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Sebelius: Fewer Babies Born Will Save Health Care Costs
Life News ^ | March 1, 2012 | Andrew Bair

Posted on 03/04/2012 1:41:08 PM PST by NYer

At a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Secretary of HHS Kathleen Sebelius confirmed the fears of many pro-life advocates who worry that the recent HHS mandate requiring all insurance plans to cover contraception and sterilization, regardless of an employer’s moral objection, is just the beginning.

The same statutory authority of the Administration to mandate contraception could just as easily mandate abortion on demand. The Administration believes in essence that employers are not really paying for contraceptives or abortion since they would be cheaper than providing for prenatal care, childbirth or child care.

In an exchange with pro-life Congressman Tim Murphy (R-PA), Sebelius claimed, “The reduction in a number of pregnancies compensates for the cost of contraception.” To which Murphy responded, “So you’re saying by not having babies born, we’re going to save money on healthcare?” The exchange becomes just another example of the Obama Administration’s willingness to trample on basic rights of conscience in order to pay for the massive 2010 federal healthcare law and expand abortion.

As a means of cutting costs under Obamacare, the Secretary of HHS has the authority to mandate coverage of anything he or she adds to a “preventive services” list. The recent HHS edict was the result of contraception being added to that list. Because the list is fluid and left solely to the whim of the Administration, there is no statute preventing an abortion mandate.

Certainly abortion coverage is the next logical step. Even in its initial passage in 2010, Obamacare contained new streams of federal funding for abortion. The Obama Administration fought against pro-life amendments like the Stupak-Pitts Amendment to gut abortion funding from the bill. It has continued to fight against efforts to limit federal funds for abortion. The Obama Administration was willing to allow a government shutdown unless full federal funding for Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider, was in place. It’s clear; the Administration would have no qualms about mandating coverage for abortion.

The Blunt Amendment, which sadly failed on a 51-48 vote today in the Senate, would have allowed employers to opt out of the mandated contraception coverage if it went against their convictions. However, it also would have protected pro-life employers from having to cover abortion on demand. Eyes are now on the House where a similar bill (H.R. 1179) sponsored by pro-life Congressman Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE) is advancing to continue the fight for conscience rights. The bill already has 220 co-sponsors (more than half of the House), including members of both parties.

Pro-life advocates should contact their members of Congress and urge support for H.R. 1179 and conscience protections. Visit http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/issues/bills/?bill=60964701.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: catholic; corruption; democrats; govtabuse; hhs; hhsisajoke; hhsmandate; liberalfascism; moralabsolutes; obama; obamacare; prolife; sibelius; socialistdemocrats; tyranny
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1 posted on 03/04/2012 1:41:19 PM PST by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Ping!


2 posted on 03/04/2012 1:42:10 PM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

Death Panels, too.


3 posted on 03/04/2012 1:42:10 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: NYer

Are the people tuning in to this crap. Do they understand how stupid and absurd the national conversations have become?


4 posted on 03/04/2012 1:42:29 PM PST by Kenny
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To: NYer

And how soon will the China ‘one child per family’ policy come from these pigs?


5 posted on 03/04/2012 1:42:55 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: NYer

By that line of thinking, we could completely eliminate all health care costs by eliminating all live births.


6 posted on 03/04/2012 1:44:39 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: NYer
Liberals are just geared for self-destruction. Only problem is, they have ensconced themselves in Gov't and they are destroying our lives too.
The LESS babies, the LESS tax base in the future; unless of course the liberals are working overtime on eugenics and the management thereof (*cough* sanger *cough*)
7 posted on 03/04/2012 1:45:52 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: NYer
Hey Kathy, are you THAT willing to toss away prospective government slaves via taxpaying?

Remember, those not born can only owe, they CAN'T pay!

The 0bama cabinet....

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8 posted on 03/04/2012 1:47:47 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: NYer

Fewer Government workers that believe this will save untold millions.


9 posted on 03/04/2012 1:49:34 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: originalbuckeye
And how soon will the China ‘one child per family’ policy come from these pigs?

As quickly as possible. Once implemented, within three generations, all ANY person "in compliance" would have is their mother and father as relatives. Once mom and dad are gone, there is no one directly related to that person; all they have are friends and government.

Think on that for a while...Another freeper posted that thought about three months ago and it's stuck with me ever since. We WILL see China have some big time problems. And our libs will be sure to follow down the same path.

10 posted on 03/04/2012 1:51:31 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: NYer

There will also be fewer people born to pay taxes to support all the government programs


11 posted on 03/04/2012 1:54:08 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: NYer

Too bad this kind of thinking wasn’t around when this wretched woman was conceived.


12 posted on 03/04/2012 1:55:51 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: originalbuckeye
The Evil Left always accuses Republicans of endorsing policies that will "kill" people when, in actuality, it's a stated platform of their own political beliefs.
13 posted on 03/04/2012 1:56:11 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: NYer

“Sebelius: Fewer Babies Born Will Save Health Care Costs”

Hey, Kathy, too bad your mother was not on the pill after.


14 posted on 03/04/2012 1:57:08 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: NYer

Sebelius: Fewer Citizen Babies Born Will Save Health Care Costs to Use for Illegal Aliens.

There. Fixed it.

15 posted on 03/04/2012 1:57:18 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: originalbuckeye
And how soon will the China ‘one child per family’ policy come from these pigs?

I don't think you're appreciating the policy in its fullness. It's to apply economic and social pressures which make it "one child for Whitey, because he can't afford any more, or 'cause it's his right to choose" and plenty of children for the oppressed. Do the math. Some have--for example, it's been said that the greatest weapon against Israel is the Palestinian womb, that Muslim infiltration of Europe and the US is the way towards conquest, and don't get me started on Azatlan.

16 posted on 03/04/2012 1:58:17 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: NYer

And eliminating the old will save health care cost.

And eliminating the disabled will save health care cost.

And eliminating the mentally impaired will save health care cost.

And eliminating the genetically flawed will save health care cost.

And eliminating the poor will save health care cost.

And eliminating all the “Useless Eaters” will save health care cost.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 1:59:16 PM PST by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: NYer

Quick - time to make more babies!!


18 posted on 03/04/2012 1:59:22 PM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: NYer

Kill tham all and in 75 or a hundred years we won’t have to pay anything.

By the way this woman is a nut. A nut who has the power of life and death through Obamacare.
That should frighten you.


19 posted on 03/04/2012 1:59:44 PM PST by Venturer
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To: NYer

How about more babies and fewer old folks? Would also save on Sosha Security payments.


20 posted on 03/04/2012 2:00:18 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: NYer

What an idiot! Aside from the fact that responsibly having children is a blessing for parents and none of the government’s business, if she got her wish for significantly reduced birth rates, Social Security will be totally hopelessly doomed in 20 years.


21 posted on 03/04/2012 2:04:10 PM PST by mtrott
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To: NYer

In addition to a borderline evil statement, she is just plain WRONG. It might save a little money in the short term, but our ponzi-scheme based Social Security system only works if the population is growing. And anyone with a brain knows that the vast majority of health care costs are incurred in the last 10 years of life.


22 posted on 03/04/2012 2:05:01 PM PST by Scutter
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To: NYer
Applying her logic, we could eliminate all costs by eliminating the human race. Everything would be free. :)

Can these people see?
23 posted on 03/04/2012 2:05:15 PM PST by allmost
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To: NYer

Fewer babies born means fewer people paying into Socialist Insecurity.

Birth-control use among singles means wider spread STD outbreaks. Which leads to HIGHER health care costs.

Then there are the infertility problems from years of taking birth control (starting in puberty) which we can then pick up the costs of.

What is it about homosexuals that makes them anti-breeder?


24 posted on 03/04/2012 2:06:11 PM PST by a fool in paradise (If Obama brings troops home from Japan and Germany he can claim he won WWII finally as well as Iraq.)
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To: GreatRoad

With four children, I did my part!


25 posted on 03/04/2012 2:06:20 PM PST by mtrott
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To: NYer

Modern day Eugenics.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 2:08:00 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: Libloather
How about more babies and fewer old folks? Would also save on Sosha Security payments.

This was Jocelyn Elder's stated position ("Those old people are just gonna die anyway!") and I suspect the real reason she was fired.

27 posted on 03/04/2012 2:09:07 PM PST by a fool in paradise (If Obama brings troops home from Japan and Germany he can claim he won WWII finally as well as Iraq.)
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To: originalbuckeye

“And how soon will the China ‘one child per family’ policy come from these pigs?”

This would not harm them too much...conservatives and Christians tend to have much larger families then liberals. Our problem is that we also tend to send our children to public schools to learn from the liberals...I just don’t understand why...

Now that home schooling is growing they (the liberals) need to reduce the family size...


28 posted on 03/04/2012 2:18:21 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: reg45
There will also be fewer people born to pay taxes to support all the government programs

...and more imported labor - much of which will have a backwards uncivilized religion to which it adheres fanatically.

29 posted on 03/04/2012 2:19:01 PM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: PanzerKardinal

If her plan works out there will be no one to grow food,manufacture anything, etc.etc... Never could understand why they would want to live in their CREATION.


30 posted on 03/04/2012 2:21:01 PM PST by codder too
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To: NYer

If they are willing to kill the unborn how do you think the elderly fair in this


31 posted on 03/04/2012 2:26:11 PM PST by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: originalbuckeye; NYer; GreatRoad; headstamp 2; mtrott; EGPWS; Michael Barnes

I would suggest viewing the documentary “Demographic Winter” for a better understanding as to why the liberals would think this way...


32 posted on 03/04/2012 2:26:39 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: Michael Barnes

The LESS babies, the LESS tax base in the future; unless of course the liberals are working overtime on eugenics and the management thereof (*cough* sanger *cough*)


No they’re counting on the illegals to keep them in office where they can then tax the crap out of all the workers.


33 posted on 03/04/2012 2:27:32 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: NYer

It’s a trick question of course, and one loaded with assumptions. If a system like Obamacare is assumed, you would want more relatively healthy workers to prop it up for the elderly and ailing (at least if you covet the latter’s votes). That makes it a bigger item in the budget, but that’s not necessarily a measure of how well it fulfills its ostensible purpose. However of course the whole Obamacare system is an abomination and should be abolished yesterday.


34 posted on 03/04/2012 2:29:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: allmost
Applying her logic, we could eliminate all costs by eliminating the human race. Everything would be free. :) Can these people see?

Hey, are you demonstrating the absurd by being absurd? Watch out! :-)

As others have posted here, there are lots of ways to save health care costs, but are they moral, and who gets to decide which ones are acceptable to mandate and which ones are not? The govt? They truly do not believe in Freedom of Choice, do they?
35 posted on 03/04/2012 2:30:55 PM PST by Girlene
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To: WorldviewDad
I'm watching it presently....

Thanks.

36 posted on 03/04/2012 2:32:08 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: NYer

Where do we go to now?


37 posted on 03/04/2012 2:33:47 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Girlene

I applied a rule that led to extinction.


38 posted on 03/04/2012 2:34:48 PM PST by allmost
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To: NYer

Boy, she’s a regular Margaret Sanger, ain’t she?


39 posted on 03/04/2012 2:36:50 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: NYer
in HELL: Hitler & Mao-tse ghostly souls, are grinning ear-to-ear w/ that statement.

40 posted on 03/04/2012 2:38:05 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: reg45
There will also be fewer people born to pay taxes to support all the government programs

We'll just do what Europe has been doing for a long while now: import Muslims.
41 posted on 03/04/2012 2:38:32 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: originalbuckeye

Economically, we are already there (or worse) for Americans; now our children are those of the imported “replacement Americans” - check out any maternity ward.

It is “Twilight Zone” stuff, like you went to sleep in the US and woke up in Juarez.


42 posted on 03/04/2012 2:40:52 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: tanknetter

“We’ll just do what Europe has been doing for a long while now: import Muslims.”

Here in NJ we import masses of Aztecs & Incas; maternity wards are filled with their broods, along with one or two “Anglo” babies, and a similar number of black and Asian babies. They’ve bankrupted our hospitals and municipalities; that is why companies and Americans have fled NJ.


43 posted on 03/04/2012 2:44:11 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: mtrott

“What an idiot!”

An affirmative action token, compliments of our affirmative action president; if a white guy said something this ignorant (and plain evil) he’d he shown the door. This administration is at war with thousands of years of Judeo-Christian tradition, including something as basic as parenthood.


44 posted on 03/04/2012 2:47:43 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Scutter

The same argument propelled Margaret Sanger. This is nothing more than Eugenics reborn.


45 posted on 03/04/2012 2:49:02 PM PST by plangent
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To: NYer

Kill the babies and old people. There useless anyway. More food to go around. More money for us. Is that what you’re saying?

I’m ashamed to be a human. Most (MOST) animals have more sense.


46 posted on 03/04/2012 2:50:56 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected. 0bamao's ANTI-TRUTH & SPIN SQUADS is again on the move.)
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To: NYer

I guess her statements are to be expected since she works for a man who embraces and distributes evil, both personally and institutionally.


47 posted on 03/04/2012 2:51:15 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: NYer

Sebelius is in so far over her head that if she were to take a breath, she would immediately sink straight to the bottom. If she had a brain, she would no doubt be charged with smuggling $hit. This bimbo makes Big Sis look like a genius.


48 posted on 03/04/2012 2:52:19 PM PST by jmax (SLUTS SUCK)
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To: NYer
Its not that the leftists think there're too many people in the USA, just too many of the wrong kind of people.

Otherwise they'd secure the borders and scale back the 1 million plus new legal immigrants entering every year.

49 posted on 03/04/2012 2:53:50 PM PST by skeeter
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To: PanzerKardinal

They need the useless eaters to win at the ballot box.


50 posted on 03/04/2012 2:54:17 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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