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Pat Robertson: "It's time we stop locking up people for possession of marijuana..."
Reason ^ | March 6, 2012 | Mike Riggs

Posted on 03/07/2012 10:40:18 PM PST by MetaThought

Pat Robertson, America's longest-serving eschatological bigot and spiritual leader, took to the airwaves of the 700 Club last week and denounced the war on weed, as well as liberals, all of whom write laws in a "punitive spirit." Putting aside the fact that Robertson has, on occasion, invited God to smite people people of abominable politics and preferences, this time he is making (some) sense:

We here in America make up 5% of the world's population, but we make up 25% of jailed prisoners...

Every time the liberals pass a bill -- I don't care what it involves -- they stick criminal sanctions on it. They don't feel there is any way people are going to keep a law unless they can put them in jail.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 700club; cannabis; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; pastors; patrobertson; pot; potheads; reason; substanceabuse; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 03/07/2012 10:40:21 PM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

“America’s longest-serving eschatological bigot”

LOL ! that’s a funny phrase there! :)


2 posted on 03/07/2012 10:45:44 PM PST by zorro8987
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To: MetaThought

It’s stupid and doesn’t make sense anymore.

destroy the cartels largest market. Decriminalize possession.

Significantly reduce violent crime, gang crime, cartel crime.

Make the forests once again safe for people who hike off trail... like me.


3 posted on 03/07/2012 10:46:27 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: zorro8987

That caught my eye too.


4 posted on 03/07/2012 10:47:05 PM PST by U-238
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To: MetaThought

I’m sorry Pat, there are enough stoned, drugged, drunk people on the roads I drive as it is.

I think we’ll stick with the IT AIN’T LEGAL, tag.


5 posted on 03/07/2012 10:50:31 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: MetaThought

Totally agree. Decriminalize it. And that’s a former Prosecutor talking.


6 posted on 03/07/2012 10:53:01 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: MetaThought

Pat is getting a bit over the hill, and shows it.


7 posted on 03/07/2012 10:53:11 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: MetaThought

As the West becomes more colonized by Arabs, perhaps we should adopt their cannabis culture.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 10:57:19 PM PST by ansel12
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To: MetaThought

The liberals in CA loves these laws as they are showered with contributions from the prison guards union


9 posted on 03/07/2012 10:59:25 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: MetaThought

He’s gone from a thoughtful, useful individual to a bumbling senile old fool that needs to just stfu.


10 posted on 03/07/2012 11:02:16 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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To: MetaThought

I agree. Have always thought it stupid. Had a roommate who smoked MaryJane. he and his friends made regular runs down to Laredo for pot and relaxation. The driver had to settle for second hand smoke, and the highway cops were pretty tolerant. So long as no one was stupid enough to be caught with a joint in the car. He said it was fun, but got more of a jolt out of drinking beer.


11 posted on 03/07/2012 11:07:32 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: MetaThought

The idea that we are more criminal because we have a larger prison population makes no sense. Many nations are so broken that they don’t even have a cohesive legal system, also many countries have very few laws, and others you can buy your freedom.


12 posted on 03/07/2012 11:08:19 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: MetaThought

I agree we need to legalize all drugs. Stop this madness of locking up the drug user. It is like the roaring 20’s prohibition. When booze was illegal it was everywhere and controlled by the mob and lots of killing over territory. Legalize the drugs. Control it tax it and the gangsters will go away or most of them! The drug cartels would go away too! Use the tax money to help people kick the habit. DEA would go away. Less crime there too!


13 posted on 03/07/2012 11:09:35 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: RIghtwardHo; All

I have talked with several drug users (specifically crack, among others) why said if marijuana were readily available they would never touch crack. Worked 10 years has a health educator/counselor.


14 posted on 03/07/2012 11:10:01 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Arthurio

Bull, the left is pro-drug, the right is anti-drug.

Don’t play that stupid, childish, anti-conservative game of trying to pretend different.

When you convince the Southern Baptist voters to embrace Arabism and Hashish/pot, then we can talk.


15 posted on 03/07/2012 11:16:33 PM PST by ansel12
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To: MetaThought

This myth of simple possession pot smokers being tossed into jail at a rapid rate is bullshit.

The ones that get prosecuted plead down and the ones that actually do make it behind bars are the ones with dealer amounts.

The judges won’t even keep dangerous criminals behind bars. Why would they put pot smokers there?


16 posted on 03/07/2012 11:18:55 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Liberal Democrats love direct democracy until it's time to vote on something)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Decriminalization is a half-measure and half-measures avail only by half. LEGALIZE IT FER CRYIN” OUT LOUD AND LET”S MOVE!!! 100 years of a freakin’ ‘’drug war’’ is enough!


17 posted on 03/07/2012 11:21:22 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

Prison costs a lot. There are other ways of punishing people.


18 posted on 03/07/2012 11:34:27 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: gleeaikin

[ I have talked with several drug users (specifically crack, among others) why said if marijuana were readily available they would never touch crack. Worked 10 years has a health educator/counselor. ]

Drug addicts lie a lot.. whether they are doped up or not..
Thats why they call it DOPE!!!..


19 posted on 03/07/2012 11:35:22 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Shadowstrike

Do you honestly believe there are people NOT smoking Marijuana right now because it’s illegal? This prohibition is every bit as much of a failure as the one against alcohol. Maybe worse.


20 posted on 03/07/2012 11:36:51 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: MetaThought

lock up Robertson!!!


21 posted on 03/07/2012 11:43:07 PM PST by dalereed
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To: MetaThought

Absolutely agree, and I’m not for the legalization of any other currently illegal drug, just MJ.


22 posted on 03/07/2012 11:43:24 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ansel12
Bull, the left is pro-drug, the right is anti-drug.

Says who other than your own worldview?

23 posted on 03/07/2012 11:48:19 PM PST by southern rock
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To: RIghtwardHo
Totally agree. Decriminalize it. And that’s a former Prosecutor talking.

Agree.

It's only given government more control, and an excuse to make government even larger, all on the tax payers backs.

24 posted on 03/07/2012 11:48:32 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MetaThought
Pat Robertson: "It's time we stop locking up people for possession of marijuana..."

Amen!

25 posted on 03/07/2012 11:55:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ansel12

“Bull, the left is pro-drug, the right is anti-drug.

Don’t play that stupid, childish, anti-conservative game of trying to pretend different.”

I always thought that the left was for the all-powerful nanny state telling individuals what they may and may not do and the right was for individual liberty and individual responsibility?

Believing in a limited federal government except in those cases where you have some kind of personal objection is simply not ideologically consistent.

The temperance movement at the turn of the 20th century at least realized that the federal government was a limited one and didn’t have the power to ban alcohol — without a Constitutional Amendment granting it the authority to do so.

But “social” conservatives such as yourself know better and want the federal government to enforce the prohibitions of their choosing. The progressives also know better and want the federal government to enforce extra-Constitutional measures of their choosing. Ideologically, social conservatives have a great deal in common with the left. What they want the government to interfere in is the only real difference.


26 posted on 03/07/2012 11:56:04 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: southern rock

Really? You think Bill Maher, and Fluke, and Michael Moore, and Nancy Pelosi, and Jerry Brown are the only thing stopping the Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, and the right wing from passing our pro-Arab/Hashish laws?


27 posted on 03/07/2012 11:57:41 PM PST by ansel12
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To: MetaThought
"NEXT on the 700 Club, Pat explains why Noah threw the unicorns off the ark and into the raging sea!"

(hint: they were crapping too many Skittles(c)
28 posted on 03/08/2012 12:04:46 AM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: FerociousRabbit

You live in the most powerful nation that has ever existed.

It was created by “Social Conservatives” that would be shooting, imprisoning, and lynching, the social weirdos/libertarians of today.

The federal government had to step in when a new kind of freak arose in America, the polygamist, and Mormonism, the United States Army was sent in.


29 posted on 03/08/2012 12:09:38 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

But they were fine with morphine and marijuana being widely available.


30 posted on 03/08/2012 12:24:16 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought
Codeine used to be non prescription, until teenagers started swilling Cough Syrup for the numbing effect.
31 posted on 03/08/2012 12:25:32 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (New Tagline under construction, please watch your step.)
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To: ansel12

LOL. Well, you pretty much made my point for me.

By saying: “It was created by “Social Conservatives” that would be shooting, imprisoning, and lynching, the social weirdos/libertarians of today” demonstrates that you have absolutely no understanding of the rule of law, what a limited constitutional republic is or the fact that a tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.

Who are the “social conservatives” you refer to? Did they wear white bed sheets or swastikas? Never mind. You probably need help figuring it out. They were both social conservatives.


32 posted on 03/08/2012 12:30:43 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: MetaThought

You don’t confront nothing, until it becomes something.

Cannabis had never come up in Western civilization (as an intoxicant), it was used for ropes and such, but not for getting stoned by whites, it was rejected as an intoxicant in the ancient times, forbidden by old Western Culture, it was confined to be an Eastern/Arab thing.

The parts of the world that have been cannabis drenched for 1000s of years, are all very much like what one would expect from cannabis cultures, very unlike the alcohol based Western Civilization world.


33 posted on 03/08/2012 12:41:15 AM PST by ansel12
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To: FerociousRabbit

It reveals that you have no grasp of who created this nation, or why.

Centuries later, you are the crooked lawyer that is trying to bury them with their own words.


34 posted on 03/08/2012 12:44:41 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Outlaw Woman
I'm going Mexicanese, I think I'm going Mexicanese, I really think so.
35 posted on 03/08/2012 12:53:51 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: Vendome

I say we legalize marijuana the day california, massachusetts and NYC legalize concealed carry. Until then, keep arresting those pot head libs.


36 posted on 03/08/2012 1:02:25 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: MetaThought
When drugs are legalized multinational corporations will dominate production and sales.

And “Occupy Wall Street” will demand that the CEO’s be imprisoned.

37 posted on 03/08/2012 1:14:10 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zorro8987

It’s time for the kids to lock Pat in the basement with Ron Paul


38 posted on 03/08/2012 2:08:43 AM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: ansel12
Bull, the left is pro-drug, the right is anti-drug. Don’t play that stupid, childish, anti-conservative game of trying to pretend different.

Why don't you lose your stupid, childish, anti-conservative totalitarianism hypocrisy, and let the adults discuss issues you can't fathom with your crayons.

The right - IN AMERICA - is about the Constitution, moron.

PERIOD.

39 posted on 03/08/2012 2:47:14 AM PST by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Why don’t you lose your stupid, childish, anti-conservative totalitarianism hypocrisy, and let the adults discuss issues you can’t fathom with your crayons.

The right - IN AMERICA - is about the Constitution, moron.

PERIOD.

Now, grow up, and become a warrior.


40 posted on 03/08/2012 2:52:11 AM PST by ansel12
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To: MetaThought
The W.O.D. has turned what was once basically harmless pot into a far more potent plant than nature left alone would have created. The Pot on the streets is not the Pot of the 60's-80's which was basically less harmful than alcohol and non addictive. The W.O.D. for the most part has become a war on everyone and is into everyones private business. Legalizing Pot would reduce jail populations no doubt.

The W.O.D. became the War On Citizens when forfeiture and confiscation laws took affect. It became profitable for LEA's to do raids as they became a revenue source for local and state governments. The name of the game became take it and make them prove they weren't dealing etc. If you had lots of cash on you and got pulled over for speeding or a non functioning light it became an excuse to search and take the money. Sure you might get it back...several years later. This in turn brought corruption to these agencies.

I would go as far as too say the METH Lab issue would disappear almost overnight if legit manufactures were allowed to make it. Actually they do and government schools push it off on our children.

I don't condone the use of POT nor METH for that matter. But one thing we know from history is prohibition is the spawning bed of some of the largest criminal empires our nation has seen. Moonshine and Bootlegging was very profitable in it's day. Did it stop even the legal sale of alcohol? No.

I'll explain that part. During Prohibition to get around the laws companies began selling Tonics or other such alcohol included liquids via door to door sales or in drug stores. Many years ago I used too collect old bottles as a hobby with my dad and an uncle. To find the bottles we would sometimes go into town and dig out old filled up cisterns which had been filled with trash after public water utilities came about in the early 1900's. We could literally tell what era of time we were digging in by the type of bottles we were finding. Most of the ones we dug had lots and lots of medicine bottles near the top LOL. The stuff was about 40-80 proof.

The W.O.D. has gotten way out of hand. The average person can't even buy cold medicine without photo ID and being placed in a "we're watching you" database. That is simply not right. Worse than that is these same agencies are using the W.O.D. to obtain information on all your medications. Had a tooth pulled and given Codeine? They know.

There are no easy answers. But the War On Drugs is being used to justify just about anything these days including invading law abiding persons right to privacy.

41 posted on 03/08/2012 2:56:09 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MetaThought

Maybe God told Pat to leave the potheads alone. “It’s all cool, man” was the message from on “high”.

Pat Robertson has said some quotable things for both the left and the right. Legalizing marijuana is one of those issues that has converts all over the spectrum.


42 posted on 03/08/2012 2:58:34 AM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . 2012 for change, this time for the people)
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To: ansel12

I hope you get better, really.


43 posted on 03/08/2012 3:18:30 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Shadowstrike

This is an honest question. Do you really think any significant number if people avoid smoking marijuana because it is illegal? Really?


44 posted on 03/08/2012 3:22:10 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: FerociousRabbit

So Nazis were socons? LOL

Only in an alternate universe.


45 posted on 03/08/2012 3:39:02 AM PST by bereanway
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To: MetaThought

you don’t have to legalize it right away

i have a sailboat and i’ve always thought about bringing in a ton of Durban Poison

rather have that happen while I can get $4000lb rather than $40lb

know what i mean ;^)


46 posted on 03/08/2012 3:40:39 AM PST by AnTiw1 (Ben Franklin: "where Liberty is, there is my country")
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Maybe Pat got around to reading Genesis 1:29

“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”

Seems pretty clear the government has no business making illegal what God put here....

The reason that this seed bearing plant was made illegal was that the bureaucracy that enforced prohibition was threatened when they saw that prohibition would end. The repeal took away the reason for their jobs, so they need a different drug law to enforce.


47 posted on 03/08/2012 3:46:30 AM PST by Leto (Damn shame Sarah didn't run the Presidency was there for the taking)
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To: ansel12
The right - IN AMERICA - is about the Constitution, moron.

OK, you said that, and I happen to agree.

Now, please show us the clause of the Constitution that gives the federal government the right to over-ride state laws regarding the growing, harvesting, and sale of a plant.

48 posted on 03/08/2012 4:04:17 AM PST by Notary Sojac (A liberal, a conservative, and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hi. Mitt!!".)
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To: MetaThought

Personally, I agree with Robertson. Let the cops focus on real crime with real victims. Let the stoners waste their life away and not hurt anyone but themselves. Let the people who do work hard smoke a joint in their house after a long day if they so choose as long as they stay off the roads. The drug can be destructive if abused, but so can alcohol. Take the big money out of it. People have to make their own decisions.


49 posted on 03/08/2012 5:04:31 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: ansel12
" Cannabis had never come up in Western civilization (as an intoxicant), it was used for ropes and such, but not for getting stoned by whites, it was rejected as an intoxicant in the ancient times, forbidden by old Western Culture, it was confined to be an Eastern/Arab thing. "

perhaps you might want to rethink that

Nearly two pounds of still-green plant material found in a 2,700-year-old grave in the Gobi Desert has just been identified as the world's oldest marijuana stash, according to a paper in the latest issue of the Journal of Experimental Botany.

A barrage of tests proves the marijuana possessed potent psychoactive properties and casts doubt on the theory that the ancients only grew the plant for hemp in order to make clothing, rope and other objects.

They apparently were getting high too.

Lead author Ethan Russo told Discovery News that the marijuana "is quite similar" to what's grown today.

"We know from both the chemical analysis and genetics that it could produce THC (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase, the main psychoactive chemical in the plant)," he explained, adding that no one could feel its effects today, due to decomposition over the millenia.

Russo served as a visiting professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Botany while conducting the study. He and his international team analyzed the cannabis, which was excavated at the Yanghai Tombs near Turpan, China. It was found lightly pounded in a wooden bowl in a leather basket near the head of a blue-eyed Caucasian man who died when he was about 45. (source: Discovery Channel)

you see, there ya go...

even ancient man was running around without the control freaks' permission

50 posted on 03/08/2012 5:32:49 AM PST by AnTiw1 (Ben Franklin: "where Liberty is, there is my country")
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