Skip to comments.Dayton vetoes "castle doctrine" self-defense bill(MN)
Posted on 03/05/2012 5:53:33 PM PST by marktwain
Gov. Mark Dayton vetoed the so-called "castle doctrine" self-defense bill on Monday.
The proposal, supported by the gun-rights groups and opposed by Minnesota's law-enforcement organizations, would have expanded the legal justification for citizens who use deadly force in threatening situations.
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Good Thunder, and Sen. Gretchen Hoffman, R-Vergas, was the top priority of the National Rifle Association and drew some DFL votes in addition to near-unanimous Republican support. The measure passed by votes of 40-23 in the Senate and 85-47 in the House.
It would have changed the legal definitions of self-defense for someone facing a serious threat in their homes, and would have expanded this "castle doctrine" to cars, motor homes, boats and even tents.
It would have done away with a person's duty to retreat when facing a threat in public places, which supporters called the "stand your ground" concept. It would also have legalized concealed-weapons permits issued by all states, regardless of their standards in granting permits, and limited the situations in which police can temporarily remove weapons from homes in volatile situations.
"The MN Police and Peace Officers Association, the MN Chiefs of Police and the MN Sheriffs Association represent the men and woman who risk their lives every day and night to protect the rest of us. When they strongly oppose a measure, because they believe it will increase the dangers to them in the performance of their duties, I cannot support it," Dayton wrote.
Rep. Tony Cornish, a Republican from Good Thunder, said the opposition stemmed from the executives of law enforcement organizations "not the rank and file." He said that the measure may take some time to become law but it will be back.
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Can these restrictions last long enough to be made permanent by a tyrannical welfare state?
“When they strongly oppose a measure, because they believe it will increase the dangers to them in the performance of their duties, I cannot support it,” Dayton wrote.
Pisssst mark.. Wana know the dirty little secret? those that will kill cops will kill them regardless of the law.
Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine?
I didn’t think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.
Please enlighten me. I am sure others would be interested as well.
Castle Doctrine has worked well in other states.
(The libs like to call it the “Make My Day Law”)
When is the bastard up for reelection?
All concerned with nothing other than co opting the right and responsibility of individuals to defend themselves. The more citizens rely on authorities for their own safety, the more the tyrants can exercise their control. Overthrow all of them starting with the mayor and the chief of police. If the people are able to defend themselves, they don't need to live in a police state
Not enough to override if you need 2/3. Is it 2/3 in MN?
According to the wikipedia article that you linked to, 31 states have some form of castle doctrine law.
Fireone has implied that there are some statistics available to enlighten us on what has happened when these states adopted the law.
Perhaps I misread him. I hope that he will get back to us. I read some of his posts. He seems to be a pretty good freeper.
I believe 2/3 are required to override a veto in MN.
If innocent people were being killed in significant numbers because of these stand your ground laws, we’d damn sure know about it.
‘Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine?
I didnt think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.’
Yes, please enlighten me also so I can check your data against John Lott’s latest edition that’s sitting on my desk.
“Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine? I didnt think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.”
“Please enlighten me. I am sure others would be interested as well.”
Marktwain, after careful reading, offers this explanation:
Fireone was making a sarcastic comment to Mark Dayton, the Governor, not to Marktwain the poster. If I am incorrect, Fireone, please let me know.
November 2014 unfortunately
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We have the castle law in Texas and our law enforcement officers actually explain it to us and approve of its use. It makes their job easier. :)
It’s a little surprising - but true, nevertheless - that a state which is mostly woods and lakes could be such a bastion of Leftist dogma.
Pretty ballsy for some trust fund sh*thead that had to cheat his way into the governors mansion via Soros’ paid for Secretary of State.
DFL mafia is strong up here.
We should pass a law making it illegal for Mark “Crazy Eyes” Dayton to have a gun. That nut bar is going to snap big time some day.
God bless Tony Cornish. I knew him when he was with the DNR 30 years ago.
Now is the time for the veto override vote in order to seperate the RINOs from the real votes.
Dayton claimed during the campaign that he had two .357s and a twelve-gauge shotgun in his house.
For the record, we need three representatives and four senators to switch to get an override.
However, the outstate Dims are hugely vulnerable on this due to living in hunting and outdoor sports territory. There are lots of shooters out there and they are well aware of Dayton’s abrogation of responsibility.
“Fireone was making a sarcastic comment to Mark Dayton, the Governor, not to Marktwain the poster. If I am incorrect, Fireone, please let me know. “
Absolutely! We all know more guns = less crime. Mark Dayton just towed the party line, as usual.
States with castle doctrine laws are proven to be the safest states to live in.
I haven’t heard of law abiding citizens gunning down police anywhere in those states.