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New Navy rules take aim at alcohol abuse, smoking (Breathalyzers on ships)
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | 03/05/2011 | Bill Bartel

Posted on 03/05/2012 8:49:32 PM PST by same old song

The Navy will take a more aggressive approach to curbing alcohol and drug abuse and continue moving toward a smoke-free force under initiatives announced this afternoon by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus.

In response to concerns about alcohol abuse, particularly among younger sailors and Marines, the department this year will install Breathalyzers on every ship so that crew members coming aboard to work will be tested. Crew members already on board will be randomly tested.

If a sailor is found to be intoxicated, he or she will be subject to counseling and treatment but not formal reprimand or punishment. The machines are intended to help detect problems that can be addressed before alcohol abuse causes a serious career-ending problem.

The department also is beginning a new alcohol education program. Particular attention will be given to younger service members who, Navy officials believe, may misunderstand how long alcohol remains in a person’s system.

The Marines are expected to introduce the Breathalyzers to some units during the year.

The readiness effort also includes stronger discouragements of tobacco use among sailors and Marines. The department is ending the subsidy of cigarettes and other tobacco products sold at base commissaries and exchanges. The Navy is also making available smoking cessation materials to all personnel at no cost.

Navy officials believe that smoking contributes to poor health among active-duty sailors and retirees. They contend that cracking down on the behavior can reduce time lost to sickness and reduce health care expenses.

The new initiatives also include programs to address sexual assault and to begin random testing for spice, an illegal synthetic drug that mimics marijuana.

Mabus’ remarks, made at Norfolk Naval Station aboard the Bataan, an amphibious assault ship, were broadcast worldwide through military television and web sites during a special “all hands” call.

Navy officials said that the new effort is intended to “build resiliency and to hone the most combat effective force in the history of the Department of Navy.”


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: alcohol; mabus; military; usnavy
... wow.
1 posted on 03/05/2012 8:49:38 PM PST by same old song
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To: same old song

What about other intoxicants? Lots have no easy tests, requiring blood samples and complex labwork.


2 posted on 03/05/2012 8:52:11 PM PST by DBrow
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To: same old song

All this while welcoming the AIDS crowd aboard. It’s a crazy Navy Charlie Brown.


3 posted on 03/05/2012 8:52:26 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the DemocRAT voter base to start paying their "fair share" of taxes.)
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To: same old song

So, the USA wants to have no human beings in the Navy.

Zero tolerance in a 100% volunteer service.

I guess Secnav can’t do the math.


4 posted on 03/05/2012 8:54:39 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: same old song

This country was built by hard-smoking, hard-drinking men. Where are they now?


5 posted on 03/05/2012 8:55:25 PM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: same old song

wasn’t Mabus the same clown who approved the USS Giffords?


6 posted on 03/05/2012 8:55:25 PM PST by max americana
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To: same old song

What a f**ed up world we live in, now.


7 posted on 03/05/2012 8:57:10 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: same old song

Just another example of libs trying to use the military as a lab for the quixotic theories of sociologists.

Since they’re less free by design, the military is a natural mine canary signalling for what Our Betters have planned for the rest of us.

The higher health payments required of military people —oh I’m SURE they wouldn’t do that to US, you know...?!


8 posted on 03/05/2012 8:57:26 PM PST by gaijin
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To: same old song

Most mouthwashes are 40 proof. So brush your teeth, rinse with Listerine and get tagged as an alcoholic. What a great way to start a new day!


9 posted on 03/05/2012 8:57:50 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: same old song
The Navy has always forbade alcohol on ships. And, has always busted sailors that showed up for duty after drinking.

However, I fear this is about catching the hangovers at quarters in the morning.

THAT will put a lot of sailors in the cross hairs.

10 posted on 03/05/2012 8:57:56 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: same old song

Given a vote, I’d vote for a Naval force more hardened for battle rather than a force more regulated against enjoyment.


11 posted on 03/05/2012 8:58:02 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: same old song

[eyeroll]


12 posted on 03/05/2012 8:58:23 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: same old song

But smoking poles is now officialy “Okey-Dokey.”


13 posted on 03/05/2012 8:59:14 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

And packing fudge is OK too, so long as there’s no actual “cane sugar” involved.


14 posted on 03/05/2012 8:59:56 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: same old song
If someone in the chain of command needs a friggin’ breathalyzer to determine if a Sailor is fit for duty; maybe THEY are more of a problem than drunken Sailors.
15 posted on 03/05/2012 9:05:49 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
I wouldn't want any of these new guys in my foxhole.

You don't drink.
You don't smoke.
What in hell do you do?

16 posted on 03/05/2012 9:12:20 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: AGreatPer

Considering the current policies at least a foxhole might be safer than dropping the soap in the shower!


17 posted on 03/05/2012 9:17:26 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: same old song

When I was in, drinking was a command sanctioned sport.


18 posted on 03/05/2012 9:27:37 PM PST by mylife
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To: W. W. SMITH

There are non-alcoholic mouthwashes aplenty.


19 posted on 03/05/2012 9:30:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: AGreatPer
You don't drink. You don't smoke. What in hell do you do?

Subtle innuendos follow/there must be something inside

20 posted on 03/05/2012 9:31:54 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: W. W. SMITH
We had a big bruiser from Alabama who would drink Aqua Velva he got from the ships store, when he ran out of smuggled booze. We dreaded when he would return from shore leave at 2 in the morning, because it would often end with him pulling a sleeping Yankee sailor from his bunk and beating the snot out of him. I had my turn a time or two.
21 posted on 03/05/2012 9:40:04 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: same old song

What about those homosexuals who snort poppers?


22 posted on 03/05/2012 9:54:02 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: same old song
There is another thread not far from here in which FReepers are deriding Tony Bennett for calling for legalized drugs.

On that thread we react favorably to the federal government intruding in the private lives about what we are permitted to ingest and not ingest on pain of criminal sanctions. It does so without constitutional warrant.

Here, we are dealing in an area in which the federal government has and should have extreme sweeping power over the private lives of its sailors to maintain combat effectiveness and yet in this area we have resistance from FReepers. Here the federal government is fully authorized by the Constitution to act but it has refrained from imposing criminal sanctions.

If we are conservatives, it seems to me we ought to judge matters first on their constitutionality and then on whether we like the policy rather than determining constitutionality by whether we like the policy.


23 posted on 03/05/2012 9:56:08 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: gaijin
Do they know who the Commander in Thief is and what he does on the job?


24 posted on 03/05/2012 9:56:57 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: Mariner

Uh....one of the first things we loaded onto my ship during our initial outfit....was hundreds of cases of Budweiser. It surprised me a bit at first, but...it didn’t go to waste. :)


25 posted on 03/05/2012 10:50:32 PM PST by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: same old song
The department is ending the subsidy of cigarettes and other tobacco products sold at base commissaries and exchanges. The Navy is also making available smoking cessation materials to all personnel at no cost.

I was under the impression they had done this years ago when I was still active duty. I used to smoke Japanese cigarettes when I was stationed in Japan-they were cheaper than smokes on base. Sea stores are long gone. And I know the smoking cessation stuff was available. I was going to go through a program and then ended up quitting cold turkey on my own.

The alcohol crackdown doesn't surprise me a bit-it's all part of the "intrusive leadership" initiative. All I can say is that I'm glad I'm not in anymore. At the end of this month I officially go on the retired list. They won't even be able to recall me anymore.

26 posted on 03/05/2012 10:53:53 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: same old song
Well, I guess there's still 'buggery and the lash'...

Oops, wrong navy...

27 posted on 03/05/2012 10:58:11 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: nathanbedford
If we are conservatives, it seems to me we ought to judge matters first on their constitutionality and then on whether we like the policy rather than determining constitutionality by whether we like the policy.

BRAVO!

You, sir, 'get it'.

28 posted on 03/05/2012 11:01:38 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: same old song

The liberals now in charge of our military are truly nuts!

I served aboard a CVA and cigarettes were $1 a carton, although we had ration cards that only allowed two cartons every two weeks (paydays). .....When in the Med, our V-2 division CMDR arranged a day off for us when we were on “holiday routine”. Liberty boats took us to a small island nearby, along with food and cases of beer. We played baseball, ate, smoked and drank a lot of beer, while getting sunburned because we didn’t wear our shirts.

During all my time aboard ship, I don’t recall smoking or drinking causing anyone to have to go to sick bay.


29 posted on 03/05/2012 11:14:58 PM PST by octex
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To: Mariner

The Navy has always forbade alcohol on ships. And, has always busted sailors that showed up for duty after drinking.
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That’s BS. I served on a CVA and there were LOADS of beer and liquor.

A V-2 Division party on an island in the Med requistioned many cases of beer from ship stores.

We once had to pull out of Mayport with a skeleton crew to plow right through Hurricane Donna. The officers’ quarters just below deck and forward were flooded because of the high waves. During clean up, the enlisted men were able to “salvage” a lot of bottles and even cases of hooch.


30 posted on 03/05/2012 11:26:38 PM PST by octex
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To: Mariner
"However, I fear this is about catching the hangovers at quarters in the morning."

Or those that maintain BAL of an unacceptable amount.

Back in my days on the Connie, you'd see the occasional flask. Sometimes you could catch a whiff of pot around a catwalk between flight ops. Only saw two guys get the boot though. Both for repeatedly getting so drunk they were still smashed the following day.

31 posted on 03/05/2012 11:29:47 PM PST by moehoward
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To: same old song

Ray Mabus is the kook who used to be governor of Mississippi. He is an Obama arse licker.


32 posted on 03/06/2012 3:16:59 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: same old song

After you’ve looked the other way to fill the ranks with convicted felons to kill Arabs, I guess now that we don’t need them anymore we’re back to “raising the bar”...


33 posted on 03/06/2012 3:39:22 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: dfwgator
LOL!

CC

34 posted on 03/06/2012 4:25:31 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: arderkrag
This country was built by hard-smoking, hard-drinking men. Where are they now?

Mostly dead From Cirrohsis and lung Cancer.

CC

35 posted on 03/06/2012 4:28:31 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: same old song

What shall we do with a drunken sailor,
What shall we do with a drunken sailor,
What shall we do with a drunken sailor,
Early in the morning?

Put/chuck him in the long boat till he’s sober.
Put him in the long-boat and make him bale her.
What shall we do with a drunken soldier?
Put/lock him in the guard room ‘til he gets sober.
Put him in the scuppers with a hose-pipe on him.
Pull out the plug and wet him all over
Tie him to the taffrail when she’s yardarm under
Heave him by the leg in a runnin’ bowline.
Scrape the hair off his chest with a hoop-iron razor.
Give ‘im a dose of salt and water.
Stick on his back a mustard plaster.
Keep him there and make ‘im bale ‘er.
Give ‘im a taste of the bosun’s rope-end.
What’ll we do with a Limejuice skipper?
Soak him in oil till he sprouts a flipper.
What shall we do with the Queen o’ Sheba?
What shall we do with the Virgin Mary?


37 posted on 03/06/2012 4:44:54 AM PST by JackOfVA
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To: arderkrag

“This country was built by hard-smoking, hard-drinking men. Where are they now?”

Those left in the military are trying to avoid the fudge-packers Obama has set loose - with the approval of most of the US population.


38 posted on 03/06/2012 4:45:44 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: sport

That response was supposed to have been on private reply. I have requested that the moderatoe remove it.


39 posted on 03/06/2012 4:49:27 AM PST by sport
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To: JackOfVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uluNnu3h2a8


40 posted on 03/06/2012 4:57:18 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: sport

Hard to put that tooth paste back in the tube,huh? :)


41 posted on 03/06/2012 5:01:20 AM PST by halfright (Just a serf in the Kingdom of Zero)
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To: halfright

Don’t you know it! The risks one takes when posting when half awake.


42 posted on 03/06/2012 6:23:10 AM PST by sport
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To: same old song

I’m glad I retired 10 years ago. I wouldn’t last 6 months in today’s navy.


43 posted on 03/06/2012 6:30:31 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: sport

Yeah, then ya realize 300K people are looking at it and you want to find a hole to crawl in. Yep, I think a lot of us have been there. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ADMIN!!! :)


44 posted on 03/06/2012 6:44:25 AM PST by halfright (Just a serf in the Kingdom of Zero)
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To: JackOfVA

My father used to sing me to sleep to that song.


45 posted on 03/06/2012 7:42:38 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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