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Santorum, Gingrich Two Man Debates
Free Republic ^ | Nevuary 33, 2084 | Gulfbreeze

Posted on 03/07/2012 9:06:52 AM PST by GulfBreeze

Newt was on Bill Bennett’s show this morning. He sounded very tired (to be expected) but encouraged that he had done well and picked up his home state. He sounded committed to the idea of promoting his values and agenda.

Neither of these two, Santorum and Gingrich, really want to get out but they are both realizing that America's third choice is careening towards a delegate victory. If neither of them is going to get out, Gingrich and Santorum need to have some Lincoln Douglas modified debates that exclude the two liberal candidates.

I think they would begin to siphon back some of the protest votes going to Ron Paul as well as pull back some of the “follow the leader” votes that have been drifting to Romney.


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1 posted on 03/07/2012 9:06:56 AM PST by GulfBreeze
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To: GulfBreeze

I’m down with that. Newt’s muh man but Rick is my backup.

Exclude the others and air some real ideas.


2 posted on 03/07/2012 9:09:21 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: GulfBreeze

I think that would be a tremendous idea. Doubt it will happen, though.


3 posted on 03/07/2012 9:09:55 AM PST by Antoninus (In states where Newt is ahead, vote Newt. In states where Rick is ahead, vote Rick. Defeat Romney.)
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To: GulfBreeze

Just play the video, not one new word would be spoken. And it would be a waste of time.


4 posted on 03/07/2012 9:12:55 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: GulfBreeze
A lack of debates aren't what got us to the present state of affairs. More debates with only our conservative amen chorus invited is not going to change the situation.

Seven reasons for Rick Santorum


  1. Who has won the most states without the benefit of their own money, last election's organization or a billionaire casino sugar daddy?
  2. Who is everybody's second choice when he isn't their first?
  3. Who can get both the Romney people and the Gingrich people, who hate each other, to vote for him?
  4. Who has the best record on immigration?
  5. Who has the best plan for repealing ObamaCare? And is the only GOP candidate who didn't help write or approve legislation which helped spawn this fiasco?
  6. Who has the best plan for expanding the American economy and strengthening American families?
  7. Who is the closest thing we have to the "generic Republican" which polls show consistently beating Obama and is most likely to make the election about Obama's sorry record rather than about himself?

5 posted on 03/07/2012 9:14:52 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GulfBreeze

Yeah, Rick’s gonna jump right on that....../s


6 posted on 03/07/2012 9:18:47 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: GulfBreeze
GOP PRIMARY: Popular Vote - -- Soft Pledged –- - Soft Unpledged – -- Soft Total –- - Hard Total

Formatted Chart.

Original Source

7 posted on 03/07/2012 9:19:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Vendome

Won’t happen.

Santorum knows he would get creamed in any one on one debate with Newt.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 9:20:55 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Vendome

Won’t happen.

Santorum knows he would get creamed in any one on one debate with Newt.


9 posted on 03/07/2012 9:20:55 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: GulfBreeze

If both men care more about their country, one of them should be willing to step aside and endorse the other one, in order to keep Romney from winning this thing.

At this point, 55-60% of the voters in most of the states, are not ready to accept Romney as their candidate. If neither one of these two candidates steps aside very soon, then the other 40% will beat the ‘split’ 60%, and give the nomination to Romney.


10 posted on 03/07/2012 9:25:10 AM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: GulfBreeze

Santorum and Gingrich - Start Debating Democrat leaders, candidates, and activists Now!

Do NOT wait for the Fall - Start NOW in March!

Certainly they can have discussions and debates together, but we need to see how our candidates go against the Dems now. Rick and Newt and others should debate the Dems at all levels, - national, state and local. Show your stuff, prove yourself now.

Openly challenge BO to discussions and debates in March and April.

Gingrich and Santorum are killing each other. - by xzins (Since 1998)

Rick and Newt need to get together and cream Romney. - by Linda Frances

* Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee *

The FR Golden Gate Plan! => Post 55 "GOP Brokered Primary Now!" thread

11 posted on 03/07/2012 9:27:19 AM PST by Golden Gate
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To: GulfBreeze

the choice is:

The bushes 4th term, or

the man who takes no crap, and scares the hell out of the communists (democrats) and the socialists (republican) alike....

I will not be part of a white fubo, nor will I accept the bushes 4th term...


12 posted on 03/07/2012 9:32:53 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Vigilanteman

LOL! You really need to quit spamming these threads with this pollyannish graphic and ridiculous synopsis. You are embarrassing yourself.


13 posted on 03/07/2012 9:33:10 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: GulfBreeze

I think there is one more debate. There will be no Lincoln-Douglass style debates in the primary or in the general election.

They are going to have to sell themselves outside debates.


14 posted on 03/07/2012 9:39:47 AM PST by dforest
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To: GulfBreeze

Bad idea. Douglas won those debates.


15 posted on 03/07/2012 9:40:11 AM PST by steve8714 (Thank you, Andrew. I miss you already.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Take away the New England liberal states and the states with large mormon populations and what’s left for Romney? Not much!


16 posted on 03/07/2012 9:42:52 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: GulfBreeze
Sounds fine. But I'm not sure anything substantial would result that hasn't already been aired over the past dozen or so debates.

Gingrich is no doubt the better orator but Santorum gave as good as he got. I expect the outcome would be the same.

17 posted on 03/07/2012 9:43:06 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Vigilanteman

I like the graphic and the synopsis. I can see why Newt’s supporters would lose heart when seeing it though...


18 posted on 03/07/2012 9:44:49 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: GulfBreeze

I’d love to see it.

And Santorum doesn’t have to worry about Newt “beating” him. In both the “Lincoln-Doublas” debates I saw, with Cain and with Huntsman, in both cases Newt had a way of elevating his debate partner. In both cases they came off well. Newt has that quality about him.


19 posted on 03/07/2012 9:45:24 AM PST by marron
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To: GulfBreeze
The two liberal candidates are Romney and Santorum.

The two conservative candidates are Gingrich and Paul.

20 posted on 03/07/2012 9:46:16 AM PST by tentmaker (vote for John Galt)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Yes; so Newt should announce his withdrawal tomorrow.


21 posted on 03/07/2012 9:46:30 AM PST by steve8714 (Thank you, Andrew. I miss you already.)
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To: marron
“Lincoln-Doublas”

As I recall, Doublas lost because his name was spelled funny.

22 posted on 03/07/2012 9:47:31 AM PST by marron
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To: pgkdan
[Take away the New England liberal states and the states with large mormon populations and what’s left for Romney? Not much!

}

You mean, like the entire West Coast, including the inner coastal states?

Stop it! I can't laugh this hard, so much in one place!

23 posted on 03/07/2012 9:49:41 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: joe fonebone

Joe,
Than you need to figure out how Newt can get votes. He is great I will give you that, but he can’t get people to vote for him. That is a major problem that he needs to address before talking about debates.
Bob


24 posted on 03/07/2012 9:52:30 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I also don’t think a Lincoln Douglas debate would go over too well at this stage of the game. It’s too far gone to help either candidate.

The moment I woke up this morning and took a hard look at the statistics, reality came on like a double espresso!


25 posted on 03/07/2012 9:53:30 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: pgkdan

Sarcasm duly noted.......But, you can chase rainbows all you like, you seem to thrive on that sort of thing. What ever turns your crank.


26 posted on 03/07/2012 9:56:40 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
As opposed to the Newt Kool Aid drinkers who remain convinced that their guy is the only man who can possibly win despite having won only two states on his home turf?
27 posted on 03/07/2012 9:58:44 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GulfBreeze

Santorum is not going to go one on one with Gingrich.


28 posted on 03/07/2012 9:59:50 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Looks to be a lot more accurate than the crap you’ve been spamming the forum with. And this guy even provided some links. In the past few days, I’ve seen yours without them.

I specifically addressed one whopper to you, and you are still posting it on the forum unaltered.

Have you successfully challenged any of what this guy posted here, on point?


29 posted on 03/07/2012 10:02:26 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: GulfBreeze

Gingrich & Santorum have already had a Lincoln-Douglas style debate:

Preview (Newt Gingrich Schools Rick Santorum in Debate) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wDknt8RdyY&feature=related

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yli6Sma_ZTY

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXHbOisNU0&feature=related

Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufq1159f5e8&feature=related

Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7EPVYrhu2g&feature=related

Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAdfF-75AQ8&feature=related

Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4fn4lCP0c&feature=related

Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oquMIC0kRL8&feature=related

Part 8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPsNGjtD300&feature=related


30 posted on 03/07/2012 10:02:48 AM PST by Josh Painter ("We intend to change Washington, not accomodate it." - Newt Gingrich)
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To: napscoordinator
I am now to the point, where the best we can do, is keep both candidates in the race and stir up a brokered convention. Between the two, they do better in various states together in the race, where if one were to drop out, most of the votes from either would go between Romney and Paul.

I say this because the majority of voters (independents included, view the biggest reason to vote for a candidate are due to the economy.) That Demographic, mostly views Romney as the most experienced Executive, with Business experience, Family Man, etc.

IOW, Newt and Santorum stand the best chance of hurting Romney of they both stay in.

31 posted on 03/07/2012 10:05:37 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Vigilanteman
No, I am talking more about the Koolaid drinkers who still think that Santorum can win.
32 posted on 03/07/2012 10:07:35 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: GulfBreeze

The problem with that approach is that it only demonstrates speaking and debating ability, as well as vision.

Newt handily wins in these categories. I think we all know this. So there is no reason to do it, much as I enjoy Lincoln Douglas style debates. I see why newt wants it, though.

The problem is that newt is not dependable, and he’s not really a good person. He is too selfish to represent us or be a trusted steward of the presidency. So another debate wouldn’t change that. America won’t learn to love him more. I realize that newt supporters seem to hate Santorum.

It’s a given that we all prefer someone. Now, do we wish to stop Romney with Santorum, or not stop Romney? Newt is not stopping Romney even slightly. Face the music and decide. Soon. Because Romney is becoming our nominee. Die on the newt hill? Will it have been worth it?


33 posted on 03/07/2012 10:08:37 AM PST by Yaelle (Santorums 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: GulfBreeze

I think Gingrich and Santorum should agree to meet with a group of genuine conservatives—e.g., Jim DeMint, Sarah Palin, Ken Cuccinelli, etc.—and lay out their total platforms in the form of PROMISES (that will be published) and let the group pick the most conservative based upon what they promise to do if elected, the other candidate to back out. Then make public the chosen candidate and platform and let everyone get behind them.


34 posted on 03/07/2012 10:10:31 AM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Go pick a fight with someone else, I am not available

Unless you are still stuck in the 5th grade, this is not a playground, and you are not the bully in charge of it. So grow up stop whining.

Like Sarah Palin just said to Santorum and his fanatics; OH, BOO-HOO!

35 posted on 03/07/2012 10:11:12 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Yaelle
Well said.

Folks need to stop investing in personalities and start looking at the realities.

Its all there for those with eyes to see.

36 posted on 03/07/2012 10:15:34 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Most of us realize Santorum is a long shot. Maybe even a 'hail Mary' pass when your team is down by four points with 12 seconds left on the clock.

Newt, on the other hand, is a 'hail Mary' pass when your team is down by four touchdowns with 12 seconds left on the clock.

37 posted on 03/07/2012 10:19:28 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I agree with you. I just wish Santorum’s staff would stop calling for Newt to leave. Newt is an adult and will make that decision on his own just like Santorum will make the decision if it comes to that too....I really hate that.


38 posted on 03/07/2012 10:20:00 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: pgkdan; vigilante

Yeah, Psycho-Freep wouldn’t like the graphic: Do the math.

Thanks Vig..for posting.


39 posted on 03/07/2012 10:23:11 AM PST by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: napscoordinator

I agree, naps.

They need to come together on their own volition.


40 posted on 03/07/2012 10:24:25 AM PST by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: napscoordinator

naps,

There are only 50 delegates separating the two......


41 posted on 03/07/2012 10:28:30 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Vigilanteman
I really respect your enthusiasm, but looking into the depth of the internals that drive this Primary, it comes down to funding, preparation, organization and planning. No candidate can win without dominating those 4 elements.

Santorum is extremely weak or has completely failed in all of these categories. He has lost too many delegates due to poor organization and planning alone. His inexperience in a national election is to blame. Also, the severe lack of interest in Santorum for the entire first 7/8th of the campaign year us also a factor.

Let's face it, you can't win against or without the fundamentals.

42 posted on 03/07/2012 10:30:27 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Rush was just reassuring us that an Obama victory is not inevitable.

“Either Romney or Santorum can beat Obama”


43 posted on 03/07/2012 10:31:11 AM PST by guinnessman
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To: napscoordinator

Did you read the thread where Sarah addressed the Santorum campaign calling for Newt to quit? She said that Newt needs to stay in for several reasons, but I nearly laughed till I cried at her response to them; “OH, BOO-HOO! Quit whining.” LOL!


44 posted on 03/07/2012 10:34:41 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: SoConPubbie

Uh uj uhh uh well... I mmmmm...


45 posted on 03/07/2012 10:34:54 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Go pick a fight with someone else, I am not available

Please explain to the forum who responded to me under your name then.

Unless you are still stuck in the 5th grade, this is not a playground, and you are not the bully in charge of it. So grow up stop whining.

Read your own post here.  LINK 

Who was it that was trying to play the bully in charge of the playground?

Who was it that was dismissing information posted in an adult mannor?

Who was it that was trying to put an end to someone else's first amendment rights?

Who was it that acted like someone stuck in the fifth grade?

Who was it that was whining?

I didn't ask you to stop posting your tripe, but I did address the fact that you had been shown where some of it was a clear misrepresentation that was essentially an effort to loft a character assassination lie.

So you asked a guy to stop embarrassing himself by posting the truth.

I didn't ask you to stop embarrassing yourself by posting lies.

So who is the fifth grade whiner here?

Like Sarah Palin just said to Santorum and his fanatics; OH, BOO-HOO!


Yes, oh boo hoo.

You really need to reconsider your pseudonym if you're going to continue to conduct yourself this way.


46 posted on 03/07/2012 10:35:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I did. I thought it was funny too. I wish he would stop! He can tell his campaign to knock it off. Right now his staff is asking but silence makes Rick agree with this.


47 posted on 03/07/2012 10:37:37 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: guinnessman

Rush is no different than you or I. He has an opinion which that is no better than any of ours, and he has been terribly wrong on many things, repeatedly through his past. Especially, during the 2008 election.


48 posted on 03/07/2012 10:38:12 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m ignoring you. If you are in the mood to flame somebody, or are looking for somebody to taunt, you are in the wrong place......I’m done with you.


49 posted on 03/07/2012 10:41:42 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: GulfBreeze

Why doesn’t Mark Levin or Mike Gallagher stage a two-man debate between them on the radio? Not sure any other outlet would do it without the libs. Technically, Newt and Rick already had one two-man debate back in November which is on YouTube.


50 posted on 03/07/2012 10:45:19 AM PST by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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