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NFL: Saints defense had 'bounty' fund
ESPN ^ | March 2, 2012 | Adam Schefter

Posted on 03/02/2012 2:41:59 PM PST by toast

Between 22 and 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints, as well as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, maintained a "bounty" program funded primarily by players in violation of NFL rules during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, the NFL announced Friday.

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Penalties for this one should be serious.
1 posted on 03/02/2012 2:42:02 PM PST by toast
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To: toast

Wow....Poor sportsmanship at its worst.


2 posted on 03/02/2012 2:46:35 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: toast

I see nothing wrong with this at all. It’s a physical game.

In the ‘old days’ of the NFL, teams used to do this with good effect. Think of it as an employee incentive bonus.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 2:48:21 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

What’s wrong with it is there are rules explicitly against it. Not to mention the fact that it’s a cap violation. We can argue that it shouldn’t be against the rules, we can point to history, but the fact remains it’s very much against not 1 but 2 sets of rules.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 2:50:41 PM PST by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: KoRn

“... included “bounty” payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.”

You read this part and still saw “nothing wrong with this at all.”?


5 posted on 03/02/2012 2:50:52 PM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: toast

A year’s suspension from the league would be about reasonable.


6 posted on 03/02/2012 2:52:04 PM PST by varmintman
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To: toast

For once, a bunch of union guys want to participate in merit pay bonuses and this happens./sarc


7 posted on 03/02/2012 2:56:18 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: varmintman

As a Vikings fan that watched Farve repeatedly hit late in the 2009 NFC Championship game, I feel the saints should be stripped of their Superbowl win. Maybe even lose 1st round draft picks for the next 2 years.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 2:57:04 PM PST by toast
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To: toast

Sounds like something out of the movie Slap Shot. Dr Hook McCraken.


9 posted on 03/02/2012 3:00:27 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Flightdeck

I heard a Steeler player in a bar (South Side) say its done all the time. Not by his team of course. Said New England was the worst. He said, payback is a bitch for them and that too happens all the time.


10 posted on 03/02/2012 3:01:28 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: toast

You took the words right out of my mouth. What I couldn’t understand in that game was the refs blind spot to Farve being thrown around. I wouldn’t be surprised if refs got a kick back to the “bonus” pot.


11 posted on 03/02/2012 3:04:41 PM PST by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: discostu; Flightdeck

Ok, I’ll concede that it shouldn’t be done, given how it’s against the rules. With regard to “hurting people”... It’s football. What is a very physical game by design. Here lately, the league and Players Association would almost put skirts on ALL of them.(it used to be just quarterbacks and kickers)


12 posted on 03/02/2012 3:09:08 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

I like a good hard hit as much as the next guy. It’s what makes the game great. But Warner retired after his concussion. Farve was never the same after a great 2009.
Purposely trying to injure players risks their livelihood and affects more than just the injured player.
After all the concussion debate lately this is going to bring crushing sanctions to the Saints.


13 posted on 03/02/2012 3:20:48 PM PST by toast
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To: toast
Penalties for this one should be serious.

Willfully trying to injure an opposing player (especially for bonuses) that could possibly end their career should result in a permanent ban from the sport.

14 posted on 03/02/2012 3:44:14 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: KoRn
In the ‘old days’ of the NFL, teams used to do this with good effect.

Facial forechecking, blatant high sticking, slashing and tripping at the boards would have a wonderful effect in hockey too........

15 posted on 03/02/2012 3:47:54 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: toast
Good thing Dog didn't hear about this!


16 posted on 03/02/2012 3:52:16 PM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: KoRn

This is not the old days. Jack Lambert came into the NFL at 205, middle LB. we now have guys 300 lbs plus running 5.0 in the forty. The game has drastically changed but the brain has stayed the same.

I was born in Blitzburg but the days of Big Daddy Lipsom sacking TA Title are over. They are all Big Daddy and they are dangerous.

I have read Jim Brown’s book and it was pretty tough in his time on a relatIve basis. Today is different. We have a league full of thugs that have no problem of taking someone out. It is legal.


17 posted on 03/02/2012 4:02:34 PM PST by mmanager (NEWT - The Chruchill of our time!)
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To: toast

I know NOTHING about sports. However, wasn’t there a problem w/ Pete Rose (I think that was him, the one not allowed into the baseball HOF) betting on games he was playing in?

Perhaps not the same thing here, but to have “bounties” to purposefully injure a player out of a game seems ungamely to me.....as to injuring a player on purpose.

They both seem to play along the lines of “throwing” a game.


18 posted on 03/02/2012 4:04:11 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: toast

It was apparent that they were out to hurt Brett Favre in the playoffs a couple of years ago. As bad as this is, the NFL officials are the ones that should be the most severely punished, because they consistently looked the other way!


19 posted on 03/02/2012 4:11:41 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: rabidralph

Good one!
BTTT!


20 posted on 03/02/2012 4:36:51 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: toast

It was apparent that they were out to hurt Brett Favre in the playoffs a couple of years ago. As bad as this is, the NFL officials are the ones that should be the most severely punished, because they consistently looked the other way!


21 posted on 03/02/2012 5:18:21 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: toast

I agree, with one change. Minnesota should get those #1 picks.

Viking would have won the game, plus the Super bowl against Indy.

I always said I thought the League wanted New Orleans to go all the way because of the whole Katrina hurricane hit they took, because they referees were allowing way too many late hits on Favre. Then the league never fined any players the next week like they usually would.

Even Rush commented about the beating Favre took and the way he thought the refs went easy on NO.


22 posted on 03/02/2012 5:31:19 PM PST by OneVike ((Just a Christian waiting to go home) internet ID:: impeachobamanow)
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To: toast

NFL penalties and fines aside, this looks like a felonious criminal conspiracy to assault.


23 posted on 03/02/2012 5:53:33 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

They run out of cash when they played the 49ers?
DB’s , linebackers, all defensive players take pride in hitting hard.
Some want to hurt you and they’ll do it without extra incentive.
Just ask Dick Butkus. Nothing to see here...yawn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBumQdwc-tE


24 posted on 03/02/2012 6:13:35 PM PST by TsonicTsunami08
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To: toast

You Vikings fans still can’t get over losing to the Saints in 2009. Some of the poorest losers I’ve ever seen.


25 posted on 03/02/2012 6:19:25 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Darren McCarty

Tim McCracken: Hundred bucks says you're gonna crack my skull.
Ned Braden: I wouldn't crack your knuckles for a hundred bucks.
Tim McCracken: So, he's bluffing.
Ned Braden: Somebody's gonna kill you, ya dumb son of a bitch, but it's not gonna be me.

26 posted on 03/02/2012 6:20:48 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: KoRn

If he paid a the players to inflict game ending injuries on other players, they must have done a lousy job of it. I don’t remember any more injuries on the oppononents than any other team. As far as Brett Favre is concerned, I’ve never seen such a cry-baby in all my life. He actually laid out on the field in one game of his last season, so much so that the announcers thought he had been seriously injured. Turned out he cut his chin.


27 posted on 03/02/2012 6:24:33 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: toast
It's the officials that stood there and watched as Favre was hit late and viciously time after time, without doing a thing to stop it, that are more to blame than any coach or player.

If the first one resulted in 15 yards, and the second one in an ejection, it would have ended it.

28 posted on 03/02/2012 6:45:41 PM PST by ltbigv
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To: toast

Except the “late hits” were reviewed over and over again after the game and were not there. Brees was hit just as “late” and as often.


29 posted on 03/02/2012 6:55:55 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: toast

One day story. If that. Compare it to the years of garment rending over steroids in baseball. Gonna’ be Congressional hearings and a SOTU mention about this barbarity?

The NFL is a TV show, not a sport.


30 posted on 03/02/2012 7:20:06 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Sheep and insects need leaders.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“Willfully trying to injure an opposing player (especially for bonuses) that could possibly end their career should result in a permanent ban from the sport. “

I agree 100%.


31 posted on 03/02/2012 7:28:43 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: murron

Didn’t Favre start in like, 100,000 consecutive games? Hardly what I would call a ‘wimp’. Then again, maybe he got lazy in his old age.


32 posted on 03/02/2012 8:13:59 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: chooseascreennamepat

And then you have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Tatum


33 posted on 03/02/2012 8:17:48 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: Flightdeck

“... included “bounty” payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.”

There wasn’t any bounty or money involved but we did this in high school 60 years ago.


34 posted on 03/02/2012 8:24:04 PM PST by dalereed
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To: KoRn

Whether he is a. wimp or not, he sure acted like one


35 posted on 03/02/2012 8:26:07 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: toast

Losing two first round picks isn’t close to bad enough for this one. Saints coaches should all be banned from the league for life, the team taken out of the league for at least one year, and the present owners forced to sell the franchise for whatever they can get for it. The team should never be allowed to play another NFL game under present ownership.


36 posted on 03/02/2012 8:44:42 PM PST by varmintman
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To: NoGrayZone

Back in the mid 80’s, the Redskins quarterback (Theismann) was very badly injured in a MNF game vs the NY Giants. Career-ending. He’d been injured by Lawrence Taylor. You could see the pain in Taylor’s face and physical reaction while Theismann was on the ground to think he’d caused that injury. It sure didn’t look ilke Taylor was thinking in terms of any ‘bonus’ for taking Theismann out.


37 posted on 03/02/2012 8:58:24 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: toast
Dang, now the (icky) lawyers and (ugh) congress will get involved, and we will not recognize the game.

Dang.

.

38 posted on 03/02/2012 9:31:18 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: toast

If the NFL was serious, all the Saints’ 2012 draft picks would be void in addition to heavy fines and possible suspensions.


39 posted on 03/02/2012 9:50:52 PM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: NoGrayZone
Funny that you should bring up Pete Rose in this connection, given how he ended Ray Fosse's career...

NO cheers, unfortunately.

40 posted on 03/03/2012 4:08:51 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: murron
You Vikings fans still can’t get over losing to the Saints in 2009. Some of the poorest losers I’ve ever seen.

No, the Saints are vermin.

Favre was and is a franchise-level, Hall-of-Fame player; and to see a bunch of ghetto thugs lining up to try to injure him, and the officials turn the other way, is reprehensible, on the order of the Chicago Black Sox scandal.

You must be an Obaama voter.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

41 posted on 03/03/2012 4:12:45 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: KoRn

Look up the details of Chris Henry’s autopsy, and then remember that he never missed a single game in the pros or college due to head injury. There’s a reason the league and PA are freaking out about injuries, the data is saying these guys are literally killing themselves playing the game. With the data we have now a conscientious parent wouldn’t let their kid play the game, and if kids aren’t playing the game then you don’t get the next generation of adults to play the game. Yes there is a certain minimum level of violence in the game, but they have to mitigate the risk, they’ve got to keep it a game that mom’s will let their kids play, or it ends.


42 posted on 03/03/2012 6:43:18 AM PST by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: grey_whiskers

Wow! I really must have hit a sore spot. From talking sports to being an Obama voter. Gingrich is my man, followed second by Santorum. Didn’t even get accused of being a Romney voter. You Brett Favre people should get over it. The Saints won. Favre should have retired long before he ever played that game. His ego wouldn’t even let him retire the next season, where his insistance on playing another year cost the Vikings big time. He’s an egotistical selfish cry-baby. He was great in his day, but he stayed in too long. I’m sure the interception he threw that cost his team the game was all the Saints fault. Sounds like you are more the Obama voter. Blame it on someone else. It’s never your fault.


43 posted on 03/03/2012 9:39:23 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: toast

Agreed. Give the championship to the Vikes. Ban the players and coaches from the NFL, and make them do community service in a hospital. I knew the (s)aints were evil!


44 posted on 03/03/2012 10:01:58 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: murron

I suppose you wouldn’t mind if someone paid a guy to injure your son? Say, wreck a knee or break an ankle?


45 posted on 03/03/2012 10:03:45 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: murron
Farve's injuries.
46 posted on 03/03/2012 10:41:24 AM PST by toast
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To: KoRn
"I see nothing wrong with this at all. It’s a physical game."

Oh boy, so you would really enjoy seeing all of the New Orleans Saints have season-ending injuries in the first game of the season, right? Hey, it's a physical game....

All players that participated in this should be told they will have to skip camp and can't suit up until the 5th game of the season.

47 posted on 03/03/2012 11:21:43 AM PST by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Abigail Adams

I’m not arguing the merits of the “bounty”. Of course that’s wrong. I’m arguing to the Brett Favre fans who have been saying that the Saints cheated to win the playoff game in 2009. When the Saints won the game in overtime because they won the toss and drove to a winning field goal, they weren’t happy until the NFL changed the rules just because the Saints beat the Vikings in OT. The Vikings fans and I suppose some Green Bay fans were looking for any excuse except for the fact that their guy didn’t play his best game.

Last year, San Francisco was one of the dirtiest playing teams in football. One of their players got suspended for stomping on a player who was down. The Saints lost to the 49ers in a playoff game this past year. I haven’t heard the Saints complaining that they lost because the other team didn’t play fair.

As far as my son having a bounty on his head to be injured, he was in the Marines in Afghanistan. I suppose you could say he was a wanted man by the Taliban.


48 posted on 03/03/2012 4:19:30 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron
The Obaama voter was because you attempted to justify bad behaviour on the part of people you liked, by attributed false motives to those calling them on it.

Typical Dem tactic.

Cheers!

49 posted on 03/03/2012 4:23:24 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: toast

So Brett Favre is the only player in football with bruises after a game? I find that hard to believe. I’ll bet if you take pictures of more than half of the players in any given game, there will be bruises on their bodies that will look worse than those. My sons played football in high school and they frequently had bruises on their bodies from a rough game. It’s football! Not flag football. I remember reading many posts during football season on FB complaining how the NFL was trying to turn the players into wusses and make football more of a flag football game.

I’m just wondering why the conversation is only about St. Brett? I don’t hear a lot of hoopla from other players or teams. If he can’t take the hits, he shouldn’t be in the game.


50 posted on 03/03/2012 4:33:51 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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