, not me. In addition, I won't be here".

Well, needless to say, my neighbors face looked like I just skinned a baby harp seal in front of him.....and I stopped getting "Holiday Cards" from them.

No loss to me, my catfish farm and chipper shredder are ready in case he shows up to our Bug Out Location, that is if we don't string him up first as a warning to others.

37 posted on 03/01/2012 11:08:36 AM PST by DCBryan1 ("Forget the lawyers, FIRST kill the journalists!"- Die Ritter, die "nee" sagen)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I think Prepping is about to go main-stream.

Maybe I'll write a song, "I was prepping when prepping wasn't cool."

LOL.

38 posted on 03/01/2012 11:09:55 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

The only way that even preppers have a chance beyond their own stores, is to band togther, to be part of a working quick reaction militia. Safety in numbers. No single prepper can survive an attack in numbers without outside help, even if the attackers are using clubs.


39 posted on 03/01/2012 11:11:59 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: allmendream
What I wish to point out is that the vast majority of people in America wouldn’t even know where to BEGIN producing food from 2 acres of land.

It's not just knowledge - it's also equipment. And for people who do know what they're doing - and have basic tools - - they'll lack fuel for machines - fertilizers for plants, etc.

40 posted on 03/01/2012 11:12:45 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: blam

My old tag line is back in vogue!


41 posted on 03/01/2012 11:13:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: SgtHooper
"The only way that even preppers have a chance beyond their own stores, is to band togther, to be part of a working quick reaction militia. Safety in numbers. No single prepper can survive an attack in numbers without outside help, even if the attackers are using clubs. "

Exactly. I'm already part of a neighborhood group.

42 posted on 03/01/2012 11:16:40 AM PST by blam
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To: RonboTex

Natgeo’s “doomsday preppers” is run by a bunch of jerks with no principles who intend to discredit “preppers” to the maximum extent possible.


43 posted on 03/01/2012 11:17:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: GOPJ
It's not just knowledge - it's also equipment. And for people who do know what they're doing - and have basic tools - - they'll lack fuel for machines - fertilizers for plants, etc.

What a brilliant observation!

All that meticulous planning and equipment acquisition and never a thought on what to run it off of...

meh.

44 posted on 03/01/2012 11:18:39 AM PST by papertyger
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To: RonboTex
Thanks. I've watched every episode to date.

I'm encouraged because the neighbors call each other to remind each to watch.

45 posted on 03/01/2012 11:20:04 AM PST by blam
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To: IMR 4350
I just put two wild hogs in my freezer a few weeks ago. About 150#’s of meat.

How long would that pig meat last without electric power to your freezer for - say - 8 months?

And the other pigs running around - maybe 100 pounds each - how long would they feed a family without a freezer? Each pig would last less than three days unless you have the means and know-how to dry preserve meat. Then again every other family in the area will be after the same pigs - so curing them might not be an issue.

46 posted on 03/01/2012 11:20:15 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: DCBryan1

We have had various friends tell us.....come the revolution we know where to go. My response is always....don’t bother.
They all get a puzzled look on their face.


47 posted on 03/01/2012 11:20:31 AM PST by sheana
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To: blam

No mention of anything for heat? Those solar panels won’t make enough elec for heating in northern states. Two acres won’t produce enough wood for heating, it will take 5-10 acres just for that.


48 posted on 03/01/2012 11:20:49 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: sneakers

bttt


49 posted on 03/01/2012 11:21:00 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: DCBryan1

Can I borrow this? Funny as hell.


50 posted on 03/01/2012 11:23:56 AM PST by USAF80
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