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BREAKING: Mitt Romney Urged Obama to Embrace the Individual Mandate
Red State ^ | March 2, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 03/02/2012 4:15:43 PM PST by red flanker

Had Michigan not been as close, the Democrats would have waited to spring this on us in the general election. Luckily we have it now and I hope Ohio voters are paying attention.

In July 2009, Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in USA Today urging Barack Obama to usean individual mandate at the national level to control healthcare costs.

On the campaign trail now, Mitt Romney says the individual mandate is appropriate for Massachusetts, but not the nation. Repeatedly in debates, Romney has said he opposes a national individual mandate.

But back in 2009, as Barack Obama was formulating his healthcare vision for the country, Mitt Romney encouraged him publicly to use an individual mandate. In his op-ed, Governor Romney suggested that the federal government learn from Massachusetts how to make healthcare available for all.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: healthcare; individualmandate; obama; obamacare; romney; romney4obama; romney4obamacare; romneybigdigs; romneybringsdeath; romneycare; romneycare4ever; romneycare4everyone; romneycare4u; romneydeathpanels; romneylies; romneymarriage; romneytheliar
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To: annieokie

Hum...


51 posted on 03/02/2012 5:16:56 PM PST by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: red flanker

Regulation of the human body has set the framework for Arbeitsziehungslager. And note the evil already being manifested as we speak, from those Exempted Ones, to those given waivers. Everyone else, a target.

Regulation of the human body, belongs only to the Holy Spirit. “Know ye not that, the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and ye are not your own.” ?


53 posted on 03/02/2012 5:21:49 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: red flanker

Regulation of the human body has set the framework for Arbeitsziehungslager. And note the evil already being manifested as we speak, from those Exempted Ones, to those given waivers. Everyone else, a target.

Regulation of the human body, belongs only to the Holy Spirit. “Know ye not that, the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and ye are not your own.” ?


54 posted on 03/02/2012 5:21:49 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: entropy12

Your kidding, right?

Regardless of free loaders, the “cure” of Romneycare/Obamacare is far worse than the supposed disease of freeloading.

And government controlled HC isn’t even about freeloaders or HC. It’s about taking away the people’s rights and freedoms. IF you don’t know that by now, what planet are you from?


55 posted on 03/02/2012 5:23:54 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: EGPWS

It is not about health care, it has NEVER been...it is about controlling us, and ridding the planet of those who oppose their Utopia...we are human debris, those of us who champion Liberty.....so THEY say...


56 posted on 03/02/2012 5:25:22 PM PST by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: entropy12

So you support Romney, do you?


57 posted on 03/02/2012 5:28:10 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: RIghtwardHo
You vote for Romney and you’re Liberal.

Dear Troll, if you fail to vote against Obama, you are a communist fellow traveler or A USEFUL IDIOT!

58 posted on 03/02/2012 5:29:39 PM PST by neocon1984
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To: entropy12

Again, you’re kidding, right?

You are for mandates but against government run insurance??

Sounds like you don’t know that mandates come by government passed laws.

Duh.


59 posted on 03/02/2012 5:30:58 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: DNA.2012
Meanwhile, tons of Republicans keep voting for Romney in primaries!

The split in the GOP is deep and wide, between those who believe things can go on as they are, if better managed, and those who believe the old order is finished.

The nomination process, as designed, cannot resolve this tension.

60 posted on 03/02/2012 5:37:40 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Bronzy

That explains his little deal with Pam Bondi to make Romneycare go nationwide....


61 posted on 03/02/2012 5:40:35 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Ron Paul and Romney in alliance to take out the conservatives in this election)
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To: DNA.2012

They do because he told them he will get rid of Obamacare and the media says that is true..

He must sound convincing. But they believe him at their own risk.


62 posted on 03/02/2012 5:41:26 PM PST by dforest
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To: entropy12

Guess what? mandates are going to cost you even more. The worst part is those freeloaders will still pay nothing, but you will pay more.

Hell of a deal, ain’t it?


63 posted on 03/02/2012 5:44:01 PM PST by dforest
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To: red flanker

OMG....Newt and Rick should do nothing but call for Mittens to withdraw....every day, every hour...is he STILL in?....why doesn’t he take over HHS for Obama...? (etc)


64 posted on 03/02/2012 5:51:36 PM PST by montag813
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To: entropy12

“I am in favor of mandates because I am sick and tired of having to pay higher healthcare premiums to pay for those who do not bother to buy insurance”

This is the same lie Romney uses.

After he created mandates in Mass. the cost of healthcare increased.

Also, insurance premiums don’t increase because of the uninsured. That is a complete lie. The hospitals and states foot the bill, not the insurance companies.

Why are you parroting Mittens and Obamas lies?


65 posted on 03/02/2012 6:08:39 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: txrangerette

I see quite a difference between requiring someone to have health insurance and a government run insurance program. I understand entropy12’s position as long as only PRIVATE health insurance is involved. Everyone on here is so concerned about being forced to pay for other people’s health care. That is EXACTLY what you are doing with ANY health insurance program. The healthy pay for the sick and if you are lucky enough not to get sick then you end up paying for everyone else. The other point he makes is that we are paying RIGHT NOW for everyone who goes to the E.R. because they don’t have health insurance. Who do you think is paying for that? The health insurance fairy? WE ARE, through taxes, higher hospital costs, etc. I would rather these people have to pay for their own health insurance so they go to a regular doctor then to go to the much more expensive E.R. and stick us taxpayers with the bill. Flame away, but don’t just call me liberal, etc. (I am FAR from it), but tell me why I am wrong, if you can.


66 posted on 03/02/2012 6:15:39 PM PST by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?XX Guess not. I GIVE UP)
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To: gaijin

how many times have his apologists said as long as its at the state level its okay??

Now we learn this!?


67 posted on 03/02/2012 6:15:59 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
This is all I know about Blondi:
Bondi is the lead attorney general in the lawsuit seeking to overturn Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), Florida et al v. United States Department of Health and Human Services. In the lawsuit the State of Florida and 26 other states have argued that the individual mandate provision of the PPACA violates the Constitution.
68 posted on 03/02/2012 6:21:48 PM PST by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: kevao
"This bombshell USA Today editorial from less than three years ago surfaces only now? Don’t Santorum and Gingrich have anyone doing opposition research?"

I just was pointing that out to my son when I saw your post.

I guess the rest are just pretend candidates ... not kidding - it makes you wonder.

Yoo hoo? Sarah? Col/West? Gotta be 20 million choices out there and this crew is what we get? I will vote but jeez louise!

69 posted on 03/02/2012 6:28:32 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Timaeus

While you’re correct and he’s wrong, I think calling him a scumbag is a bit harsh and inappropriate.


70 posted on 03/02/2012 6:28:53 PM PST by conservativebuckeye
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To: entropy12

“I consider myself as fiscal & monetary conservative and I am in favor of mandates”

Dont take it personal if your a recovering Dem you are going to get trashed around here. It takes a while to wash out the Dogma. If your just trolling from somewhere else your wasting your time.


71 posted on 03/02/2012 7:04:13 PM PST by Bailee (Vote Newt the Pitt bull we need. Energy Independence and we bow to NO foreign dictator.)
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To: entropy12; Lurker

troll/noob


72 posted on 03/02/2012 7:11:00 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: entropy12

Why should I have to support these free loaders?

With or without ObamaCare we’ll still be supporting these free loaders. They’re not going to disappear and it’s likely that with this economy we’ll see many more of them. We’re about to experience a disaster in America’s healthcare system. Government can mandate us to death but it won’t change a thing, won’t lower prices, won’t insure everyone and there will be more cheats, more corruption, more fraud and higher healthcare use than before this outrage was passed without being read by any of our leaders.


73 posted on 03/02/2012 7:12:15 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: All

The problem with Mittens is that RomneyCare Mandates at the State level are just as bad as at the federal level. Just ask the people in Mass.


74 posted on 03/02/2012 7:12:56 PM PST by Bailee (Vote Newt the Pitt bull we need. Energy Independence and we bow to NO foreign dictator.)
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To: entropy12
You're not paying healthcare premiums. You're paying insurance premiums. That is your choice to make. Why should I have to support these free loaders? Why must the hospital go through lot of legal expense to try to recover the unpaid bills? I'm self-employed. I have limited insurance options. My eyecare and dental is not covered by my insurance. Not everyone who doesn't have insurance is a freeloader. I pay my bills. As for legal expenses, that's called standard collections procedure the same as credit cards or other debt.

The system isn't perfect and I'd love to see insurance go away forever. However having big government, especially the feds, come in and have me pay an 8% fine or debtors PRISON for five years for not paying it, is beyond unconscionable. There is nothing in favor of mandates. I don't give a damn what the heritage foundation or anything else says. It's big government.

75 posted on 03/02/2012 7:16:37 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: umgud

It’s breaking news because it’s exposing the imposter now even if it was written in the past.

I have never believed Romney would repeal Obamacare. I don’t think the majority of Americans understand the destructive irreversible damage if that bill is not repealed.


76 posted on 03/02/2012 7:18:47 PM PST by Kenny
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To: red flanker

Romney is the Republican version of John Kerry.


77 posted on 03/02/2012 7:24:01 PM PST by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: entropy12

The Heritage scholars later backed away from mandates. It was a burst of idiocy they now regret. Mandates inevitably bankrupt insurance companies because greedy government forces the insurance companies to cover EVERYTHING. Free health insurance for all!!

The mandates can’t keep up. A huge shortfall in revenue results. So government has to step in to pick up the pieces. As government always does.


78 posted on 03/02/2012 7:24:06 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: red flanker

Romney is Lenin to Obama’s Marx to Hillary’s Stalin to Napoletano’s Goebbels.


79 posted on 03/02/2012 7:30:04 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: red flanker
Had Michigan not been as close, the Democrats would have waited to spring this on us in the general election. Luckily we have it now and I hope Ohio voters are paying attention. In July 2009, Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in USA Today urging Barack Obama to use an individual mandate at the national level to control healthcare costs.

And why exactly did the conservatives need the Democrats to reveal a published op-ed in USA Today?

80 posted on 03/02/2012 7:30:12 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: entropy12
Your health care insurance premiums are not increasing due to any "freeloaders", they are increasing because of government mandated "free" coverage - like contraceptive services. I am a 55 year old male, why can't I purchase a health insurance policy that only covers my needs. Why should I be required to pay for women's health services? Why can't I simply purchase a policy that covers me for major accidents and illnesses? You can get "minimum coverage" for auto insurance, why not health insurance? I can negotiate "cash" rates with my doctor, I don't need an HMO or "preventative services". Why does the government mandate that I have to have them in my policy? Get the government out of health care and allow the market to naturally compete, and the costs will plumment.
81 posted on 03/02/2012 7:44:37 PM PST by Conservative_Rob
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To: red flanker

http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/mitt-romney-2002-im-a-moderate-with-progressive-views/

Now why would a self-described ‘moderate with progressive views” do that??

lol


82 posted on 03/02/2012 8:17:06 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: MissMagnolia
He also was pro Cap and Trade for MA, even consulted John Holdren.
83 posted on 03/02/2012 8:21:04 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Jim Noble

Then what will?


84 posted on 03/02/2012 8:39:25 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012
Then what will?

The failure of the GOP to nominate an opponent to Obama (Romney is not an opponent) is going to provoke a political crisis the scope of which we have not seen since 1860.

There are several possibilities, none of them very good.

First, there will be a straight-up Obama-Romney contest which will lead to Obama's reelection.

Second, a true opponent will emerge AFTER Romney locks it up and BEFORE the convention.

Third, the party will split AT the convention and there will be no official nominee.

Fourth, there will be widespread violence BEFORE the convention, a "can't we all just get along" ticket will emerge (Richardson-Huntsman, Boren-Snowe, etc), and conservatives will be locked out completely. I could go on.

The main point is that the "fundamental transformation of the United States of America" was and is a call for war, and, one way or another, war is coming. The last normal prewar election has already happened. The first postwar election can't happen until conservatives are eliminated "by any means necessary" OR the Left is eliminated, again, by any means necessary.

Interesting times.

85 posted on 03/02/2012 8:51:55 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: MissMagnolia

Just now coming out?


86 posted on 03/02/2012 9:03:05 PM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

I am against all free handouts. You are making an illogical argument when you say that the freeloaders who can afford insurance but do not buy it. There are hundreds of thousands of these people who end up in hospital and then can’t afford the humongous bill without help from insurance.

My wife was hospitalized for 2 days for outpatient surgery and the hospital bill was $40,000. Good thing we have insurance. Otherwise others would be stuck with our bill.

As for mandates, it must be a state issue, not federal. If I do not like mandates on a state I can move to another.

I fully agree with you that a catastrophic only coverage should be available. So should you be allowed to purchase insurance from out of state. The insurance should be portable from job to job. Groups should be allowed to form so you can buy in bulk instead of as individual.

Many reforms are needed. What we have now is not working, and the solution is not one size fits all national Obamacare.


87 posted on 03/02/2012 9:12:14 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: heye2monn

please See my post above.


89 posted on 03/02/2012 9:13:48 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: Joan Kerrey

Health care is certainly out of control cost wise as it now exists. The mandate I am talking about is not nation wide. Each state should be free to legislate as it sees fit for their need. Also, any mandate should never include everything as you say. I am talking about a policy which would only cover catastrophic medical expense.


90 posted on 03/02/2012 9:20:06 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: Jim Noble
First, there will be a straight-up Obama-Romney contest which will lead to Obama's reelection.

That is looking probable.

The main point is that the "fundamental transformation of the United States of America" was and is a call for war, and, one way or another, war is coming.

Many Republicans will sell out all that they claim to believe in for a penny on the dollar: a little tax break, another Middle East war, a few less regulations. With promises of such crumbs made to them, they will support Romney.

The first postwar election can't happen until conservatives are eliminated "by any means necessary"

That's happening: anti-Christian immorality is imposed by judicial decree, the private sector is converted to being just another part of the public sector, and free speech is stomped on with a brutality that makes Nazis look slow-moving in comparison.

OR the Left is eliminated, again, by any means necessary.

Regarding that, what do you recommend?

91 posted on 03/02/2012 9:57:25 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: red flanker

Whoa. This needs to spread!


92 posted on 03/02/2012 9:59:00 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorum 2012)
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To: conservaterian
I would rather these people have to pay for their own health insurance so they go to a regular doctor then to go to the much more expensive E.R. and stick us taxpayers with the bill.

The government has no power to force an illegal immigrant to buy insurance. This illegal will still go to the ER, and the ER will treat him just the same.

Lots of other people, not illegals, are getting government assistance. That assistance is less than the premiums that Obamacare is about to saddle us all with. These people will not be paying anything (they legally can't.) This means that not working (or working unofficially) just became even more profitable.

Lots of other people do not want insurance. Insurance is needed only when you cannot afford something. If you can, you are better off self-insuring. Majority of large businesses are self-insured, and anyone who is "sufficiently" wealthy can also do the same. Insurance companies are working for profit. You can become your own insurance company and keep the profit. If you have a $100K in liquid assets you may be already good to go this way. If you need more, chances are it's not treatable anyway, and you will do better if you just use the money in a more worthy way. There are also groups of people (some are church-based, other are not) that do the same within the group; this allows you to join with zero capital and invest as you go. In essence, that is a commune-based, not for profit insurance company.

And, of course, requiring anyone to buy a commercial product is completely insane from every point of view. Such a mandate is deeply offensive and has no place in a free society. A free man cannot be forced to pay just because he is alive.

93 posted on 03/02/2012 11:18:07 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard
The government has no power to force an illegal immigrant to buy insurance. This illegal will still go to the ER, and the ER will treat him just the same.
Illegals are an entire different story and discussion - treat true emergencies only, then deport them all.
Lots of other people do not want insurance. Insurance is needed only when you cannot afford something. If you can, you are better off self-insuring. Majority of large businesses are self-insured, and anyone who is "sufficiently" wealthy can also do the same. Insurance companies are working for profit. You can become your own insurance company and keep the profit. If you have a $100K in liquid assets you may be already good to go this way. If you need more, chances are it's not treatable anyway, and you will do better if you just use the money in a more worthy way. There are also groups of people (some are church-based, other are not) that do the same within the group; this allows you to join with zero capital and invest as you go. In essence, that is a commune-based, not for profit insurance company
I have no problem with the self-insured, individuals or groups.But they have to show they are sufficiently capitalized. Don't expect anyone to bail you out if you run out of $$. Your group needs to take up the slack.
And, of course, requiring anyone to buy a commercial product is completely insane from every point of view. Such a mandate is deeply offensive and has no place in a free society.
So how do you feel about car insurance? Should we allow any yahoo to run around without liability insurance? Do you really want to pay the vastly increased premiums on YOUR policy because of them?
94 posted on 03/03/2012 3:54:14 AM PST by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?XX Guess not. I GIVE UP)
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To: red flanker
OBOMNEY
95 posted on 03/03/2012 4:25:26 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Ann Coulter isn't about conservatism. Ann Coulter is about Ann Coulter.)
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To: DNA.2012
Regarding that, what do you recommend?

I'm too old to go bushwhacking.

96 posted on 03/03/2012 4:31:12 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: conservaterian
treat true emergencies only

You have to spend a lot of money to find out if the complaint is a "true emergency" - or you have to ban lawsuits for error.

97 posted on 03/03/2012 4:33:18 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: entropy12

So we’re both against gov mandates. Heritage, too. That’s good. But I think your first post threw us off a little bit.


98 posted on 03/03/2012 4:41:16 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: entropy12

Why should I have to support these free loaders?

Why should healthy people pay for sick old people? Maybe the government should get out of medicine all together.


99 posted on 03/03/2012 5:31:56 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: kevao

why didn’t you locate this yourself? Why are you counting on a santotum volunteer to find this? Romney pours millions into oppo research. Santorum has a few hundred volunteers


100 posted on 03/03/2012 6:24:11 AM PST by delms
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