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3 linked to Tucson man killed in SWAT raid arrested
Arizona Star ^ | 5-8-2012 | Veronica Cruz

Posted on 03/09/2012 4:50:46 AM PST by willamedwardwallace

Three people connected to Jose Guerena, the man shot and killed during a SWAT raid in May 2011, were arrested on drug and money laundering charges Thursday morning.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: marine; police; swat; tucson
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To: willamedwardwallace
Why don’t you [submit an FOIA request]? You are the keyboard warrior after all?

Stasi-boy has declined to investigate his heroes, for the record.

51 posted on 03/09/2012 6:07:56 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace

So?


52 posted on 03/09/2012 6:09:20 AM PST by sport
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To: kiryandil

No lunatic, I merely offered the opportunity to such a brave keyboard warrior such as yourself. You are such a brave, brave warrior. So why are you declining the opportunity?


53 posted on 03/09/2012 6:10:00 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
Threatening people with "the law" again, I see.

Bet you wish you could "SWAT" me, like that hacker did to people that angered him.

Easy to do in a Police State.

54 posted on 03/09/2012 6:10:19 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

OH NOEZ!!! POLICE STATE!!!


55 posted on 03/09/2012 6:12:19 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
Getting lonely on your smear/hate thread, lawdog?

Let us know when you get that FOIA request back.

56 posted on 03/09/2012 6:12:40 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Bon mots

I used not to, but, now I am more afraid of the cops than the criminals. The criminals you can defend yourself from. The cops nowadays....?


57 posted on 03/09/2012 6:13:59 AM PST by sport
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To: kiryandil

LOL! You really think that any thread on the internet has some sort of intrinsic value?

Really?

Wow you are a lunatic.

By the way, since when do “police states” allow FOIA requests?

You are contradicting yourself.


58 posted on 03/09/2012 6:14:03 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
OH NOEZ!!! POLICE STATE!!!

I think the Founding Fathers would agree that a government that has unlimited funds to pursue its "law enforcement" goals is pretty much a police state.

Let us know about that FOIA request.

59 posted on 03/09/2012 6:17:43 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

You really think you are accomplishing something with the FOIA request mantra don’t you?

But if we are in a police state, then there would be no such thing as a FOIA request right?

And if it is so important, the fact that you refuse to do it is far more telling.

Go back to living in your fantasy world of goblins and monsters.


60 posted on 03/09/2012 6:20:17 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: sport
I used not to, but, now I am more afraid of the cops than the criminals. The criminals you can defend yourself from. The cops nowadays....?

"An assault on the King's Men is an assault on the King himself."

Ask that West Point grad and former Army Ranger captain who "spit" on one's of the King's Men...:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yj2dB7MLuk&feature=player_embedded

And yes, the po-pos are spending bucket-loads of taxpayer money to smear him, too...

61 posted on 03/09/2012 6:26:23 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace
But if we are in a police state, then there would be no such thing as a FOIA request right?

We want you to do it so that you can report back to us how you were told to "TALK TO THE HAND".

Unless, of course you're one of them...

62 posted on 03/09/2012 6:28:27 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace

Your name doesn’t fit you, shame that. It’s obvious that knowing someone who is in the illegal trade means you should die sans judge, jury, rule of law, etc. Right? I’m counting now... up to my toes now... on how many people I know whom I would suspect are involved at one level or another in the drug trade. I believe the dead perp that you are so eager to posthumously declare guilty was working the night shift in a mine, and was sound asleep when the notably amateurish Pima authorities decided that this was the perfect moment to save the Republic. Thanks to people like you Sir William, more of the same is now guaranteed. Thanks for doing your part to defend freedom. (uber-sarc)


63 posted on 03/09/2012 6:35:10 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Please change your name to King Richard’s pawn.


64 posted on 03/09/2012 6:37:52 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
“sovereigns” and libertarian wackos

Do you work for Big Siss's Homeland Security, Holder's In-Justice Department, or his BATF insanity? There is NO Sovereign talk on this forum. Libertarians (little L) are present, but the last time I looked it was still legal to advocate small less intrusive government.

65 posted on 03/09/2012 6:41:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Your blaze’ attitude is staggering. Defamation? A man is dead, and you’re worried about questions? It’s what goes on here, we examine everything, and a badge is not a shield from that process. Cops do bad things, sometimes out or fear, sometimes because the aren’t trained properly, and sometimes because they show indifference. I don’t hate cops, I hate bad cops who take the attitude that they are better than the people they have sworn to defend. The dead man who was killed was exactly that, A person they had sworn to defend and protect. Epic fail.


66 posted on 03/09/2012 6:43:13 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

And, if the family was perfect? I suspect you would have found a different reason to cover for bad cops. Guess what WWW? The system is broken, and cops as well as the people are suffering. Failing to examine the situation guarantees more of this, which from the sound of things, is evidently OK with you. The good thing about your name WWW? It’s hard to forget?


67 posted on 03/09/2012 6:51:41 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

I don’t recall anyone ever saying the dead husband/father/son/brother had innocent family members.

Is it a crime to defend your home against invasion?


68 posted on 03/09/2012 6:52:51 AM PST by petitfour
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To: kiryandil

That story is disgusting. It made me think of an idea. Anytime a cop is shot, there should be a full investigation into why the cop was put in a situation where he could be shot and whether it was necessary to be in that situation. If it wasnt necessary, then everyone who signed off on the mission should be charged as accessories to murder in a criminal case.


69 posted on 03/09/2012 6:54:45 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: willamedwardwallace

If someone comes to my house, and seems to be breaking in, and I point a gun at them, what crime have I committed?


70 posted on 03/09/2012 6:55:19 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: willamedwardwallace

It has been 10 months since the former Marine was shot 60+ times in front of his wife and son. They’re only now arresting folks connected to this case? Didn’t they have things in their possession on May 5, 2011 that warranted arrest? Or did I miss something?


71 posted on 03/09/2012 6:56:48 AM PST by petitfour
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To: HMS Surprise; willamedwardwallace

Conceivably, having relatives involved in the drug trade would increase your need to protect your family with arms, since you could be attacked in revenge for their activities It does not, of course, mean that you were personally involved in breaking the law.

If you were in a back bedroom, and this took place outside your front door, how would you respond?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak&feature=youtu.be

In the seconds you had to realize something was going on, would YOU know it was a SWAT team? Because in a situation like that, they would have broken down MY door and found a 53 year old retired USAF officer holding a 44 magnum (loaded with 44 specials).

My gun would not be cocked, and I almost never shoot at anything double action, but do you think the cops would wait to see if I lowered the gun?

I don’t. But then, I live in Pima County, and I have ZERO confidence in our senile sheriff...or the other democrats that run law enforcement in Pima County.


72 posted on 03/09/2012 7:06:57 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: driftdiver
When you think about it, this is a GREAT way to get around those bothersome ex-post-facto laws.

Do what you want, and then spend a hundred grand digging up "violations" of the innumerable laws after the fact, and then try your target in the press.

As the Guinness beer commercial goes: "Brilliant! BRILLIANT!!!"

73 posted on 03/09/2012 7:18:56 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace

For those who haven’t read the short article: The dead man’s sister-in-law has been charged, along with her father and her sister, of “illegal control of enterprise, marijuana possession for sale, fraudulent schemes and artifice and five counts of money laundering.” So the dead man’s wife’s family MAY be crooked. I’d guess they are, actually.

And it only took an additional 10 months of investigation to do it...

I suspect the son of my brother-in-law’s brother may have done something illegal...so should I be a target of a home invasion by the Pima County SWAT Team? Would they give me time to get to the door and find out who they are before they broke the door down?


74 posted on 03/09/2012 7:19:49 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Raider Sam
Anytime a cop is shot, there should be a full investigation into why the cop was put in a situation where he could be shot and whether it was necessary to be in that situation. If it wasnt necessary, then everyone who signed off on the mission should be charged as accessories to murder in a criminal case.

Yep. Any peasant in a similar situation would be INSTANTLY charged with "accessory to murder".

75 posted on 03/09/2012 7:21:23 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mr Rogers
And it probably only cost the taxpayers $100,000 for the investigation.

BTW, Mr. Rogers - we have to increase your county property taxes this year, or we'll shut down the library and park the school buses.

Pay up. It's fer the chilrun.

76 posted on 03/09/2012 7:24:08 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/sheriffs-arrest-relative-of-ex-marine-killed-during-drug-investigation/

“Jose Guerena died last year after being shot dozens of times by SWAT team members serving a search warrant to his south side home. Reports state that when his wife told him someone was at their door, he woke up and grabbed his assault rifle. The family has since filed a $20 million wrongful death suit against the Pima County Sheriff's Department.”

77 posted on 03/09/2012 7:44:51 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: willamedwardwallace
No lunatic,

Let me remind you that personal insults are not received well here on FR.

78 posted on 03/09/2012 7:56:02 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Uh huh. Did you post the same to LOR boy?


79 posted on 03/09/2012 7:59:08 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: kiryandil

I did note on the video from KVOA TV that a Pima County Judge dismissed a motion by attorneys representing the Pima County Sheriff’s department to dismiss the lawsuit brought by the widow of the X-Marine.

Meet the Sheriff

About Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik

http://www.pimasheriff.org/about-us/meet-the-sheriff/


80 posted on 03/09/2012 8:02:31 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: willamedwardwallace
He wasn’t murdered.

And OJ is not a murderer.

81 posted on 03/09/2012 8:02:38 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

No I guess I missed it.

But you seemed to be the center of attraction.


82 posted on 03/09/2012 8:08:31 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: willamedwardwallace
Citation?
83 posted on 03/09/2012 8:16:40 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Our state doesn’t have a capital offense called “having pot smokers in your family.”


84 posted on 03/09/2012 8:46:33 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: willamedwardwallace

He was murdered and the turds pulling the triggers need to be executed.


85 posted on 03/09/2012 8:47:22 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: kiryandil

“BTW, Mr. Rogers - we have to increase your county property taxes this year, or we’ll shut down the library and park the school buses.”

After 5 years of declining property values, I finally had a small decrease in my property taxes paid this last year. My house is probably worth 50% (tops) of what it was in 2006, and my taxes are now 10% lower. The difference is due to rate increases.

Pima County has more debt that all the other counties in Arizona combined. It is also under the total control of Democrats. There is a reason Dupnik has been sheriff since 1980 - and it isn’t because we don’t have crime. It has more to do with his attacks on Palin after Giffords was shot...

I grew up on Gunsmoke and ADAM-12. I’d like to believe the cops are our friends. But the video I posted the link to is scary. If there was a commotion at my door like that, I’d grab my 44 and go to see what was happening - and I’d be shot by the SWAT team as soon as they busted the door down. Crime? Being willing to defend myself against unknown attackers...


86 posted on 03/09/2012 8:52:54 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: willamedwardwallace

It took Dupnik A YEAR and all he could come up with was drug and money laundering?

Now let’s see what the DA does.


87 posted on 03/09/2012 8:56:16 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Liberal Democrats love direct democracy until it's time to vote on something)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Prove it.


88 posted on 03/09/2012 9:02:34 AM PST by sport
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To: willamedwardwallace; kiryandil; org.whodat; eastforker; Bon mots; Timber Rattler; Shimmer1; ...

You “live free or die” dopes need to decide which side you are on. This “Marine” used his military skills to turn on his adopted country and put cops lives in danger. He was a stinking coward and a betrayer of America - a drug running invader here to destroy our country. He is the one who was hugging a gun in his hallway putting his family and the cops in danger. Wise up!

The FBI Announces Gangs Have Infiltrated Every Branch Of The Military

“The FBI has released a new gang assessment announcing that there are 1.4 million gang members in the US, a 40 percent increase since 2009, and that many of these members are getting inside the military...”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2796474/posts


89 posted on 03/09/2012 9:43:49 AM PST by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna
You are full of crap, the man was attacked in his own home. If you dirt bag types want to talk to joe citizen try the frigging phone.
90 posted on 03/09/2012 9:49:03 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: donna

Dope is the key word. In virtually every instance, this boils down to people who desperately want to get high.


91 posted on 03/09/2012 9:50:28 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: org.whodat

Nice delusion. The police had a warrant. The very thing that the Constitution requires.

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Oh wait, you want to read the Constitution to fit your worldview without amending it.

What does that make you?


92 posted on 03/09/2012 9:51:55 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
There you are, showing up again, purposefully provoking dissention on a topic wherein the police are accused, presumably with very good cause, of heinous activity.

My troll-o-meter is pegging.

93 posted on 03/09/2012 9:53:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
But, but, but this family was perfect. Never a criminal offense among them. OH NOEZ JACKBOOTZ!

Never mind the family. What say you, about these accused police?

94 posted on 03/09/2012 9:54:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
Interestingly enough, accusing people of murder is defamation per se.

Troll.

95 posted on 03/09/2012 9:56:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: kiryandil
You are the keyboard warrior after all?

Troll.

96 posted on 03/09/2012 9:58:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
No lunatic,

Troll.

97 posted on 03/09/2012 9:59:24 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
OH NOEZ!!! POLICE STATE!!!

Troll.

I predict a very short Free Republic life for you.

98 posted on 03/09/2012 10:00:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
BS, on a jury I get to make the decision, and your swat ass will not like my decision. And the cops that killed the little old lady in Atlanta also had a warrant. And their bad-asses are in the big house.
99 posted on 03/09/2012 10:00:23 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: willamedwardwallace
Why do you hate the Constitution?

Troll. Probable retread, too.

100 posted on 03/09/2012 10:01:05 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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