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Families' exodus leaves S.F. with lowest pct. of children in U.S.
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/9/12 | Heather Knight

Posted on 03/09/2012 7:37:04 AM PST by SmithL

Last year, a family of three earning $111,000 a year could afford just 23 percent of homes for sale in San Francisco - mostly in southern neighborhoods, including Bayview-Hunters Point.

The median price of a house in the city in 2010 was $668,000. Just 2 percent of new housing units built in the city since 2001 are single-family, detached homes.

These were just a few of the scores of statistics presented at a special Board of Supervisors hearing Thursday to help explain why San Francisco is bleeding families with children - losing 5,278 people younger than 18 between 2000 and 2010, according to census figures.

There are actually about 3,000 more children younger than 5 in the city than there were in 2000, but about 8,000 fewer school-age youths.

The flight of families with children - particularly middle-income and African American families - is leaving San Francisco older, whiter and richer. That has concerned city officials and family advocates who say families with children are essential to a diverse, thriving city.

Keeping city diverse

"This has been a personal issue for me for quite some time," said Supervisor Mark Farrell, who called the hearing and said his two young children are losing lots of their friends to the suburbs - and that his own adult friends are increasingly moving.

"Keeping families in San Francisco is important for a diverse city," he said. "Having children in our parks and our schools and strollers on our sidewalks is important to the vibrancy of our neighborhoods."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: SmithL
a special Board of Supervisors hearing Thursday to help explain why San Francisco is bleeding families with children

Come ON!!!!

Does any sentient human have any QUESTION about why this is happening?

I actually LIKE SFO, but I won't take my kids there.

51 posted on 03/09/2012 8:51:59 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: buwaya

I like to go to little italy. I started noticing 20 years ago, Mexicans in the kitchen, Italians waiting tables.

I think Chinatown has slowly expanded with increasing number of immigrants starting with the turnover of Hong Kong and continuing today. Little Italy will soon be a thing of the past with a few surviving restaurants and only memories of the old fishermen.

Going to SF in two weeks. Anything new and worthwhile to see?


52 posted on 03/09/2012 8:53:19 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: steve86

Same here. My wife and I came to the same conclusion at the same time-no more visits to Sodom.


53 posted on 03/09/2012 8:53:43 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: and so?

Its easy to avoid street fairs and the like. Most (90+%) of the city is in fact very “normal” neighborhoods of row houses. The publicity is obsessed with a handful of freaks the authorities can’t seem to control.

The real factors that drives people away/keeps people away -

- Very high cost of houses/condos. This is mainly the result of impossible development restrictions. Very, very hard to build multi-unit housing.

- School integration problems. Many, many people leave when they can’t get their kids into the “good” public schools, due to school assignment idiocies.


54 posted on 03/09/2012 8:53:51 AM PST by buwaya
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To: SmithL

Why live in SF when an illegal alien can be released from jail for the fourth time and murder most of your family? Sanctuary indeed.


55 posted on 03/09/2012 8:55:22 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: KarlInOhio

My personal favorite reason would be people taking their young kids to the Nude Bike Parade, HELLO what’s are these parents thinking?


56 posted on 03/09/2012 8:58:44 AM PST by Lockbox
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To: morphing libertarian

New and worthwhile ? Not really.
Everything worthwhile here is old.
Downtown is getting pretty sad. A lot of empty storefronts.


57 posted on 03/09/2012 9:04:37 AM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

2 days in two weeks. I guess I can suffer through with some great food.


58 posted on 03/09/2012 9:09:37 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: KarlInOhio

LOL!!!


59 posted on 03/09/2012 9:24:23 AM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Moonman62


60 posted on 03/09/2012 9:29:14 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: SmithL

61 posted on 03/09/2012 9:32:06 AM PST by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: SmithL

There’s nothing wrong with San Francisco that couldn’t be cured with a five megaton fusion warhead. That’s what Ive always said.


62 posted on 03/09/2012 9:39:51 AM PST by Desron13
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To: SmithL

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63 posted on 03/09/2012 9:55:58 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: SmithL

Looks like the homosexuals are taking over San Fran!


64 posted on 03/09/2012 9:56:57 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Desron13

You are a dingbat.

This sort of foolish and immoral statement ruins conservatives reputations. No decent person should want to be associated with you.

Even this city is 90+% composed of perfectly normal, decent people. The rest are more flamboyant sinners than most.

But even so they are people, and we are all sinners, and all of us can be redeemed.


65 posted on 03/09/2012 9:58:14 AM PST by buwaya
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To: Lockbox

They are being fashionable. It is hip to do things like this. It is being demonstratively conformist to the customs of a certain group - not the gays, but the upper middle class pseudo-bohemians.

Some of the population of this city is obsessed with fashion and its conformity, as in fact many out-of-towners who bring their kids in for such events.

The vast majority here (and elsewhere in the region) wouldn’t do something so foolish.


66 posted on 03/09/2012 10:03:01 AM PST by buwaya
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To: SmithL

dang heteronormative breeders!!!

Don’t they know they’re the only reason gay/liberal/pro-abortion teachers have jobs!!!

What a bunch of haters!


67 posted on 03/09/2012 10:07:36 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: upcountryhorseman

They are politically powerful, and have been so since the late 1970’s.

This is however not in fact due to their numbers, which seem to have been stable or even fallen since the early 1980’s, but because the attitude towards them has become a social marker for the truly politically powerful. They are the mascots of the prevailing upper-middle class pseudo bohemian culture that dominates local politics, because these are the people with the money.


68 posted on 03/09/2012 10:08:01 AM PST by buwaya
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To: Lancey Howard

The Exploritorium is a great place to take kids.

So is the Aquarium and one other place I can’t remember the name of.

The rest not so much.


69 posted on 03/09/2012 10:35:17 AM PST by DB
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To: SmithL
"Keeping families in San Francisco is important for a diverse city," he said. "Having children in our parks and our schools and strollers on our sidewalks is important to the vibrancy of our neighborhoods."

Most people don't want to have to attempt to raise children around such a "gay friendly" sinkhole like San Francisco. That choice was made a long time ago, and now the city reaps the 'reward' of said choice.

So, what will hizzoner do? Force people at gunpoint to stay in his sinkhole city to achieve his "vibrancy of our neighborhoods"? I wouldn't put it past him...

the infowarrior

70 posted on 03/09/2012 10:36:44 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: DoughtyOne

OK... New Obama mandate. You can’t leave San Fran if you have kids or we will only let you move if you are moving to San Fran.


71 posted on 03/09/2012 10:43:38 AM PST by taterjay
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To: infowarrior

Its not the “gay friendly” part that is the problem.

We would very much like to think so, because of the blatant and easily publicized incidents, but it just isn’t much of an issue to the real inhabitants of SF - very few people see this sort of thing and it doesn’t intrude into normal peoples lives. People generally have to go out of their way to witness this sort of depravity.

Its far, far more common to see the plain misery of the homeless and the down-and-out. And they aren’t, for the most part, dangerous at all, just sad.

The biggest problems for families are high rents in good neighborhoods and the difficulty and uncertainty of getting the kids into good public schools.


72 posted on 03/09/2012 10:45:48 AM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
Even this city is 90+% composed of perfectly normal, decent people.

Your contention is belied by even the most cursory examination of political life in SF. "Perfectly normal, decent people" would never vote for that collection of deviates and moonbats who proudly fly the rainbow flag and put up street signs extolling the virtues of abortion.

73 posted on 03/09/2012 10:47:12 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: DB

Academy of Science - its got the Aquarium, but has a lot more too.

The SF Zoo is excellent, for a small zoo. It is by far the best in Northern California.

Golden Gate Park is great, a wonderful place to wander and run around. Some homeless troubles but can be avoided.

There are plenty of playgrounds, in the good (and non-hip) neighborhoods quite decent and safe.

The beach is weirdly interesting. Lots of dogs though.

Moscone Center Ice rink is excellent, probably the best in Northern California also.

Sightseeing is a delight. SF is in a beautiful natural location, and the legacy of late 19th-early 20th century architecture is still there and in fine shape generally. Its a great city for kids to bike on the sidewalks over most of the city.

Public libraries - Very good availability. Easier to get to, more of them than is usual in most suburbs here.

Organized sports - Plenty ! People over-schedule kids into these things actually. Its easy to find and get kids into Little League, or pretty much anything else, even hockey.

Lacks -

- Organized child-centered entertainment. Lack of things like mini-golf, go-karts, water parks, etc. You have to go out of town for these. For the most part the lack is due to the lack of and expense of land, but also the limited clientele, there being few kids.

- Outdoor swimming pools - this is mainly due to the weather. There is no real summer here. There are quite a few accessible indoor pools but they tend to be over-organized, oriented mainly for swimming lessons and competition swimming.

- Toy stores - There are just a few small ones.


74 posted on 03/09/2012 11:07:07 AM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
The biggest problems for families are high rents in good neighborhoods and the difficulty and uncertainty of getting the kids into good public schools.

Which were, likewise, caused by local government actions. The choice to become *NOT* "family friendly" was made in the past, and now the results are plain to see. Again, I have to ask, what is hizzoner going to do? Force people at gunpoint to stay in this quagmire created by his predecessors, and which he has no intention of actually stopping, let alone reversing?

San Francisco made its bed a long time ago, and now has to live with the results, decine, and eventual extinction as a human habitation...

the infowarrior

75 posted on 03/09/2012 11:09:16 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: madprof98

Most people in SF don’t vote.

They are a majority of Asians who are either FOB’s (fresh off the boat) or are not citizens, as a very high proportion stay in permanent resident status. And even Asian citizens don’t vote much, being foreign born they believe in conforming to the local rulers.

And those people that do vote Democrat - a “normal” person certainly can vote in ways that their personal life wouldn’t predict. This city is full of people with unimpeachable personal lives that vote Democrat out of habit and out of conformity with the prevailing culture. Forgive them, for they really don’t know what they do.

And I live here, I know these people personally. My kids are friends with their kids.

It is plain fanaticism, by the way, to condemn people who don’t vote our way.


76 posted on 03/09/2012 11:15:43 AM PST by buwaya
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To: infowarrior

Certainly, you are correct.

The development restrictions, excessive bureaucracy, politicization of all property development, etc. are all long standing problems that come from the local political culture. By now they are institutionalized because the bloated city bureaucracy and all its mass of publicly funded hangers-on is in itself the most powerful political player in the city.

The city, and region, are certainly in decline.


77 posted on 03/09/2012 11:19:57 AM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
76 posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 1:15:43 PM by buwaya: “Most people in SF don’t vote. They are a majority of Asians who are either FOB’s (fresh off the boat) or are not citizens, as a very high proportion stay in permanent resident status. And even Asian citizens don’t vote much, being foreign born they believe in conforming to the local rulers.”

He's right.

My wife is Korean. I know the Korean community well and I've watched its rise to prominence in the business world on the West Coast, while virtually ignoring politics. Very similar things could be said about the much larger Chinese community, to a lesser extent the Japanese community, and in some ways the Vietnamese and other southeast Asian communities.

If we could get the immigrant Asian and Hispanic communities to start voting and in the case of Christians, to start voting in accord with what is being taught from their pulpits, even some of our worst cesspools of city life could get fixed. There is no good reason that anti-Communist Vietnamese refugees in California didn't follow the model of the Cubans in Florida, and the same could be said about Chinese businessmen who fled Hong Kong out of fear of what could happen if China changed its policies.

For now, San Francisco is only an extreme example of what happens when decent people stand by and do nothing while the aggressive left-wingers push their agenda. Let that be a warning for people who think being part of the silent majority will work — defend what you value or you will lose it.

78 posted on 03/09/2012 11:57:13 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: SmithL

What normal married couple (man and woman) would voluntarily try to raise children there?


79 posted on 03/09/2012 12:02:15 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Graybeard58

Many do. The vast majority of the parents of the 100,000 or so children in the city are “normal”.

Fewer and fewer every year, but even so.

The impediments to more people staying and raising children are indeed due mainly to the obsessions and failures of liberal politics, but are not really the ones that seem significant to outsiders.


80 posted on 03/09/2012 12:07:25 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
The impediments to more people staying and raising children are indeed due mainly to the obsessions and failures of liberal politics

And the majority of all voters vote to keep liberal politicians in power. I'm not throwing stones (I live in Illinois) or casting aspersions on all the people of S.F. but like Illinois, S.F. liberal politicians are elected by the majority.

Our perverts and other liberals are generally confined to one huge city.

81 posted on 03/09/2012 12:23:10 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Graybeard58

In this case, they are elected by a minority. Most SF adults don’t vote, much less so than in most other cities.

Out of 700,000 adults, only 460,000 are registered voters. In the last mayoral election only 284,000 voted.

SF politics is dominated by the few, political obsessives and the government bureaucracy and its hangers-on.


82 posted on 03/09/2012 12:36:51 PM PST by buwaya
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To: SmithL

I love visiting San Francisco. Great city but no way in hell I would live there. Way to screwed up thanks to the nutbag liberals.


83 posted on 03/09/2012 12:43:42 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: buwaya
In this case, they are elected by a minority. Most SF adults don’t vote, much less so than in most other cities.

Which verifies my earlier statement:

Quoting self - And the majority of all voters vote to keep liberal politicians in power

In my case, the voters here in, "other than Chicago", vote overwhelmingly conservative. Chicago politics rule the entire state because of its numbers.

By the way, you couldn't pay me to live in the crap hole of Chicago either. I'm about 200 miles from there. and am looking for real estate in Missouri, where it's not a felony to think about guns.

84 posted on 03/09/2012 12:59:20 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: SmithL
"Keeping families in San Francisco is important for a diverse city," he said. "Having children in our parks and our schools and strollers on our sidewalks is important to the vibrancy of our neighborhoods."

Put the gays back in the closet
Put the bums back in nut houses
Make San Francisco a military friendly town again
Lower the cost of living there

Maybe, just maybe, people will stay

85 posted on 03/09/2012 1:56:26 PM PST by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: taterjay

Heh, heh, heh...

Or, you can leave, but your kids have to remain behind and stand in the front window of a bath-house, until they are adopted.

Now there’s food for thought.


86 posted on 03/09/2012 1:57:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: weeweed

OK, so how many folks are going to know what movie that’s from?

Only those with kids that choose older, more wholesome movies, of course.

(admission - when we hear the ice cream truck’s music, I tell my kids that it’s the child catcher - they’re in on the joke)


87 posted on 03/09/2012 2:04:25 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Mine do - It was their favorite at one time.
They can still sing the songs, 10 years later.


88 posted on 03/09/2012 2:26:34 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
It is plain fanaticism, by the way, to condemn people who don’t vote our way.

Garbage. The people who run your city are not garden-variety Democrats; they are criminally insane, and they obviously reflect the values of those who support them. BTW, watch your kids CAREFULLY when they interact with all those nice neighbors.

89 posted on 03/09/2012 2:51:09 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: madprof98

Nuts.
Do I believe you or my own lying eyes ?

There are certainly insane people living here and some of them have political power. But the vast majority here are perfectly sane and decent.


90 posted on 03/09/2012 3:23:28 PM PST by buwaya
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90 posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 5:23:28 PM by buwaya: “There are certainly insane people living here and some of them have political power. But the vast majority here are perfectly sane and decent.”

Which, brother Freeper, provides you an opportunity.

People who live in places like San Francisco have special responsibilities to speak out. Sometimes they can be effective far beyond anyone’s wildest imaginations.

Let me give you two examples which on their face are very different, but actually have much in common — in one case, one church and in the other case one man, each standing up against liberalism and winning by speaking truth to overwhelming power.

First Orthodox Presbyterian Church of San Francisco managed to win a landmark court case when it was sued for firing its practicing homosexual organist. Standing up to evil worked. By not compromising on the reasons for firing the organist, the church risked losing virtually every right Christians have to control their own hiring practices for religious grounds, and for that reason, many people urged the church's leaders to find some other excuse to fire him. However, sticking to their guns won the victory that Christian institutions now rely on throughout the entire United States to exempt themselves from anti-religious rules, and that case was won right in the heartbed of the American gay agenda.

The second case involved not the OPC but rather the PCUS, the old Southern Presbyterian Church.

Many decades ago before the PCA was formed, back when the old Southern Presbyterian Church was still mostly conservative, the Atlanta Presbytery was the center of the denominational bureaucracy and was run by leftists trying to force a merger with the (Northern) Presbyterian Church in the USA and the United Presbyterian Church in North America.

Various conservative presbyteries were voting against the merger, but one man had a brilliant idea. He went from town to town through the Atlanta Presbytery visiting small churches that rarely sent elders to presbytery, explained what merger would mean, and got lots of previously unaware elders riled up enough to come to the Atlanta Presbytery meeting when the merger was scheduled for a vote.

Those elders stayed quiet all morning and most of the afternoon until the vote. Then, to the shock of virtually the entire denomination, the most powerful liberal presbytery in the entire PCUS went on record **AGAINST** the merger. As the shock waves ran across the denomination, people realized that the vast majority of the people in the pews were against the merger no matter what the leaders were claiming, and presbytery after presbytery went on record against the merger. While the PCUSA and UPCNA did merge to form the UPCUSA, that success in the Atlanta Presbytery, caused by one man who successfully warned the silent majority to speak up, kept the PCUS out of the merger with Northern Presbyterians for another generation until the merger was finally forced in the 1980s.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. You're telling me there are lots of good men and women in San Francisco who don't vote, and you're probably right.

Sounds like you have some work to do with your nice neighbors.... ;-)

91 posted on 03/09/2012 9:36:02 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: morphing libertarian

I flew into SFO Airport for a week further north. When I departed I got there a few hours early.. about 5 a.m. and had about an hour to kill before turning in the rental car.

I parked the vehicle in downtown Burlingame and walked around the old town area. Nothing was open but the Starbucks, but the weather was great that morning for walking. Downtown Burlingame is a beautiful area with interesting architecture. It reminded me of old postcard images of bygone California.

Talked to a few of the locals while getting a coffee and they seemed pretty down-to-earth and friendly. I suspect Burlingame is one of those locales to which families have fled.


92 posted on 03/10/2012 2:34:06 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Lancey Howard
I maintain that anybody who deliberately takes a child into San Fransicko should be jailed for child abuse.

Wrong.

Visits to the De Young, the Symphony, the Ballet, the Maritime Museum, the Palace of the Legion of Honor, the Opera, the Asian Art Museum... They're good and well worth a visit.

The exposure to the sickos along the way is part of educating them why theirs is a lifestyle to be avoided. The kids recoil all on their own. Keeping it a dark mystery can make it an attraction later on. Bad idea.

93 posted on 03/10/2012 7:00:27 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: ScottinVA

Thanx


94 posted on 03/10/2012 8:05:18 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: buwaya
"Even this city is 90+% composed of perfectly normal, decent people. The rest are more flamboyant sinners than most."

Ummm... I rest my case I suppose...

95 posted on 06/05/2012 3:35:44 PM PDT by Desron13
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