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Centrist Women Tell of Disenchantment With G.O.P.
New York Times ^ | March 10, 2012 | SUSAN SAULNY

Posted on 03/11/2012 3:39:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

...somewhere between the baby name game and the gifts, what had been light conversation took a sharp turn toward the personal and political — specifically, the battle over access to birth control and other women’s health issues that have sprung to life on the Republican campaign trail in recent weeks.

“We all agreed that this seemed like a throwback to 40 years ago,” said Ms. Russell, 57, a retired teacher from Iowa City who describes herself as an evangelical Christian and “old school” Republican of the moderate mold.

Until the baby shower, just two weeks ago, she had favored Mitt Romney for president.

Not anymore. She said she might vote for President Obama now. “I didn’t realize I had a strong viewpoint on this until these conversations,” Ms. Russell said. As for the Republican presidential candidates, she added: “If they’re going to decide on women’s reproductive issues, I’m not going to vote for any of them. Women’s reproduction is our own business.”

.....Rick Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania who is one of Mr. Romney’s rivals for the nomination, created a tempest late last month by speaking out against prenatal testing. Earlier comments about women in combat and the role of “radical feminism” in encouraging work outside the home also left some women ill at ease.

“Everybody is so busy telling us how we should act in the bedroom, they’re letting the country fall through the cracks,” said Fran Kelley, a retired public school worker in Seattle who voted for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama in the 2008 election. Of the Republican candidates this year, she added, “They’re nothing but hatemongers trying to control everyone, saying, ‘Live as I live.’...

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They’re right about one thing:
dumb sluts ARE the center of American politics!

And the lifeblood of NYTimes’ advertising...


51 posted on 03/11/2012 6:44:49 AM PDT by mrsmith (Sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Please don’t paint with too broad a brush.


52 posted on 03/11/2012 6:45:19 AM PDT by jch10
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To: montag813
Talk about silly. You just walked into this NYT obvious 0bama spin article and accepted it as truth. It's not.

This is a winning issue for the GOP - and it is about religious freedom, not contraception. We are not losing women over this; Pinch just wants you to believe we are.

That said, Newt is the ONLY GOP candidate who can win this 'contrived non-issue'. Santorum has bungled it completely, showing what an amateur he is.

53 posted on 03/11/2012 6:47:40 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is such a fake issue. No republicans have proposed any new policies whatsoever.

I bet if you could find Mary Russell’s FaceBook page, you’d find she’s no so centrist.


54 posted on 03/11/2012 6:48:31 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: ScottinVA

At 50+, I doubt these women have much to worry about in terms of reproducing. And, if their quotes are representative of their mental processes, we can only hope they used all means necessary to prevent reproduction in the past.


55 posted on 03/11/2012 6:51:35 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: usconservative

It’s not that you have a “strong viewpoint” Ms. Russel, it’s just that you’re easily fooled by a slickly packaged lie. You go ahead and vote for Obama, I’m just glad someone as simple-mided and easily fooled as you aren’t in the classroom teaching our children anymore.

She is simple minded and easily fooled. She is an ardent liberal trying to convince conservative to vote for the muslim Resident.


56 posted on 03/11/2012 7:02:33 AM PDT by chainsaw (Sarah Palin is still my first choice to save the USA. . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Centrist” women - I guess to the NYT, need that free abortion and birth control above all other “freedoms” crowd is centrist - Fluke is also a centrist to them. They need to change their name to the New York Propagandist.


57 posted on 03/11/2012 7:13:22 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Correct.

I am not Catholic but am a Christian who does not intend to run from this fight either.

He assaulted the Religious Freedom of EVERY Christian, Jew and some other faiths. This MUST not be forgotten. It MUST be clearly understood.

Obozo aka Barry the Bastard is going down.

God Bless the United States of America and help us regain our place in your world.


58 posted on 03/11/2012 7:23:20 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: CaptainMorgantown

Hahaha! On the money!


59 posted on 03/11/2012 7:25:00 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Yes. I can relate, have to deal with “teachers” as a computer tech, and add to that the disgusting sense of entitlement and I have a serious bad taste in my mouth for them.


60 posted on 03/11/2012 7:36:19 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: going hot

Every 4 years we get this but never any rats who will vote for the GOP sigh


61 posted on 03/11/2012 7:38:45 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: jazzlite

Unless I over looked it I can not tell if she been married by reading the story.


62 posted on 03/11/2012 7:38:45 AM PDT by KingNo155
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To: hal ogen

OR, they completely change the subject the discussion was about... and expect you to re-itereate what you JUST said/explained...brain dead, indeed they are.


63 posted on 03/11/2012 7:43:23 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: ladyrustic

Most people I know, family and/or acquaintences, are living their lives as conservatives— (for the most part) yet as you say, repeat whatever the lying MSM tells them, and believe it. No amount of simple explanation will tell them differently. Quite sad, and scary for the future.


64 posted on 03/11/2012 7:46:21 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: jch10

Knowing personally some of the teachers I have to deal with, I have tried, believe me. They have made it very hard. There are VERY few at the school I do tech work at that aren’t spoiled, selfish, entitled morons. The few I know at the school that have their head on straight are the principal, administrator, and the maintanence man...


65 posted on 03/11/2012 7:51:00 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: vaudine

Nice to see a freeper who gets it rather then the “oh no, we need to be more liberal so we don’t lose such strong republican voters”

I can’t believe there are people still falling for this bs.


66 posted on 03/11/2012 7:52:20 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t buy that these women are evangelicals and “old school” Repubs in the first place. But idiots like this who choose a candidate based solely on their reproductive organs make me think Neal Boortz had a point when he said women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.


67 posted on 03/11/2012 7:57:05 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: sport
"That is what I think each time I see a obama sticker. “Another idiot”.Also I see more of them on vehicles occupied by White people than I do on vehicles occupied by Black people."

Yes, same here. Also, if they're female, they're unattractive and look dumber than dirt.

68 posted on 03/11/2012 7:59:02 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

‘Centrist’, As defined by whom?


69 posted on 03/11/2012 8:08:40 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You are right about former teachers. Many thought they were vastly underpaid while they taught, and now they feel cheated with underpaid retirement checks as well. In some states, raises are rare for teacher retirees. They do believe that there is a government solution to most problems. Many also resent being ineligible for Social Security in many situations.


70 posted on 03/11/2012 8:09:20 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens.)
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To: NHResident

Interesting line, but do you think these “educators” in some cases resent NOT having had abortions when they were less socially popular?


71 posted on 03/11/2012 8:13:05 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Talk about silly. You just walked into this NYT obvious 0bama spin article and accepted it as truth. It's not. This is a winning issue for the GOP - and it is about religious freedom, not contraception. We are not losing women over this; Pinch just wants you to believe we are.

Unlike you, I actually am involved in this process and review private polls each week that show me the lay of the land. The GOP is currently hemmorraging female votes. Stay in denial if you wish. Of course the NYT is propagandizing this to attract the idiot RINO women who read that rag. But beneath that is the underlying truth that the current crop of amateurs running for the nomination, and running the party have thus far completely lost an issue they ought to have won.

72 posted on 03/11/2012 8:15:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mrs. Russell...an evangelical Christian who is pro-abortion. A retired school teacher of the old mold, moderate Republican....most likely she’s just moldy.


73 posted on 03/11/2012 8:18:13 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: jazzlite
"Russell"

I find it amusing (and sad) that she describes herself as an evangelical Christian but strongly believes in abortion. How many evangelical Christians are pro-abortion to the point that's their number one issue? Over the economy, national defense, and religious freedom. Mrs. Russell is a moral moron.

74 posted on 03/11/2012 8:22:28 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And so it begins. The election year liberal media campaign of disenfranchised “republican” women/minorities who “might” or will be voting for the democrat instead. And their “reasons” are always the usual liberal talking points right out of the DNC handbook. It never fails. Now let’s see them interview disenfranchised democrats who will be voting republican. I won’t hold my breath.


75 posted on 03/11/2012 8:22:36 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So the NYT’s in its diligent reporting manages to find a few nitwits out of 3 million Americans. Note they are retired school teachers. Boy I was going to vote republican this election but the New York Times tells me everyone is voting Obama. I don’t want to seem like I think for myself so I’ll vote Democratic.


76 posted on 03/11/2012 8:26:43 AM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: lowbridge

remember the PUMAs?

They didn’t get much press in ‘08.
I can’t imagine they’ve completely disappeared

I haven’t seen any articles about the women who are sick and tired of angry/bitter/anti-baby/anti-men shrill liberal women pretending they speak for all women.


77 posted on 03/11/2012 8:26:57 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Altura Ct.

“‘Centrist’, As defined by whom?”

Fidel Castro.


78 posted on 03/11/2012 8:41:41 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...the battle over access to birth control...

I wonder where this "centrist" is getting her information. WHO is trying to block anyone's "access to birth control"? I haven't heard anything about that in any of this garbage. To be an informed voter, you can't rely on 30 second soundbites from Barry's MSM propaganda machine to give you the truth. No one has said anything about controlling her "reproductive rights". This article in the Slimes is nothing but commie 'RAT propaganda. Women can have all of the "birth control" they want. The taxpayers just don't want to have to pay for it. The Planned Parent Hoods will gladly give them all of the pills and abortions they want.

79 posted on 03/11/2012 8:54:03 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for Americans to WEAN the government off of OUR money!!!)
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To: montag813
National polls like this ... SHOCK POLL: ROMNEY 48% OBAMA 43% [Drudge 'Pimping For Willard' Headline]

would suggest that the GOP is NOT "currently hemmorraging female voters."

However, that said, I think we both agree that Rick Santorum has completely blown this issue, which we should easily win and thus Rick may be hemmorraging female voters. The answer though is not to avoid the issue, but vote Newt and WIN IT! Go Bama and Mississippi!

80 posted on 03/11/2012 9:30:36 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Great thread. It has sparked a lot of varied commentary on many related issues. And as you have so capably illustrated on many threads, it all comes down to .......

The only one clearly making this case to the voters is Newt.

81 posted on 03/11/2012 9:33:05 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Centrist Women Tell of Disenchantment With G.O.P.

Join the club, we've got jackets.

82 posted on 03/11/2012 9:34:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Centrists = moderates = Democrats in drag. Almost as predictable as independents who are Democrats looking to vote Republican until their feelings get hurt for the slightest offense and then return to the safety of their original choice. Neither group have a backbone between them and fancy themselves as erudite and having higher moral standing. Too bad they are so self deceived.
83 posted on 03/11/2012 9:35:52 AM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Reaction:

#1 - It's the New York Times so it's probably a lie.

#2 - During the 60's women were fighting for equal pay and the ability to get their own bank accounts. Today they're fighting for government funded birth control. How are those even comparable?

#3 - Feminists often say they don't need no man. That's apparently true: they need ALL taxpaying men.


84 posted on 03/11/2012 9:38:53 AM PDT by Tzimisce (this sucks)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The rest of the Drudge headline is that Santorum would also beat Obama. Why try to deceive people?


85 posted on 03/11/2012 9:39:04 AM PDT by Eva
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To: C. Edmund Wright

‘If you get tired of explaining caucus states and hard vs. soft delegates’ ping ......


86 posted on 03/11/2012 9:39:11 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Eva; montag813
The rest of the Drudge headline is that Santorum would also beat Obama. Why try to deceive people?

LOL! Thank you for helping to make my point to montag813! I agree that even Rick Santorum can beat 0bama on this issue although montag suggests that the entire GOP is hemorraging women voters over it. I disagree completely with that MSM-DNC-driven meme. AND I just copied the Headline at the link which did NOT say anything about Ricky. Deceive people?! Hardly. Eva, that was beneath you.

My last point. Since I believe it is a winning issue, IMHO we should nominate the best candidate to articulate and win the conservative case for religious freedom ... Newt Gingrich! Hands down. Big time!

87 posted on 03/11/2012 9:45:56 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Yesterday, it had in parenthesis that Santorum would also beat Obama. Late last night, I noticed that Drudge had moved the Santorum part to a separate article with the headline, Santorum also beats Obama.


88 posted on 03/11/2012 9:53:47 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Servant of the Cross

Thanks, I am more than tired of it. I am convinced that Santorum voters, many of them, have no interest in truth or perspective, because they like claiming that 15 thousand folks in one state are as important as 500 thousand in another, etc.

Childish, shallow, not very smart. Gets frustrating .


89 posted on 03/11/2012 9:55:49 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Servant of the Cross
Santorum and Freedom
90 posted on 03/11/2012 9:57:13 AM PDT by Eva
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To: MNDude

Yep, it’s a fake issue, designed specifically to take out Santorum because Obama wants to run against Mitt, so that when the federal individual mandate is thrown out, Obama can call for states to enact their own individual mandate.


91 posted on 03/11/2012 10:00:10 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And people wonder why public schools suck.


92 posted on 03/11/2012 10:00:50 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They have no clue what they’re talking about. Geez.


93 posted on 03/11/2012 10:03:40 AM PDT by peggybac
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To: italianquaker
Every 4 years we get this but never any rats who will vote for the GOP sigh

Oh, we get them all right, but not reported because it does not fit the narrative.

94 posted on 03/11/2012 10:06:10 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Eva

I’ve read with interest your deep and searing political analysis.

Don’t give up your day job.


95 posted on 03/11/2012 10:07:09 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; randita; Diana in Wisconsin; ExTexasRedhead

Most centerist women are opposed to ObamaCare and worried about universe-sized deficits year after year. They don’t support partial birth abortion. They also dislike Obama’s subtle anti-Israel foreign policy.


96 posted on 03/11/2012 10:07:50 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: neocon1984
This “moderate Republican” ex-teacher found by the NYT is a phony

You got it. Utter BS. She is identified as "Ms. Russel, 57". Yep, that sure verifies she's a real person. By the way, sure is nice to be retired at 57.

97 posted on 03/11/2012 10:08:31 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Eva

Obama won’t be able to force an “individual mandate” on the states...a number of them will opt out and no Supreme Court is ever going to do it.

If the “individual mandate” is killed at the Federal level, the most heinous part of Obamacare is DOA.


98 posted on 03/11/2012 10:11:00 AM PDT by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Many folks will dismiss these women as anomalies.

The GOP does so at it's peril.

Who really believe Santorum or Romney can effectively communicate on this issue now that the left has SKILLFULLY created this meme of the GOP stealing women's control over their own reproduction?

As for politics, the TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER. If you think it does or should you are going to be very, very disappointed. There is no should in national politics. There only is.

Santorum cannot break this meme as he is seen as the Church-lady source of it. It is ALL HE WOULD EVER BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT. Every day a new quote from 1991 or 2002. One per day headlining every media outlet...and the opening question of every interview.

While Romney is not see at the center of this meme, he does not have the communication skills to deflect it.

If either of these guys is the nominee, the GOP will lose in a historic landslide and take the GOP house with it.

99 posted on 03/11/2012 10:23:51 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Right Brother
By the way, sure is nice to be retired at 57.

Great point. I noticed that too. Ms. Russell is emblematic of our governmental deficit problem - the very idea of lucrative pensions paid for government jobs is ridiculous. Doesn't happen in the private sector anymore and it will end soon in the public arena despite liberal hysterics because it is unsustainable. And these Libs still think that retiring in the mid-50s, on public funds, is not only acceptable, but a sacred entitlement.

As pointed out multiple times on the thread, a NYT 'centrist' is what Rush calls a 'seminar caller' to his program.

100 posted on 03/11/2012 10:30:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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