Skip to comments.Dozens of Iraqi teenagers stoned to death for ‘emo’ haircuts: activists
Posted on 03/09/2012 5:38:10 PM PST by Zhang Fei
Iraqi activists sounded the bell over the killing of dozens of teenagers by religious police for having emo haircuts.
Activists told the Cairo-based al-Akhbar daily that at least 90 Iraqi teenagers with emo appearances have been stoned to death by the Moral Police in the country in the past month. The violent crackdown against emo Iraqi teenagers came after the Iraqi interior ministry declared them as devil worshippers.
The Emo phenomenon or devil worshiping is being probed by the Moral Police who have the approval to eliminate it as soon as possible since its detrimentally affecting the society and becoming a danger, a statement by the Interior Ministry said.
They wear strange, tight clothes that have pictures on them such as skulls and use stationery that are shaped as skulls. They also wear rings on their noses and tongues, and do other strange activities, the statement added.
The statement said that Iraqs Moral Police was granted approval by the Ministry of Education to enter Baghdad schools and pinpoint students with Western appearances.
The activists told the newspaper that a group of armed men dressed in civilian clothing led the teenagers to secluded areas a few days ago, stoned them to death, and then disposed their bodies in garbage dumpsters across the capital, Baghdad.
First they throw concrete blocks at the boys arms, then at his legs, then the final blow is to his head, and if he is not dead by then, they start all over again, one person who managed to escape told the daily. The exact death toll remains unclear, but Hana al-Bayaty of Brussels Tribunal, an NGO dealing with Iraqi issues, said the current figure ranges between 90 and 100.
Activists said that leaflets were distributed in Baghdad warning teenagers from donning the emo style, and in some regions, teenage homosexuals were killed by battering their heads also by concrete blocks.
IMHO, the picture in the middle is of a hairpiece, not a hairdo.
Now that’s what I call a rug.
Because it’s part of what we are (or I and others here) were talking about. Emos largely reject religion. That’s a fact. Deal with it.
That feeds into their world view of themselves as an island responsible to nothing or no one for what they do. If you share that ‘belief’, that’s your call. If you don’t like my pointing out the fact that hatred of religious beliefs leads to other ‘hatreds’ and associated problems in society, then you present the contrary ‘proof’ to that and show me to be wrong.
You want to support atheism on this site, that’s up to you. You want to say Christianity is a ‘gang’ on a site whose first statement is “For God” as in your earlier post, spare me the ‘bully’ comments likely to follow and tell it to JR whom I pinged as a courtesy, since this directly relates to his site.
In fact, I'm all in
“dont know exactly what it is you gentlemen want from me or why you keep badgering me”
Oh get over yourself...you’ve got a history on this site of getting backed into corners with your hysterical rants, then accusing male freepers of “somehow being abnormally interested” in you, implying some sort of illicit sexual interest on the part of some of the Christians here. It’s time somebody called you out on your snide behaviour, and I do so!
Michael David Mathis!
The spawn of The Addams Family... or maybe the grandchildren of Wednesday and Pugsley or even Lurch?
“What is with these people and rocks anyway? Not only do they love to throw rocks but they worship a giant black rock in apparent violation of their own strict prohibition of idolatry.”
Does “ignorant, animalistic, knuckledragging, pedophiles” sum it up pretty well?
And those are their best qualities....it just goes downhill from there.
Big “AMEN” to that!
I’ve been reading the posts going back and forth between yourself and a few others on here.
Just some thoughts as to your post about believing in God not keeping people out of gangs or crime. Many people make the mistake that those who spout belief in “God” as being the same as belief in the Christian God of the Bible. People use the term “God” very vaguely and freely, much like people toss about the terms “friend” or “love” rather hither-thither these days.
When Christian people say “God” they mean the God of the BIBLE - the triune God, who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
So, you might be right about people who say they believe in God. My question would, of course, be which God? Just like when people tell me they are spiritual, I want to ask, “Okay, which spirit do you worship or are you in tune with?” for we are told to TEST the spirits.
I acknowledge that we are all fallen and even those of us who are now under Grace still must persevere and fight off the sinful nature (Watchman Nee has said that when we become Christians we have a new nature but the old nature still fights against us...like two dogs fighting. Which dog wins? Well, the one we feed the most).
I’d be willing to bet the bank that the Holy Spirit absolutely DOES keep people out of gangs and crime. And there are a ton of books out there that attest to that very fact. Praise HIS Holy Name forever and ever.
Rich, rich. So you want to push your hatred of God and dissing social conservatism on FR and then whine when anyone responds to you.
You're pretty funny.
Flock of Seagulls and...
You have to look at this logically...the Flock of Seagulls dude had a ‘do that was both aerodynamic and pointing him somewhere in case the drugs kicked in at a bad time and he got lost. Well, that and showing him the way to his synthesizer. It had a real purpose. Emos are half blinded by theirs and live/act accordingly ;)
"You, Flock of Seagulls, you know why we're here? Why don't you tell my man Vincent where you got the .... hid at? "
How’s anybody going to hear about a “good Lord” in that hell hole?
If you don’t want me talking about atheism on this site, do not talk to me about atheism on this site. I did not address any of you first, you addressed me. If you do not like my responses, stop talking to me.
There are a lot of dysfunctional fads among youth and emo is hardly the only one.
I wonder how many Christians who are seriously upset with the emo movement are equally serious about trying to get the gospel to the people being drawn into it? It’s easy to take pot shots from behind a comfortable keyboard. Jesus Christ willingly yielded to being violently mutilated and sacrificed on a cross. If anyone can sympathize with every woe, this is it.
Well frankly ma’am there is not just one kind of atheist. Some are content to not personally believe in God, but they have no beef with others’ practice and preaching of any religion that does not “break their leg or pick their pocket.” Others are bent upon evangelizing their unbelief. If you are in that second category it will get you in a lot of hot water on FR — that’s the fundamental(ist) nature of the beast. And unashamed of it too.
I don’t evangelize and I don’t apologize. But don’t bring up atheism to me and then tell me to shut up, because I won’t. Not if you bring it up first.
If you cannot deal with atheism being discussed in proper context, which I was doing, then don’t answer my posts involving it.
You have not addressed the FACT that Emos largely adopt a philosophy that is contributing to their problem. You have, on the other hand as your past public posts show, get offended when your personal non-belief belief system is exposed as the problem it, as in the case of the whole Emo thing, demonstratively is. You have gone on grand rants about “Geezus”, and various other anti religion rants and then claim innocence when posters destroy your IMO pathetic lack of a coherent debate. In fact, your first post directly to me here was a provably baseless accusation about ‘badgering’ you.
Again, why are you here? Your posts on this thread and those since at least January are filled with attacks on belief, Christianity and people who don’t follow your personal non-belief belief system. You accuse people baselessly and show none of the traits of conservative thought. And you have whined about FR going south due to posters who embrace the same faith of the site’s founder on a site where he welcomes such.
Since you are here by your choice, you are free to choose to avoid responding to my posts if they bother you. It works both ways. If you willingly choose to respond to my posts, don’t feign shock when I debate you with fact, logic and reason. Your choice entirely.
You have a pattern of insinuating some type of pruriant or sexual interest coming from posters who disagree with your postings and continue to destroy your logic as long as YOU “kept talking back!”!!!! Looking back over some threads where you were involved over the years one can see this pattern...
If you don’t like the continued responses from reasoned and logical Freepers...you can also “stop talking to them”, but to make snide hints about other honorable Freepers’ immorality is certainly a sneaky way getting yourself out of the illogical corners you paint yourself into!
You may even win “the last word” by such comments, as many will back away out of politeness or honorable intentions, but you will not have “won the field” using reasoned logic!
I dunno. Ask a priest. My argument had nothing directly to do with Christianity. Since atheism, not Christianity is a significant issue part and parcel of the Emo issue, I brought it up. A relevant topic to the discussion. Christianity is not as the majority of Emos are demonstratively anti religious. I also brought up drug use, nomo/bisexuality, crime, self mutilation, lying, broken homes, and a dozen other issues even more of a problem. But two posters on this thread seem to want to make this about Christianity. You care to explain why that is?
Likewise, the original topic of the thread, murdered Emo kids, has squat to do with other subcultures of kids so what exactly is the point in bring them up here? They are not relevant to the discussion. At all.
You said “religion is toxic” and said that gang culture was “Christian”. You are the one who brought up the topic even if you did not use the word “atheism”.
If you don’t like the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you don’t like my responses to your comments, don’t read them. FR is not your personal blog.
Is there an example of prurient insinuation on the thread? Maybe quote/link it for me if you want; I’m super busy lately and have a hard time keeping track of (anything)....
If you don’t like MY heat, don’t talk to me. All I see here is a bunch of hypocrites who like to bring up atheism or Christianity and instruct me not to argue with them. If you don’t want to hear my opinion, do not talk to me. It’s as simple as that. This is not rocket science.
Oh but I do want to hear your opinion!
Take this for example...
“All I see here is a bunch of hypocrites who like to bring up atheism or Christianity and instruct me not to argue with them. If you dont want to hear my opinion, do not talk to me. “
Tell me the logical error and blatant ironic hypocrisy in that statement, teacher.
Hmm, I wasn't the one complaining about people responding to me, you were!
All I see here is a bunch of hypocrites who like to bring up atheism or Christianity and instruct me not to argue with them.
Where does the "hypocrite" part fit in? Who is being a hypocrite, and in what manner? Please explain. And you were the one who dragged in Christianity in connection with gangs. And slightly veiled atheism (not really veiled at all actually) when you stated "religion is toxic".
If you dont want to hear my opinion, do not talk to me. Its as simple as that. This is not rocket science.
Ahem - you were the one complaining about people responding to your comments. I kind of like responding to your comments; you are a feeble dirty debater. Bringing in topics and then accusing others of doing so is worse than feeble. And responding to others' comments and then whining when they respond back is worse than feeble!
Well, you heard it and told me I was on the wrong forum and then tried to get me banned. What you want now, I cannot tell. You SAY you want me to shut up, but you just can’t stop pinging me, can you?
See the hypocrisy? You keep the conversation going, and then tell me I shouldn't talk about it. If I talk about it, I'm violating all your decency rules, and if I don't talk about it, I'm a feeble debater.
So you see why I think you're freaking hypocrite? Now. You know who I am and I know who you are. Kindly put me on your list of people you don't bother talking to.
You I haven’t ‘pinged’ you. I have responded to posts you freely made on a public forum. Thats what people do on this forum. If you do not wish me or anyone else to reply to posts you make, ask that the rules of free and open debate be changed.
1. You claim I am not polite (and you are?) But I’m holding my pinkie up as I type!
2. You claim I pinged JR (which is a lie, I did not)
3. Go ahead and explain why you think religion is bad, it would be interesting
4. If you didn’t want the conversation to keep going, why - you wouldn’t keep it going! I’m merely responding to your comments to me. It’s patently obvious you want to keep it going despite your whining - you just want a monologue!
5. What decency rules are you talking about? Are you referring to the fact that FR is a God honoring site and therefore it would violate FR’s standards to blaspheme Him? Or something entirely different?
6. You want me to put you on a list of people I don’t respond to. But you responded to something I said!
I’m starting to think you are seriously mentally ill.
All I see is a pack of Christians simultaneously demanding that I shut up and that I answer them. Your time with me is up. You’ve always bored me.
I never told you to shut up.
I am not a Christian although I honor Jesus greatly.
Your feeble dirty debate tactics are to sling poo, poke sticks, and then when people respond, you tell them to shut up and not comment to you.
You’re an aggressive, nasty little nutcase.
Now we are a pack.
Allow me to possibly explain...
Someone here “may” feel that (to paraphrase) because when they... “joined 10 years ago, FR didnt bill itself as pro-God. It was just about conservative thought. It has changed, and not for the better. In fact, (they) probably will spend less time on here in the future, as (they) dont feel (themself) to be in good company as much as (they) used to. (They may feel that) A lot of articulate, intelligent thinkers have either left or communicate mostly through Freepmail now because the Geezus wuvs me crowd has taken over.”
At least as of Jan 12th anyway.
What would be the January 12 reference?
Funny, when I joined in 2002 I think respect or reverence for God was mentioned as part of a mission statement. And if peoples’ religious discussions are something I don’t want to read; why - I skip over them! I don’t feel the slightest bit harassed by such discussions or professions of belief. Of course, I’m not an atheist. But I’ve seen plenty of atheists on FR who do not get bent out of shape by believers in God or discussions about faith.
And if people don’t like FR, I don’t think anything is chaining them here.
Gotta go to bed - I hate this “turning the clock forward/backward” stuff....
That was the date that rant was posted. I’ve only ever encountered one militant atheist on FR. Right here. All the others seem fine as long as no one pushes God o them. And no one did that here either. Pretty telling.
Freep mail coming...
Maybe all emos claim atheism (although I hate to make broad brush statements about something like “all participants in emo”) but not all atheists claim emos.
Christianity does matter due to its gospel claims. If somebody’s house is on fire, are you going to say someone with a truck and a hose is not relevant?
lj happens to be Hindu AFAIK, ma’am.
It’s like the late C. S. Lewis pointed out: the majority of humanity does believe in either a God or gods. Determined atheism is a very minority view.
Muslims slaughtered Emos like cattle.
I pointed out that many/most (not all) Emos are anti-religion/atheist.
Christianity played no part in either.
What the Bible teaches in regards to anything Emos do has no direct relevance to any of the above. Indirectly one could put forth that it does in fact teach against crime, self abuse, homosexuality and other earmarks of Emo culture and they would in fact be totally correct.
But that does not apply in our thread discussion on the topic. Now just to clarify... I ‘personally’ believe in God pretty much as Catholicism teaches, though I do not consider myself a Catholic. I don’t do mass and meet the other requirements. That said, If Emos or anyone else chooses anti-religious or atheistic behavior, that’s between them and whoever they don’t believe in.
Nowhere did I insert my choice of belief in my stated opinions as the one they ‘should’ follow. I might think it, but I do not need nor did I, fall back on my religious beliefs to demonstrate the destructive behavior that anti-religious or atheistic choices help foster in the Emo world.
So, in sum, If I didn’t bring Christianity into this, the muslim POS killers didn’t bring Christianity into this, and the now dead Emo kids didn’t bring Christianity into this, nor is it of any relevance to this conversation, can you explain to me why the Gospel, Bible as a whole, Christians, or Christianity have a place in the discussion?
Anti-religious/Atheist can mean not believing in Izanami and hating Vishnu just as easily as it can mean disbelieving in Jesus Christ and hating God. So again, what’s the point?
Being in trouble and not sold on Islam, they are a logical target for a Christian outreach. In spite of caricatures you may have thought in terms of in the past, not too many Christians succeed in “winning souls” by bullying. But they do by preaching of a divine Savior who has embraced the wrongs and woes of the world with the purpose of doing away with them.
Is Iron Maiden relavant to the discussion because the lyrics of Number of the Beast quotes Revelations? Why should a religion that Emos do not believe in or the teachings thereof matter if Iron Maiden does not?
So what if the Bible says anything at all? In this case NONE of it is relevant no matter what it says. Muslims did not rely on Levitican punishments to kill Emo kids. They quoted the Koran. Wmos didn’t rely on prayer as nowhere in the article or anywhere else does it say they were Christian.
In the case of this event The bible is of no more concern that Dr.Suess’ Lorax, Hop on Pop or One Fish Two Fish.
But Anti-religious/Atheism IS relevant as the Emos ARE atheistic/anti-religious. I do not know how much more proof you need to understand this.
But again, this is not relavant. True perhaps, but NOT relavant.
I’m sorry you are completely oblivious to a plan God set forth on earth. When the Christian God said whosoever, he said whosoever. Not just those who happened to be members of churches before they heard.