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Dayton vetoes "castle doctrine" self-defense bill(MN)
startribune.com ^ | 5 March, 2012 | Jim Ragsdale

Posted on 03/05/2012 5:53:33 PM PST by marktwain

Gov. Mark Dayton vetoed the so-called "castle doctrine" self-defense bill on Monday.

The proposal, supported by the gun-rights groups and opposed by Minnesota's law-enforcement organizations, would have expanded the legal justification for citizens who use deadly force in threatening situations.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Good Thunder, and Sen. Gretchen Hoffman, R-Vergas, was the top priority of the National Rifle Association and drew some DFL votes in addition to near-unanimous Republican support. The measure passed by votes of 40-23 in the Senate and 85-47 in the House.

It would have changed the legal definitions of self-defense for someone facing a serious threat in their homes, and would have expanded this "castle doctrine" to cars, motor homes, boats and even tents.

It would have done away with a person's duty to retreat when facing a threat in public places, which supporters called the "stand your ground" concept. It would also have legalized concealed-weapons permits issued by all states, regardless of their standards in granting permits, and limited the situations in which police can temporarily remove weapons from homes in volatile situations.

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"The MN Police and Peace Officers Association, the MN Chiefs of Police and the MN Sheriffs Association represent the men and woman who risk their lives every day and night to protect the rest of us. When they strongly oppose a measure, because they believe it will increase the dangers to them in the performance of their duties, I cannot support it," Dayton wrote.

Rep. Tony Cornish, a Republican from Good Thunder, said the opposition stemmed from the executives of law enforcement organizations "not the rank and file." He said that the measure may take some time to become law but it will be back.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; castle; mn; veto
The bill passed with near, but not quite, veto proof majorities. We have seen this pattern before, where Democrat governors insist that the public rights be restricted. Paid public servants should not be allowed to lobby.

Can these restrictions last long enough to be made permanent by a tyrannical welfare state?

1 posted on 03/05/2012 5:53:44 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“When they strongly oppose a measure, because they believe it will increase the dangers to them in the performance of their duties, I cannot support it,” Dayton wrote.


Pisssst mark.. Wana know the dirty little secret? those that will kill cops will kill them regardless of the law.


2 posted on 03/05/2012 5:58:50 PM PST by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine?
I didn’t think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.


3 posted on 03/05/2012 6:08:06 PM PST by Fireone (Gingrich/West 2012. (did I mention FUBO?))
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To: Fireone
Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine? I didn’t think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.

Please enlighten me. I am sure others would be interested as well.

4 posted on 03/05/2012 6:18:04 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Castle Doctrine has worked well in other states.

(The libs like to call it the “Make My Day Law”)


5 posted on 03/05/2012 6:55:12 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain
Even liberal California has a no retreat law.

States with a Castle Law

6 posted on 03/05/2012 7:02:38 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

When is the bastard up for reelection?


7 posted on 03/05/2012 7:20:11 PM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: marktwain
"The MN Police and Peace Officers Association, the MN Chiefs of Police and the MN Sheriffs Association represent the men and woman who risk their lives every day and night to protect the rest of us. When they strongly oppose a measure, because they believe it will increase the dangers to them in the performance of their duties, I cannot support it," Dayton wrote.

All concerned with nothing other than co opting the right and responsibility of individuals to defend themselves. The more citizens rely on authorities for their own safety, the more the tyrants can exercise their control. Overthrow all of them starting with the mayor and the chief of police. If the people are able to defend themselves, they don't need to live in a police state

8 posted on 03/05/2012 7:20:29 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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"The measure passed by votes of 40-23 in the Senate and 85-47 in the House."

Not enough to override if you need 2/3. Is it 2/3 in MN?

9 posted on 03/05/2012 7:47:42 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: smokingfrog; All

According to the wikipedia article that you linked to, 31 states have some form of castle doctrine law.

Fireone has implied that there are some statistics available to enlighten us on what has happened when these states adopted the law.

Perhaps I misread him. I hope that he will get back to us. I read some of his posts. He seems to be a pretty good freeper.


10 posted on 03/05/2012 7:51:35 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Neanderthal
Not enough to override if you need 2/3. Is it 2/3 in MN?

I believe 2/3 are required to override a veto in MN.

11 posted on 03/05/2012 7:57:16 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If innocent people were being killed in significant numbers because of these stand your ground laws, we’d damn sure know about it.


12 posted on 03/05/2012 7:57:48 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Fireone

‘Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine?
I didn’t think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.’

Yes, please enlighten me also so I can check your data against John Lott’s latest edition that’s sitting on my desk.


13 posted on 03/05/2012 8:07:55 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: marktwain; All
Fireone posted:

“Mark- Have you taken a moment to review the statistics in the many states that have an existing castle doctrine? I didn’t think so. That would require the truth to be exposed.”

Marktwain replied:

“Please enlighten me. I am sure others would be interested as well.”

Marktwain, after careful reading, offers this explanation:

Fireone was making a sarcastic comment to Mark Dayton, the Governor, not to Marktwain the poster. If I am incorrect, Fireone, please let me know.

14 posted on 03/05/2012 8:13:40 PM PST by marktwain
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To: katana
"When is the bastard up for reelection?"

November 2014 unfortunately

15 posted on 03/05/2012 8:38:18 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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16 posted on 03/05/2012 8:40:25 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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17 posted on 03/05/2012 8:42:25 PM PST by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: marktwain

We have the castle law in Texas and our law enforcement officers actually explain it to us and approve of its use. It makes their job easier. :)


18 posted on 03/05/2012 8:46:46 PM PST by LUV W (This space reserved for heroes............my AF son....our troops....the vets from all wars...)
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To: marktwain

It’s a little surprising - but true, nevertheless - that a state which is mostly woods and lakes could be such a bastion of Leftist dogma.


19 posted on 03/05/2012 9:05:47 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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Pretty ballsy for some trust fund sh*thead that had to cheat his way into the governors mansion via Soros’ paid for Secretary of State.


20 posted on 03/05/2012 9:10:41 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Jack Hammer

DFL mafia is strong up here.


21 posted on 03/05/2012 9:12:55 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: marktwain
( + ) + = ( What must be done if this is allowed to stand!)
22 posted on 03/05/2012 9:16:19 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: marktwain

We should pass a law making it illegal for Mark “Crazy Eyes” Dayton to have a gun. That nut bar is going to snap big time some day.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 6:19:05 AM PST by DManA
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God bless Tony Cornish. I knew him when he was with the DNR 30 years ago.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 7:37:23 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: marktwain

Now is the time for the veto override vote in order to seperate the RINOs from the real votes.


25 posted on 03/06/2012 7:40:12 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DManA

Dayton claimed during the campaign that he had two .357s and a twelve-gauge shotgun in his house.

For the record, we need three representatives and four senators to switch to get an override.

However, the outstate Dims are hugely vulnerable on this due to living in hunting and outdoor sports territory. There are lots of shooters out there and they are well aware of Dayton’s abrogation of responsibility.


26 posted on 03/06/2012 8:50:30 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (No surrender.)
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“Fireone was making a sarcastic comment to Mark Dayton, the Governor, not to Marktwain the poster. If I am incorrect, Fireone, please let me know. “
Absolutely! We all know more guns = less crime. Mark Dayton just towed the party line, as usual.
States with castle doctrine laws are proven to be the safest states to live in.
I haven’t heard of law abiding citizens gunning down police anywhere in those states.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 10:18:25 AM PST by Fireone (Gingrich/West 2012. (did I mention FUBO?))
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