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Santorum: I'll beat Romney if Gingrich drops out
The Examiner ^ | March 4th, 2012 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 03/04/2012 12:20:40 PM PST by Mariner

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To: Kevmo; Jim Robinson
So Newt should just take his own advice and drop out.

You should of been dropped out of here a long time ago.
101 posted on 03/04/2012 9:06:33 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

You have some sort of problem with my conservative credentials?


102 posted on 03/04/2012 9:11:01 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: unspun

That’s your opinion of course, but he has won more states than Gingrich so he must be doing something right.


103 posted on 03/04/2012 9:17:08 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Steelfish

Santorum should have taken the honorable course that Pawlenty, Bachman, Cain, and Perry did and withdrawn after Gingrich romp in winning SC. His presence is causing a split in the conservative vote and Romney is shooting through the breach. Had Santorum dropped out, Gingrich would have won in MI and the Romney candidacy would have been up in flames. Santorum is now playing the role of “spoiler” and so we get Romney. Romney needs Santorum’s role as spoiler. Romney knows this. The $64,000 question is why doesn’t Santorum and his supporters know about it?


104 posted on 03/04/2012 9:27:02 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: 21twelve; Absolutely Nobama; AFPhys; afraidfortherepublic; AmericanInTokyo; ...
Instead wasting time bashing each other here on FR, we should be out spreading the word about our respective candidates. Tuesday is for all the marbles. Make the most of it!



Santorum for President ping. Let me know if you want on or off the list.

Top 10 Reasons why Conservatives should support Santorum

16 Reasons Why Mitt Romney Would Be a Really, Really Bad President
105 posted on 03/04/2012 9:46:20 PM PST by Antoninus (In states where Newt is ahead, vote Newt. In states where Rick is ahead, vote Rick. Defeat Romney.)
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To: ConfidentConservative

>> His presence is causing a split in the conservative vote

The essence of his campaign is that of indignation, and it’s not going to take us to the Presidency.


106 posted on 03/04/2012 9:46:20 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: ConfidentConservative

Why should Rick have dropped out? He is the one people are voting for, rather than NEWT or Romney. He’s correct that Newt dropping out would help him (Rick) get more votes.

I cannot say that I would have voted for Newt over Romney in Michigan unless Newt had mentioned a definite running mate like Alan West. I still see Newt as a Republican turn coat.


107 posted on 03/04/2012 9:52:52 PM PST by madison10
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To: Mariner
No he doesn't realize it and neither do his agitators here on FR.

Santorum is a cry baby. It's never his fault. It's Bush's fault he lost in 2006. He loves to lecture us on our lives. He's angry and petulant. He's like Obama without the personal charm. They certainly agreed on Sonya Sotomayor's great qualifications for judicial appointment.

Such a great conservative. /s

108 posted on 03/04/2012 9:56:09 PM PST by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: madison10

I was pointing out that it works both ways.

The voters will decide.

And that is the way it should be.


109 posted on 03/04/2012 10:00:19 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: ConfidentConservative

Agreed.


110 posted on 03/04/2012 10:02:26 PM PST by madison10
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To: CharlesWayneCT
>> Santorum wouldn’t have won Washington caucuses even if he had every Gingrich vote. <<

And Newt wouldn't have won Florida even if he had every Santorum vote (which didn't stop Newt's supporters from blaming Newt's loss on Rick Santorum and demanding he drop out back then)

111 posted on 03/04/2012 10:54:41 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Mariner
I think Santorum does not yet realize that there's a bigger anti-Santorum element in the GOP primary electorate than there is an anti-Romney contingent.

Anyone that favors Romney over Santorum isn't a conservative. RINOs and libertarians with a bug up their ass about social issues are the only ones that would favor Romney over Santorum.

Exiting polling shows Santorum in most states that have recently held primaries or caucuses overwhelmingly winning about the most conservative voters and those aligned with the Tea Party.

112 posted on 03/04/2012 11:11:35 PM PST by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: throwback

Wallace looked like an idiot and a communist. Santorum answered Wallace concerning the conscience clause, but Wallace kept on pushing it to the point where it made him, i.e., Wallace, look very bad.


113 posted on 03/04/2012 11:14:57 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Kazan

Exiting polling shows Santorum in most states that have recently held primaries or caucuses overwhelmingly winning about the most conservative voters and those aligned with the Tea Party.

Self identified.

In some states Romney has gotten so called Tea Party support.


114 posted on 03/04/2012 11:21:23 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Kazan
A voter favoring ROMNEY over SANTORUM would definitely, by definition, not be conservative. They would either be a RINO/Moderate, or lets say somebody so filled with spite over their candidate such as Newt Gingrich losing, that they would be in juvenile, "I'll take my marbles home and not play anymore" attitude. .... I cannot fathom it. Particularly right here within FR.

It would be the sames as a Santorum supporter supporting Romney, if Santorum dropped out and Gingrich were still in the race, just over bitterness. It makes no sense. ROMNEY IS THE ENEMY OF ALL CONSERVATIVES. PERIOD.

115 posted on 03/05/2012 12:11:15 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Power up the ROMNEYBOT-ZAPPER. FR is going to need it. These folks will start appearing like maggots)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It’s ridiculous. Honestly, though, the support for Romney as a second choice makes sense. The hatred toward Rick has done nothing but help Romney. Those who support Romney as a second choice seem to hate Rick so much because he is so socially conservative and outspoken about it, hence the nicknames like “Saint Rick” and “Sanctimonious”.


116 posted on 03/05/2012 12:23:52 AM PST by Pinkbell (Knock Romney Out - Vote for Santorum in Ohio/Oklahoma/Tennessee and Vote for Gingrich In Georgia)
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To: Pinkbell

Says a lot about the poster, if you ask me, that moral issues make them cringe (and yet they would still claim to be a conservative.) I truly think the US Libertarian Party would be a more appropriate site for them perhaps.


117 posted on 03/05/2012 12:27:14 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Power up the ROMNEYBOT-ZAPPER. FR is going to need it. These folks will start appearing like maggots)
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To: Rome2000

GOP is already dead. The fact the conservative base is split between Gingrich and Santorum proves that from the get go people did not agree within the tea party base on candidates. it sounds more and more like there will be on coalescing around anyone. A faction of voters will split from the nominee between all four left.


118 posted on 03/05/2012 12:46:54 AM PST by Mozilla (Defeat Romney first then defeat Obama)
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To: Rome2000

To: Rome2000

GOP is already dead. The fact the conservative base is split between Gingrich and Santorum proves that from the get go people did not agree within the tea party base on candidates. it sounds more and more like there will be no coalescing around anyone. A faction of voters will split from voting of the nominee between all four left.

I say that because a core of the Gingrich supporters are all of a sudden against Santorum no matter what. And a core of Santorum supporters won’t back Gingrich or they wouldn’t be for Santorum, of course. And you know about the Paul and Romney backers. Romney people might not vote for the nominee if not him and you know this. These goofs have started appearing on The Blaze attacking Santorum and Gingrich.


119 posted on 03/05/2012 12:51:16 AM PST by Mozilla (Defeat Romney first then defeat Obama)
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To: Rome2000

Personally, as I’ve said a lot, I was and still like Bachmann. And I was also fine with Cain. But they are over. So ever since they both dropped out I have been bouncing around between Newt and Santorum. But I am with Santorum now for the last month. But the 3rd party option is looking pretty good these days as Romney get more and more delegates. I won’t vote for Romney or Paul.

But I would for Santorum and Gingrich. Both bring good things to the table. Both have some baggage you wouldn’t have gotten with Bachmann or Palin or DeMint. However, I lean Santorum now.


120 posted on 03/05/2012 1:05:02 AM PST by Mozilla (Defeat Romney first then defeat Obama)
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To: redangus
Arrogant little twit.

We're just beginning to see what Santorums about...and as that picture is revealed, at his own hands as well as the media's and that which hasn't been revealed yet. People just might understand what we've been trying to tell them all along.....

BTW Santorum always says, and the press too... Santorum was raised in Pittsburgh...NOT TRUE...what they aren't telling you is he was raised from 7yrs. to his Senior year in a dumpster community called Butler, Pa. What a dive!

Though Santorum stated he has 'many fond memories' of being raised in Butler, he simply states "for various reasons", and it sure doesn't have to do with status of the community as the dump dive that it is.

And you won't see cameras rolling associating him to Butler.

So you won't see the news saying where he was really raised...but Butler is 45-60 minutes or so North of Pittsburgh and not even remotely joined.

121 posted on 03/05/2012 1:30:20 AM PST by caww
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To: Pinkbell
seem to hate Rick so much because he is so socially conservative and outspoken about it,

Of course they do...he should have backed out back when and let Newt take the front head to head with Romney. Then there would have been a race. But just as we in Pa. know fully well.. Santorum will always go in whatever direction feeds his political ambitions regardless of the effects on Conservatives and their positions...he did it in Pa. and he'll do it now and continue to do so.

It has nothing to do with his social conservativism..he simply is all about himself and you stack his accomplishments, abilities and know how up against Newt and there's no comparison..Newt has it hands down and without effort. And that's just the truth.

People are voting for who they 'Like" not who can take out Obama, and expose him, and then hit the ground running in DC to turn things around fast. So if Santorum wins...we can count on Obamas next four years and rick will have earned his political career and royalties he'll get ...he wins either way...and our country looses for him.

Just a reminder we have Obamacare as a direct result of Santorums putting his political ambitions ahead of what is the right thing for this country. The same thing he did in PA....and for that lost the election...he cannot be trusted.

122 posted on 03/05/2012 1:44:02 AM PST by caww
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To: Mariner
I'll beat Romney if Gingrich drops out

Yeah, maybe. But you won't beat Obama and that's the end game.

123 posted on 03/05/2012 2:01:49 AM PST by GVnana (Newt 2012 - He Speaks for Us)
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To: Mariner
Rick Santorum Reaganite Conservatives indicated that Newt Gingrich Rick Santorum should drop out of the presidential race

Here I've fixed it.

124 posted on 03/05/2012 2:34:23 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww

Santorum has never been a leader in anything.
As soon as he opens his mouth too wide, he’s saying a stupid thing, for which he apologizes the next day.
Obama’s propaganda machine will make mince meat out of him and beside, he already demonstrated he cannot win over Romney.

The only thing he’s doing by staying in a race he cannot win, is to hand the nomination to Mitt, who would lose to Obama, pointed at as the 0.1% guy, bought by Wall Street and the establishment elite to serve their interests in Washington DC.

Rick should drop out of race NOW.
Newt, by not competing, left him his chance to prove he was able to beat Romney in Michigan and Arizona, and Rick failed TWICE. He simply is not a guy to play in the first league.


125 posted on 03/05/2012 2:49:46 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: newzjunkey

He never explained why he voted for Sonya Sotomayor’s judicial appointment. Only 3 Republican senators broke rang and one of them was Santorum. In fact he opened Sotomayor’s road to the Supreme Court.

He voted for the unions against workers. Every time the unions asked for the increase of the minimum wage, he voted for - FIVE times! It didn’t matter to him that it was a killing-jobs measure ...


126 posted on 03/05/2012 3:07:10 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Mariner

Santorum has my vote, and I agree with him on this issue - Gingrich should drop out.


127 posted on 03/05/2012 3:32:54 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Pinkbell

Santorum wasn’t hurting Gingrich. Gingrich lost florida by more votes than Santorum took.


128 posted on 03/05/2012 3:50:57 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Antoninus

Agreed. I am 100% for Santorum, but I would never waste time bashing Gingrich. Gingrich is an asset to the conservative GOP, even though I don’t believe it is the time for him to be POTUS.


129 posted on 03/05/2012 4:57:56 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Kazan; All

Bingo!

There’s a word for Republicans who either ignore, or timidly stay away from social issues: RINOs.


130 posted on 03/05/2012 6:42:55 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; All

I also think they MOST resemble libertarians. Yeah, they’re loud, obnoxious so-con haters... but few.

Btw, if Newt only wins Georgia, he WILL drop out and Romney will lose his advantage as true conservatives unite.

Newt is intelligent enough to know he handed Michigan to Willard on a silver platter. And enough is enough.


131 posted on 03/05/2012 6:55:22 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
You ignore my point. I DON'T need someone telling me what is right or wrong, for I already know that.

And you argue that we need someone telling us what is right or wrong.

Which just means, to me, that you can't judge the difference without help.

As for the rest of America, I have more faith in them than you seem to.

132 posted on 03/05/2012 8:11:40 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Antoninus
On the campaign poster:

Gee, thanks... Rick the master of the obvious. Thank you for pointing out what I already know. If it weren't for your divine insight, I could never have sussed that out.

How about you let us mere mortals fix this and your attention to matters that we actually delegate authority to the Federal government to work on.

133 posted on 03/05/2012 8:35:37 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The only thing I'd add to that, for me, is that social issues should ever supersede our Constitution.

And anyone that would trash the Constitution to further social issues is not a Conservative.

134 posted on 03/05/2012 8:42:13 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

Ever shoud read never.

(I hate touchscreen keyboards.)


135 posted on 03/05/2012 8:50:35 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Rome2000; All
86 posted on Sunday, March 04, 2012 9:21:05 PM by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork): “The Republican Party never did anything worthwhile, and has the blood of this Republic on its hands dating back to 1861. This will be the final nail.”

Oh, good grief. Are we going to be resurrecting Civil War stuff a hundred and fifty years later?

Half my ancestors didn't even immigrate the United States until after the Civil War was over. On the other side, a great-great-grandfather was a Union soldier who was a POW in Andersonville.

There was a day that Republicans blasted the Democrats for being the party of “Rum, Romanism and Rebellion.” Now, most conservatives are supporting one of two Roman Catholics who drink alcohol, and one of them used to represent Georgia in the Congress.

If the Republican Party were the same party that Abraham Lincoln led, Republicans would have a lock on the black vote, New England would be solidly in the red column, Santorum would be a Democrat, and no Southerner including Gingrich would have a chance of getting elected as a Republican.

Parties change. I, for one, am very glad for that. I don't think I'd like the pre-Reagan Republican Party very much, and I know I'd have huge problems with the racist bigotry of the old Democratic Party.

Republicans aren't perfect, but they're much better than any realistic alternative we have today.

136 posted on 03/05/2012 10:42:52 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Mariner
Well, there's truth to this...and vice versa.

Romney has won the last five primaries/caucuses straight since Santorum's 3 sweep on Feb 7th.

That's Main, Wyoming, Michigan, Arizona, and Washington.

But in two of those states, Wyoming and Michigan, Santorum would have won if Newt's vote had been added to his.

The combined vote would not have been enough in Florida or Nevada either, but if Santorum and Newt's votes were together, right now the delegate count would be almost even, and I believe after Super Tuesday, the single conservative candidate would pull ahead of Romney.

137 posted on 03/05/2012 10:52:43 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: trappedincanuckistan
"Newt will do very well in Ohio"

Hmmmmmmmmmm.......Newt's at 14.5% and the election is tomorrow.

Romney Santorum Gingrich RCP Average 2/29 - 3/4 -- 33.5 33.3 14.5

CONSERVATIVES RICK & NEWT COMBINED 48% (per RCP OHIO)

Willard the Massachusetts Masquerader 33.5%

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Choose wisely tomorrow, Ohioans:


138 posted on 03/05/2012 11:00:39 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Jeff Head

Bingo, Jeff.


139 posted on 03/05/2012 11:01:58 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: wolf78; Mariner; All; napscoordinator; Antoninus; writer33; Lazlo in PA; CharlesWayneCT; ...
45 posted on Sunday, March 04, 2012 3:59:33 PM by wolf78: “I think you're right. If Santorum drops out, Newt will most likely pick up all of the conservative vote. If Gingrich drops out I believe there will be a sizeable number of his supporters staying at home.”

Most people on Free Republic understand the problems with Mitt Romney. That's not necessarily the case with the general Republican electorate. Polls show that significant percentages of Santorum supporters have Romney as their second choice, and the same is true for Gingrich supporters.

I'm very much afraid that pushing for a two-man race between Santorum-Romney or Gingrich-Romney will have unintended consequences. What happens if evangelicals who can't put up with Gingrich's past decide to vote for the “family values” Mormon if Santorum drops out? What happens if Gingrich supporters who don't like Santorum’s union ties or Catholic economic views decide to vote for the “pro-business Bain executive” Romney if Gingrich drops out?

As others here have said, Mitt Romney is in the wrong party. I've read the comments by Planned Parenthood people who interviewed Romney as he was running for governor and saying he could be a pro-choice advocate in the Republican Party. That doesn't belong in the GOP, but having a pro-business voice in the Democratic Party could actually be helpful.

What we really need is for Romney to drop out and have a legitimate race between Gingrich, Santorum, and (unfortunately) Paul. I was hopeful that a defeat for Romney in Michigan would deliver a body blow culminating in a Super Tuesday knockout punch, but it looks like Romney is going to be in this for quite a while longer.

140 posted on 03/05/2012 11:05:08 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: redangus

“Newt on the other hand took his time this morning twisting Stephie and David Gregory into pretzels.”

But that apparently isn’t translating into poll numbers and votes.


141 posted on 03/05/2012 11:06:51 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: gogogodzilla

There’s a word for Republicans who either ignore, or timidly stay away from social issues: RINOs.


142 posted on 03/05/2012 11:07:07 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Kazan
Exiting polling shows Santorum in most states that have recently held primaries or caucuses overwhelmingly winning about the most conservative voters and those aligned with the Tea Party.

Which is really disheartening because Santorum is neither conservative or competent to beat Obama.

What I find most dissapointing about the primary process both this year and in 2008 is the effective use of misinformation to snow conservative voters. The ads depicting Romney and Santorum as conservative are truly sickening. But who do you blame? the organizations producing the the propaganda ... or the stupidity of the voters taken in by it?

143 posted on 03/05/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by suijuris
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To: darrellmaurina; All

Rick does not need ALL the Newt votes, but just the lion’s share compared to Willard the Massachusetts Liberal, TARPer, and co-architect with the late Ted Kennedy of ObamneyCare.


144 posted on 03/05/2012 11:11:48 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: suijuris

IF one does not see that Santorum is the conservative in the race compared to Romney, that one is clueless.

All exit polls also say that one is a small minority as well.


145 posted on 03/05/2012 11:15:31 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: darrellmaurina

Gingrich is fine with Evangelicals , South Carolina and Florida showed that, besides, Evangelicals will move to the most conservative.

In a head to head battle between Romney and Gingrich, Evangelicals would see Gingrich as their man.

Romney is not dropping out, you evidently don’t recognize that Romney is here to fight conservatism, get revenge against the right, and advance his cult. Romney is in all the way.


146 posted on 03/05/2012 11:18:00 AM PST by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet.)
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To: CainConservative
AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY
147 posted on 03/05/2012 11:39:11 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CainConservative; suijuris; Marguerite; caww
SweaterVest Rick,Conservative? Are you serious? (rhetorical question, I already know you can't see facts, please don't let them get in your way)....



148 posted on 03/05/2012 12:47:31 PM PST by Bikkuri
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To: Mariner

My state’s primary isn’t till May 29...won’t all the excitement be done by then?


149 posted on 03/05/2012 2:01:13 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: Mariner

Check this out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiaw0hgB-fg


150 posted on 03/05/2012 2:02:06 PM PST by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
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