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Black Students Face More Discipline, Data Suggests
New York Times ^ | March 6, 2012 | TAMAR LEWIN

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:27:41 AM PST by reaganaut1

Black students, especially boys, face much harsher discipline in public schools than other students, according to new data from the Department of Education.

Although black students made up only 18 percent of those enrolled in the schools sampled, they accounted for 35 percent of those suspended once, 46 percent of those suspended more than once and 39 percent of all expulsions, according to the Civil Rights Data Collection’s 2009-10 statistics from 72,000 schools in 7,000 districts, serving about 85 percent of the nation’s students. The data covered students from kindergarten age through high school.

One in five black boys and more than one in 10 black girls received an out-of-school suspension. Over all, black students were three and a half times as likely to be suspended or expelled than their white peers.

And in districts that reported expulsions under zero-tolerance policies, Hispanic and black students represent 45 percent of the student body, but 56 percent of those expelled under such policies.

“Education is the civil rights of our generation,” said Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, in a telephone briefing with reporters on Monday. “The undeniable truth is that the everyday education experience for too many students of color violates the principle of equity at the heart of the American promise.”

The department began gathering data on civil rights and education in 1968, but the project was suspended by the Bush administration in 2006. It has been reinstated and expanded to examine a broader range of information, including, for the first time, referrals to law enforcement, an area of increasing concern to civil rights advocates who see the emergence of a school-to-prison pipeline for a growing number of students of color.

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At the NYT site, commenter Steve B. writes

'There you go again. Disproportionate numbers in relation to the population don't mean a thing in and of themselves. Blacks are far, far more representative in the National Basketball League than their population proportions, but reasonable people don't go around claiming that there is a racial bias in who get hired simply because there is a disproportionate number of Black players.

Did The Times ask about the reasons behind what this study found? Could it be that Blacks are more rebellious to school authorities? Or that "acting White" is consistent with good behavior so that those Black students who do exhibit good behavior are bullied because of it, and then exhibit less of it?'

1 posted on 03/06/2012 5:27:45 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Inconvenient fact alert...

75% of black kids live in families without fathers.


2 posted on 03/06/2012 5:33:09 AM PST by y6162
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To: reaganaut1

Perhaps they cause more trouble.

Just saying.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 5:34:17 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: reaganaut1
Calling Mr Obvious................

Urgent call for Mr Obvious.....

4 posted on 03/06/2012 5:34:36 AM PST by Pietro
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To: reaganaut1
It's consistent with adult crime statistics. For example, blacks commit 52% of all homicides. If anything, the schools are probably bending over backwards to avoid suspending black students.
5 posted on 03/06/2012 5:36:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Pietro
“Black Students Face More Discipline, Data Suggests”

DUH???????? Perhaps they are the ones that NEED the discipline. Like others have stated, perhaps they are the ones who break the laws, are unruley, etc.

I'm sick and tired of the discrimination placed towards anyone who is NOT black while the blacks get their free ride because of their color. Skin comes off, it's what is underneath that skin and inside the individual that makes the difference.

6 posted on 03/06/2012 5:44:01 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Pietro
“Black Students Face More Discipline, Data Suggests”

DUH???????? Perhaps they are the ones that NEED the discipline. Like others have stated, perhaps they are the ones who break the laws, are unruley, etc.

I'm sick and tired of the discrimination placed towards anyone who is NOT black while the blacks get their free ride because of their color. Skin comes off, it's what is underneath that skin and inside the individual that makes the difference.

7 posted on 03/06/2012 5:44:01 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: reaganaut1

I’m sure you have not seen this yet so I hope you don’t mind be giving you a link which has the same subject.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2855159/posts?page=26.

The facts are ignored, from seeing this first hand to hearing my kids and their pals then it is the black community which has a big problem.
Blacks are upsetting classes, schools and groups for the most part where my kids go to , they are the ones who are disrespectful, starting trouble and thinking school is a joke.


8 posted on 03/06/2012 5:45:15 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Telling the truth is racist.

That’s the whole point behind “political correctness” - punishing and suppressing truth telling.


9 posted on 03/06/2012 5:48:12 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: y6162

I’m a gonna guess the white and hispanic kids born illegitimate or otherwise without fathers or with fathers in prison, also have a very high level of “harsh discipline” because they grow up from cute little fuzzy welfare babies into angry teenagers with postive malke role model, little or no male family support, no respect for themselves or authority... so look out

I support very harsh discipline for these kids- special high schools run like military boot camp to make men out of them


10 posted on 03/06/2012 5:48:25 AM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: reaganaut1

—Black Students Face More Discipline, Data Suggests—

And male students face mre discipline than females.

So? Maybe the blacks and males should clean up their act.


11 posted on 03/06/2012 5:52:29 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: reaganaut1

Gee, I wonder why that is so? It couldn’t be because they misbehave at higher rates, because that would be racist. /s


12 posted on 03/06/2012 5:52:43 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: chesley

The reason is that they don’t know how to act in public. They are moonbat spawn..... no rules


13 posted on 03/06/2012 5:54:13 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

I call day care kids and kids without fathers, feral children.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 6:00:02 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: reaganaut1

I just had to look it up:

According to racial equality activist Richard Lapchick, the NBA in 2011 was composed of 83 percent players of color, including 78 percent black players, four percent Latino players, and one percent Asian players; 17 percent of the players were white.

Hall of Fame player and Indiana Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird in 2004 stated that the league needed more white players since the league’s fans are mostly white. “And if you just had a couple of white guys in there, you might get them [the fans, not the guys] a little excited. But it is a black man’s game, and it will be forever. I mean, the greatest athletes in the world are African-American,” said Bird.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Players_of_color_in_the_NBA


15 posted on 03/06/2012 6:00:07 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: y6162

Leaving aside the racist comments on this thread, what we need to worry about is the coming ‘fix’: More white children suspended/expelled to ‘even out the numbers’. We need to question every single time a white child is punished for a zero tolerance idiocy, such as drawing a gun, taking an asprin, using an asthma inhaler, etc. Suggest that racial balance may be the hidden culprit behind these nonsense suspensions.


16 posted on 03/06/2012 6:01:52 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: reaganaut1

You know, when I taught at a 99% black high school, the majority of kids being punished WERE BLACK!


17 posted on 03/06/2012 6:03:18 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Perhaps they cause more trouble...”

I agree. It is so easy for certain groups to complain about “racism” when they are simply being held to the same standard as “other” groups. Example in point: at my son’s high school, a black male student beat the heck out of his girlfriend, drug her down a flight of stairs by her hair, punched the security guards and was found with pot. He was suspended for 10 days (after his arrest, of course). His Mom met with the principal and guidance counselor and you can guess what she claimed... her son was being discriminated against because he was black.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 6:06:50 AM PST by momtothree
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To: sportutegrl

Accusations of profiling is just a way to exempt minorities from discipline. The next effect will be more violent chaotic schools, not more white expulsions.

The “bullying” gambit is also designed to oppress white students as well.

Pointing out the facts is not racist, yet.


19 posted on 03/06/2012 6:07:06 AM PST by y6162
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To: reaganaut1

My school is 99% Latino, so I don’t have much personal experience in this matter. I will say that with the handful of black students I have had, the girls have been very good, but a few of the boys have been very, very uncooperative. And their demeanor is different than the Latino kids. Latino kids goof off and are sullen and downcast when they get into trouble. Black boys are more likely to try and stare you down in a most threatening manner. It may be all bravado, but they don’t realize how much it ramps up the tension in the confrontation. Most of the teachers are Latino with a sprinkling of whites and Asians, and none of us are terribly happy with an openly aggressive student.


20 posted on 03/06/2012 6:08:24 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: reaganaut1

Is it because they don’t behave?


21 posted on 03/06/2012 6:13:57 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: struggle

I am more concerned that there will be less suspensions which will result in less education across the board.

Turn minds into mush, then give them to Ward Churchill. Yeah, that will work /sarc.


22 posted on 03/06/2012 6:25:15 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: reaganaut1
“Over all, black students were three and a half times as likely to be suspended or expelled than their white peers.”

In other news : It was found that black students were four and a half times as likely to act up and cause problems than their white peers.

Liberal logic = Any problem caused by any group of people that equal less than 50% of the population can be blamed on racism.

23 posted on 03/06/2012 6:31:02 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: reaganaut1
According to DOJ crime statistics, blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of the murders.

Should we have a 12% cap on the number of murders they are allowed to be convicted of?

24 posted on 03/06/2012 6:34:02 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: reaganaut1
Check out the populations of the jails, see which group commits the most murders, check out which group of people give birth to the highest percentage number {75%} of bastards, See which group have the highest percentage number of abortions, and finally, ax if there is any relationship among the numbers and the number of black men the can pro-create but won't marry and support the receivers of their sperm.

Black women living in government housing, eating by using EBT, receiving welfare, using medicade, never having worked at any job, and being the 4th or 5th generation of this life style are destroying the future of all black people in the United States.

LBJ should be burning in everlasting hell for what he knowingly did to the black family.

The demonRATs planned the demise of the family, have supported gay "marriage" which is part of the communist plan in order to get the gummint more involved in our daily life.

I'll never go Galt, but I may go George Washington.

25 posted on 03/06/2012 6:45:25 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: reaganaut1

This all happened before. When the Left takes over in an aggressive way (manages to intimidate the people around them with their rage and threatening response to those who object) they use racial and sexual hate and division like a battering ram on American institutions. It is totally demoralizing.

They have made a lot of progress over the years in dismantling American society and institutions with this stragety of race lies, hate and blame. They have nothing but hate and injustice to replace what they demoralize and destroy.

Deeper injustice, violence and hate ensues. White people (especially heterosexual males and Christians)are always the devil that made the “victims” violent failures and so white males are targeted racially and sexually for legal, mental, social and physical abuse. This is the Left’s demanded “remedy” to “victimhood.”


26 posted on 03/06/2012 6:58:45 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: sportutegrl

In diversity hate doctrines, whites are scapegoated; white racism, as Flip Wilson would say, made the devil do it.

So the remedy is to target whites for self shame and hate re-education, injustice and violence. They got this gem from Mao.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:49 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: MrB
That’s the whole point behind “political correctness” - punishing and suppressing truth telling.

I define PC as mandatory stupidity.

29 posted on 03/06/2012 7:08:22 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Joe the Pimpernel

“According to DOJ crime statistics, blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of the murders.”

It is virtually impossible to stop this. The same bozos causing the problems are spawning more troublemakers that take it to a new level. It will continue to accelerate to an unknown, but clearly unpleasant, end.


30 posted on 03/06/2012 7:13:09 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: reaganaut1

C’mon folks. This is just part of the MSM’s Obama support agenda.
Since minority children (except, I bet, for Asians...) face more discipline, this must STILL be a racist country - Re-elect Obama and assuage your racist guilt...


31 posted on 03/06/2012 7:13:41 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: reaganaut1

This wasn’t happening that often to black kids in Beverly Hills. I think this is happening where the parents are messed up and passed up being messed up to the kids.
As a kicker, the last 20 years many lower economic parents have been drinking, doing pot in the name of libertarians and other drugs while pregnant and we have about 20% of the kids disabled due to that problem.


32 posted on 03/06/2012 7:16:44 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Disambiguator

Keep in mind this perspective:

when political correctness was first proposed,
it was called by its more descriptive term

“cultural marxism”


33 posted on 03/06/2012 7:17:16 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
Should we have a 12% cap on the number of murders they are allowed to be convicted of?

I'm sure liberals have thought of that.

34 posted on 03/06/2012 7:18:35 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: MrB

True, but I see that as more of the agenda-centric description, whereas mine is how it is actually practiced.


35 posted on 03/06/2012 7:28:25 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: reaganaut1

Bravo Sierra!

When I was in school, in addition to our white principal, we always had a black vice-principal whose job it was to dole out tit-for-tat suspensions to white kids, to make things “fair”. Has only gotten worse in the years since then.


36 posted on 03/06/2012 7:30:06 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sportutegrl

“Putting aside the racist comments on this thread”

That statement alone makes you part of the problem. No one has uttered anything racist in the comments previous to your post. They have simply illustrated frustration with easily observable behaviors that are disruptive and/or violent that wind up costing everyone else in terms of money, security and educational opportunity.

This attitude in itself, this tying of hands against this type of oppression, has been a type of racism waged against those who are not black.


37 posted on 03/06/2012 7:35:38 AM PST by Crucial
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