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Russia Complains About Norwegian Defenses
Strategy Page ^ | 3/2/2012 | Strategy Page

Posted on 03/02/2012 10:37:08 PM PST by U-238

Russia has threatened Norway with unspecified retaliation if Norway goes along with American suggestions that five Norwegian Nansen class frigates, equipped with the Aegis radar system, are upgraded to use the Aegis BMD (Ballistic Missile Defense) system. Norway has gotten this kind of abuse from Russia in the past, which was the main reason Norway joined NATO (as one of the founding members, in 1949). Norway does not like giving in to these threats, especially since they recently concluded 40 years of negotiations to settle a maritime border dispute with Russia. This enables both countries to proceed with oil and natural gas exploration. But ballistic missile defenses in neighboring nations have come to be seen as a threat to the Russians (or at least the current Russian leaders). The last of five Norwegian Nansen class frigates, the Thor Heyerdahl completed its sea trials and entered service a year ago. The 5,200 ton Nansen class ships were built in Spain and cost $600 million each. The 134 meter (433 foot long) Nansens have a top speed of 48 kilometers an hour. Weapons include eight NSM anti-ship missiles, 32 Evolved Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missiles (in an eight cell launcher), one 76mm gun, four 12.7mm machine-guns, four torpedo tubes, depth charges and one helicopter. The highly automated ships have radar, sonar, electronic countermeasures and a crew of 120. These ships are equipped with American Aegis radar systems, and their design is based on the the Spanish Alvaro de Bazán class Aegis ships. The U.S. guards it Aegis radar technology closely, and only five navies have ships using this AESA type radar and its powerful software.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aegis; aesa; bmd; nato; norway; russia; sm3

1 posted on 03/02/2012 10:37:15 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Yes, because Norway has been quite the aggressor over the years.

Can’t be too careful with those Viking Berserkers....


2 posted on 03/02/2012 10:42:34 PM PST by onona (Dicky Betts is one ramblin man !)
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To: onona

Actually, Norway will be in a position to intercept nuclear missiles fired from bases in Russia.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 11:38:27 PM PST by U-238
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To: onona

That Aegis crusier location has been chosen for years.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 11:39:19 PM PST by U-238
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To: onona

VIking berserkers run amok!

This is silliness for show and nobody is hurting Russia or threatening to do so. Norway should say so and then go ahead.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 11:40:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: U-238

Onesy twosies maybe, but a fusillade of them?


6 posted on 03/02/2012 11:41:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I liked how you used “fusillade”. These BMDs are assigned a target individually using the Aegis.


7 posted on 03/02/2012 11:44:19 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

I mean, I don’t think Russia would have trouble at all maxing out the Norwegian system. Whereas rogues like Iran could not. At least not yet.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 11:45:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If the missile is MIRVed it could max it out.Not Individually.Discrimination algorithms enable defense systems to compare objects in a target scene to determine which to intercept. SM-3 has flown and demonstrated fundamental discrimination capability for unitary threats.


9 posted on 03/02/2012 11:48:01 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

MIRVing doesn’t happen until somewhere at the top of the trajectory... that’s why they’re called independent re-entry vehicles. If Aegis caught one before it MIRVed, it would obviously prevent the MIRVing.


10 posted on 03/02/2012 11:51:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You are correct. But the SM-3 is designed to get them after they are launched, not when they are the boost phase.


11 posted on 03/02/2012 11:52:51 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

The SM-3 waits for MIRVs to MIRV?


12 posted on 03/02/2012 11:55:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: U-238

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13 posted on 03/02/2012 11:56:12 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The KW acquires the ballistic missile warhead with its
long-wavelength imaging infrared seeker.


14 posted on 03/02/2012 11:59:16 PM PST by U-238
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If you want a weapon that destroy the missile at the “boost phase” would be the ABL.


15 posted on 03/03/2012 12:03:09 AM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Of course, because God-forbid any country would be able to survive a Russian attack.


16 posted on 03/03/2012 12:04:54 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

The Russians are hypocrites. They have many decades in ABM defense. They have 100 Gazelle-Gorgon ABM missiles areound Moscow.


17 posted on 03/03/2012 12:10:45 AM PST by U-238
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To: Apollo5600

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-ABM-Systems.html


18 posted on 03/03/2012 12:14:14 AM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Actually, Norway will be in a position to intercept nuclear missiles fired from bases in Russia.

...and aimed at - what targets?

Regards,

19 posted on 03/03/2012 2:31:21 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: alexander_busek

NATO military targets and civilian cities. The usual targets for a first strikes


20 posted on 03/03/2012 2:33:32 AM PST by U-238
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To: alexander_busek

Actually I should say primary and economic targets.


21 posted on 03/03/2012 2:35:57 AM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

I don’t think Russia needs to be too worried. Our system probably uses GPS and the Internet to communicate, so it will be knocked out before we even know it.

The idea of secure communication and internal guidance is “so yesterday”.


22 posted on 03/03/2012 3:33:58 AM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: U-238
The Russians are hypocrites

Actually they are smart. They are seizing the opportunity given by the suggestion of some idiot American (but I repeat myself) to tell Norway to not do something Norway had no intention of doing, and couldn't do even if they wanted to.

Win for them because they know Norway can't "defy" then.

23 posted on 03/03/2012 5:40:30 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (We have nothing to fear except fear itself.... And bunnies.)
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To: U-238

only five navies have ships using this AESA type radar and its powerful software.

As long as one does not count the Chinese US originated AESA radar - stolen and/or “donated”.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 8:10:24 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Norway is part of NATO the last time I check. NATO’s defese is coordinated.


25 posted on 03/03/2012 3:31:22 PM PST by U-238
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