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Pat Robertson: Pot should be legal like alcohol
Associated Press ^ | Thursday, Mar. 8, 2012 | MICHAEL FELBERBAUM

Posted on 03/08/2012 9:21:14 PM PST by Mariner

RICHMOND, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson says marijuana should be legalized and treated like alcohol because the government's war on drugs has failed.

The outspoken evangelical Christian and host of "The 700 Club" on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network he founded said the war on drugs is costing taxpayers billions of dollars. He said people should not be sent to prison for marijuana possession.

The 81-year-old first became a self-proclaimed "hero of the hippie culture" in 2010 when he called for ending mandatory prison sentences for marijuana possession convictions.

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To: Mariner

They’re making a nose spray in Europe that provides the pain-relief benefits of THC without the associated high. The drug manufacturers are allowed to grow marajuana to produce it. If we legalize marajuana, drug companies can more easily produce such drugs - that help millions with severe pain - and do so at a much reduced cost to them and us. I’m open to it. Marajuana is no longer a “gateway drug” IMO. It’s no different from alcohol. Those with a propensity for addiction will drink, smoke, shoot up, or pop pills no matter what the law allows.


51 posted on 03/08/2012 10:03:46 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mariner

Have I crossed to another dimension and Pat Robertson said that pot should be legalized?


52 posted on 03/08/2012 10:03:59 PM PST by U-238
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To: Mariner
Did anybody say 'smoking pot'?


53 posted on 03/08/2012 10:04:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Antoninus
Legalize drugs and watch what happens to this country. It will be uninhabitable by decent people.

You mean as uninhabitable as it was before 1910?
54 posted on 03/08/2012 10:04:28 PM PST by billybudd
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To: Proud2BeRight

thank you. neither have I


55 posted on 03/08/2012 10:04:33 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Mariner
He grew it too.

He used it to augment the morphine and still be able to nibble a little something.

He died of pancreatic cancer.

VA Hosp doc put the prescription/recommendation in my hand as I was pushing dad out on a wheel chair for home hospice.

Of course he already had 6 plants growing back at the farm lol

56 posted on 03/08/2012 10:06:15 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: KoRn

I do not like the so called war on drugs. But do you honestly think that the Columbian drug cartel or the Mexican drug cartel or the Afghanis heroin growers are some how just going to go away if it is all legalized. Take a look at Zurich and ‘Needle Park’. That drug invested rat hole nearly ruined a beautiful city.


57 posted on 03/08/2012 10:07:37 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Mariner

“Dementia (taken from Latin, originally meaning “madness”, from de- “without” + ment, the root of mens “mind”) is a serious loss of global cognitive ability in a previously unimpaired person, beyond what might be expected from normal aging.

A recent survey done by Harvard University School of Public Health and the Alzheimer’s Europe consortium revealed that the second leading health concern (after cancer) among adults is Dementia.[2]

Dementia is not a single disease, but rather a non-specific illness syndrome (i.e., set of signs and symptoms) in which affected areas of cognition may be memory, attention, language, and problem solving. “ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia


58 posted on 03/08/2012 10:07:59 PM PST by garjog
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To: Mariner
Pot has been around as an intoxicant to man for at least 5,000 years. It reaches back there with alcohol

But not for the white man, Cannabis never penetrated into alcohol based Western Civilization, as an intoxicant, even though it was used for making rope etc.

Even during the Crusades, the white men shunned it's use for that purpose.

59 posted on 03/08/2012 10:08:17 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Mariner

Do you think that Pat is smoking a toke after a taping the 700 club?

/sarc


60 posted on 03/08/2012 10:08:38 PM PST by U-238
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To: Nifster

A truth-bomb blows “arguments” like this apart six ways from Sunday.


61 posted on 03/08/2012 10:09:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Nifster
The only reason to take them is to get high.

That's just not true. Drug companies are now manufacturing a THC nose spray to control severe pain. Patients get the pain relief but not the high. There are actually benefits to marajuana.

62 posted on 03/08/2012 10:09:02 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mariner

My dad, a proud Korea vet and Teamster smoked it to the day he died.


Neat.

My Dad was in China-Burma-India in World War II.

He had very bad migrane headaches and the last 10 years of his life he would smoke a little pot and it helped quite a bit. He was always very discreet.

{He was a full Colonel and as conservative as he could be}.


63 posted on 03/08/2012 10:09:25 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

you bet and the Mafia disappeared when the prohibition on alcohol was lifted. Get real. Criminal activity will continue and it is brutal in a way that few Americans understand


64 posted on 03/08/2012 10:09:29 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

The ban never really went away; this was a wink and nod zone. The same supply chain issues existed.


65 posted on 03/08/2012 10:10:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Mariner

Taking a strict Constitutionalist view, I don’t want the government telling me what I can, and cannot do with my own body. If I want to destroy it through the ingestion of harmful substances, that’s my right - ignorant and irresponsible as it may be.

Having absolute sovereignty over ones own physical body is at the very root of natural property rights. No government has a right to the disposition and function of my very flesh and bones.

Now, I don’t personally use drugs of any kind, unless prescribed by a doctor, but I can choose not to take those, if I wish. I also have a right to ingest them, if I think they’re beneficial to me in some way.

I oppose any push to grant government rights over my body.


66 posted on 03/08/2012 10:10:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: U-238
Do you think that Pat is smoking a toke after a taping the 700 club?

After? Nah, before!

67 posted on 03/08/2012 10:10:36 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Mariner

For the record the Mexican cartels grow in northern California and Oregon. They have killed police officers and civilians who just stumbled on the grow sites. This is a bad business all around. Nothing good comes from drugs


68 posted on 03/08/2012 10:11:21 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster
"Chasing that high leads to endless pain and misery for the users family and friends."

That's one of the most ridiculous, co-dependent contentions I've heard in a very long time.

If those family and friends don't like it, they should remove that person from their life. When children are involved the sober parent should keep the kids.

Besides, I have lived in CA and WA all my civilian years and I have not seen any evidence of the use of pot by a parent harming a child. I have seen dozens of case where alcohol harms a family/child. That's just MY experience...but one that most people on planet earth can attest to for their own.

69 posted on 03/08/2012 10:11:58 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Nifster

The Mafia’s grip weakened at the end of the prohibition period compared to what it had been during that period, although the prohibition period let them get their tentacles into things they wouldn’t have otherwise. Getting real means looking at truth even if it contradicts your previous beliefs.


70 posted on 03/08/2012 10:12:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Revolting cat!

Alcohol occurs in nature.

God himself made alcohol for consumption at a wedding.


71 posted on 03/08/2012 10:12:58 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Proud2BeRight
"Never met a dope smoking dope that I would hire or associate with." They don't call it dope for nothing.

I believe that pot seriously damages the brain. Heavy users in their teens or early twenties who I know are impaired. I know that these guys are very intelligent, who would have been hugely successful, but the drug use has them into idiots. I am not kidding.

They may not admit it, but it is obvious. The drug changes the neural pathways and distorts personalities.


72 posted on 03/08/2012 10:13:26 PM PST by garjog
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To: U-238
"Have I crossed to another dimension and Pat Robertson said that pot should be legalized?"

Yes, and don't forget Bill Buckley for decades before him.

It's the BIG C Conservative position for thinking people.

73 posted on 03/08/2012 10:14:10 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Nifster

The prohibitionary status quo, however well meant, brings much more trouble into conjunction with drugs than the drugs themselves ever could.


74 posted on 03/08/2012 10:14:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Mariner; Revolting cat!

I dedicate “One Toke Over the Line” to Pat.


75 posted on 03/08/2012 10:15:48 PM PST by U-238
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To: garjog

Anything that is driven into underworld status takes a change in character for the worse. There was no widespread plague of kids doping out to this degree before the marijuana bans.


76 posted on 03/08/2012 10:16:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Nifster
you bet and the Mafia disappeared when the prohibition on alcohol was lifted.

Good point. The Mafia was fortunate that the government left them other prohibited substances that there was a demand for so they could maintain their income.

77 posted on 03/08/2012 10:16:17 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: DNA.2012

You are probably not aware of the recent shootings at 2 pharmacies on Long Island, NY in the past 6 months - 5 people dead because a couple pain killer addicted losers went in to steal pain killers.
Also, a very good friend of mine’s wife is hooked on pain killers and their young children are a disaster.


78 posted on 03/08/2012 10:17:22 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: unkus
"{He was a full Colonel and as conservative as he could be}."

Similar story: Mine had a Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts and 3 Campaign Ribbons. Bugle and 21 Gun Salute at the VA site in Riverside.

Pot smoker war hero from about the age of 17 onwards.

A real miscreant and drag on society and Good Order and Discipline.

79 posted on 03/08/2012 10:22:38 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PMAS

In the less hobbled-up past, physicians would either accommodate such cases with maintenance doses or attempt to wean the patient off very slowly — practices which will now get them in dutch with the DEA quicker than you can say expensive medical career in the toilet.


80 posted on 03/08/2012 10:24:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Antoninus
As if the rot in our culture isn't pervasive enough, we want to make it even worse by taking the drug culture mainstream.

The drug culture already is mainstream. The drug prohibition is treated like the 55mph speed limit used to be - it's ignored by everyone except law enforcement.

The War on Drugs is costing us unconscionable amounts of money in law enforcement efforts and prison costs. It's resulted in any number of bad laws infringing on individual freedoms and led to the ongoing militarization of police departments in the US. And yet drugs are everywhere. Our last three presidents are either confirmed to have used or credibly suspected of having used illegal drugs in their younger days. Anyone who wants marijuana can get it - usually in less than an hour and without the age checks that accompany a purchase of liquor.

Anyone who believes that the War on Drugs is accomplishing anything beyond providing price supports for illegal drugs to enrich drug lords isn't playing with a full deck.
81 posted on 03/08/2012 10:26:20 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: PMAS

The same anecdotal horror stories are used by the Left to argue for gun bans.


82 posted on 03/08/2012 10:27:28 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“There was no widespread plague of kids doping out to this degree before the marijuana bans.”

So, you are arguing for legalization?

While I would prefer to be libertarian and let people choose to mess up their lives if they want, I think that Marijuana has a more serious effect on the brain than most people realize, especially on teens and people in early twenties — who are making decisions that affect their whole lives and impact the nature of our culture and economy.

Pot consumption should not be endorsed by government.

When you legalize anything, you encourage it’s use. When advertisers start pushing it usage will double.

“Hey, want to smoke some pot? It’s legal so it can’t be that bad, right?”


83 posted on 03/08/2012 10:29:47 PM PST by garjog
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To: Mark

Rat poison IS legal....can buy it at any garden supply stores.


84 posted on 03/08/2012 10:30:18 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not true, there are plenty of doctors that will write the prescriptions just so they can collect the copay for the visit.


85 posted on 03/08/2012 10:31:42 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: PMAS

Uncle Sam watches this like a hawk today (though political machinations in the Obama administration may have made a temporary glitch in it).


86 posted on 03/08/2012 10:33:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Mariner

Completely agree with him.


87 posted on 03/08/2012 10:33:51 PM PST by SoDak
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To: garjog

Legalization takes a product into the sunshine, out of the underworld. There, scrutiny is more honest, less laden with lies that render it unbelievable — and more importantly it takes the financial incentive away from pushers. Pushers got to be called pushers for a reason — not servers, not providers, but pushers.


88 posted on 03/08/2012 10:35:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: AlmaKing

They are true stories, look it up yourself - search Newsday newspaper in NY.
These are not the “same anecdotal stories used by the left” - I am watching family and friends struggle with the addiction for years now and watching their lives fall apart.
So why don’t you STFU about things you obviously know very little about.


89 posted on 03/08/2012 10:36:42 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: PMAS

You are a case of being unable to see a forest for the one tree your nose got jammed into.


90 posted on 03/08/2012 10:39:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Unfortunately, they are only just starting, the laws are on the books, but no one is enforcing them.
Plus, the addicts jump from doctor to doctor because there is no database on how often a person is getting a prescription of a certain drug - they also use multiple drug stores.


91 posted on 03/08/2012 10:40:39 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s bullshit, I have seen many people fall apart over this - maybe it’s common for you being a RedNeck


92 posted on 03/08/2012 10:42:59 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: garjog
"While I would prefer to be libertarian and let people choose to mess up their lives if they want, I think that Marijuana has a more serious effect on the brain than most people realize, especially on teens and people in early twenties — who are making decisions that affect their whole lives and impact the nature of our culture and economy."

First, your statement is conflicted and contradictory.

That aside, I get it. You are opposed for what you perceive would be the effect it would have on society.

You care what happens to other people. So do most of us other humans.

But you can't fix stupid and you are not your brothers keeper.

The prohibition of alcohol and it's ill effects on society were worse than the "demon alcohol" itself. Same with pot.

93 posted on 03/08/2012 10:44:51 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PMAS

This may be an artifact of the same two faced Obama administration that went to shut down the California medpot farms, which don’t substantially provide his political support, whereas richer doctors do.

Nontheless, the Bush administration was more serious and it provoked many, many complaints from legitimate pain doctors who couldn’t even give a terminal cancer patient enough morphine to quell his suffering as he or she died — we’re talking about someone who would end up dead addiction or not.

Better to let a handful of idiots ruin their own lives, I say, than to condemn hospitals full of legitimate patients to horrible suffering.


94 posted on 03/08/2012 10:46:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: PMAS

Maybe you associate with the wrong kind of people.


95 posted on 03/08/2012 10:47:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Antoninus
As Western civilization is colonized we will see more Cannabis use.

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96 posted on 03/08/2012 10:48:39 PM PST by ansel12
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Legalization takes a product into the sunshine, out of the underworld.”

OK, so legalization eliminates the pushers and deflates illegal trade. There could be benefits there.

But, legalization promotes social acceptance, mass marketing and increased usage.

If you don’t think pot is a big deal, that it doesn’t really damage young people’s brains, then guess there is no reason to keep it banned.

But, if it is harmful, then it should be discouraged. http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/blnida050110.htm


97 posted on 03/08/2012 10:48:53 PM PST by garjog
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To: garjog

I’m sure there is a reason prominent politicians have run on a Prohibition ticket years after it was rescinded.

Why don’t people smoke all manner of other meadow weeds? Because they know it is stupid. Not because some nanny tried to ban it.


98 posted on 03/08/2012 10:51:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: garjog
Pot consumption should not be endorsed by government.

When you legalize anything, you encourage it’s use.


Good God, do you even realize what you're saying? You're putting government in the position of being the all-knowing god of what is and is not good for you. If the government says it's ok, then it must be ok? Who, but a subservient sheep, would believe such a thing? All things that are not to be encouraged should be illegal? That is the most tyrannical attitude regarding the role of government I have seen in a long, long time. You must be a big fan of the "Anything that is not forbidden is mandatory" school of governmental thought.

I'm beginning to think that what some others have said is true: that the true battle is not between Left and Right, it is between statists and free men.

Anyone recall this meme that went around the 'net a while ago?

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants them made illegal.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk radio host, he doesn't listen to him.
If a liberal doesn't like a talk radio host, he wants him banned.

Etc. etc. etc.


Now fill in the blanks:

If a free man doesn't like to smoke pot, he doesn't _____.
If a statist doesn't like to smoke pot, he wants _______.

99 posted on 03/08/2012 10:54:35 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I’m amazed that cocaine and heroin were used medicinally at one point. If you had a cough you could go to Sears (back in the 1800’s,that is)and get a syringe and a tincture of heroin. If you needed a “pick-me-up” you could go to a doctor and get some cocaine.

Hell,they even had water with coke in it!


100 posted on 03/08/2012 10:54:43 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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