Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 11 March 2012
Posted on 03/11/2012 5:18:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
March 11th, 2012
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich; Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum; Govs. Bob McDonnell, R-Va., and Martin O'Malley, D-Md.; Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): THIS WEEK (ABC): Sens. Chuck U. Schumer, D-N.Y., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
I don’t disagree with you but I would like to wait for whatever the investigation shows before jumping to the seemingly obvious conclusion.
I don’t trust the media to give us real facts.
We need to remember, there are standard talking points responses..... er, excuses.
Everybody does it.
It’s Bush’s fault.
Everyone knows capitalism doesn’t work.
It’s just about sex.
There’s only so much a president can do.
We didn’t know how bad it was.
What’s even funnier is the conspiracy aspect of the Fluke BS turned out to be true. It wasn’t a committee hearing it was a Democrat sponsored event made to look like a hearing. She isn’t just a law student, she’s an activist.
Rush was also right in asking what you should call a woman who spends $3000 over three years on birth control? Using condoms alone, that turns into something like having sex over three times each and every day. Since Walmart and other places charges under $10 per month for birth control pills, what was the rest of the expense for?
If a woman has sex over three times a day, what would we call her if not a slut? If a woman is being paid to have sex, and that’s what buying her birth control products amounts to, what should we call her other than a prostitute?
Frankly, Fluke looks and acts like a number of lesbians I’ve seen over the years so I even question her need for birth control products. I certainly would not classify her as cute or sexy.
Great points, as always, bray. Unless we understand and accept the underlying spiritual basis for this conflict we will always be at a severe disadvantage.
I do think we need to remember, however, that Sandra Fluke was not simply a mis-guided, brainwashed “young person” - she’s 30 year old long-time activist who by her own admission chose Georgetown so she could mount an assault on its traditions, institutions and policies. Further, I have no doubt she was in on the White House plan which George Stephanopoulis publicly launched weeks before in the debates. She is not a concerned student - she’s an enemy operative. She may have begun as an ignorant puppet, but she’s now willingly graduated to one of the low-level puppeteers.
We do fall for rat trap after trap no doubt.
I agree that a thorough investigation is needed. I am not jumping to any obvious conclusions, but there should be no doubt that the shootings took place and that there are significant civilian casualties. What prompted the shooting needs to be investigated and explained.
If Rush so chose, he could “Be Breitbart” so to speak.
He has known so much success now for so long that he is at a crossroads for decisions.
Rush can either be content to continue on the present track and retire wealthy, or, he can go for it and TRY the Breitbart track, where he baits the press, causes their predictable response and reaction, LEADS them into that reaction, and then turns it against them, exposes them and blows their corruption up and out into the open, for all the world to see.
This would include Peggy Noonan (whom I ONCE use to respect and admire).
I mean, when PRAVDA and British papers cover the MSM corruption in the US before we do, we’re in some real trouble here.
It's not a matter if Turbo-Tax Timmy SHOULD be arrested, but whether or not he was. No proof was provided for that claim.
Likewise with the Koran burnings. I have seen referenced elsewhere that the personnel who burned them did consult about the proper procedure and were informed, correctly, that burning was the prescribed solution, yet none of "our" spokesmen seem willing to make that case.
My personal opinion is that the Obama administration sanctioned the original leak of the story as part of a plan to stoke and inflame violence against our troops as justification for a planned, humiliating, Vietnam-style withdrawal of our forces before the end of the year.
(There is no in the News in the Truth and there is no Truth in the News).
You're right. The plus side is that Rush has successfully and tactically turned his mistake back upon his attackers and will come out stronger than before as far as his own commercial success is concerned.
The downside is he enabled the left to hijack and divert the national conversation into an area in which the rest of our leaders are ill-equipped to handle.
This incident and issue is going to hurt us this year because it's allowed the Left to reach in and grab the emotions, on a visceral level, of vast numbers of women and impregnate them with the meme (sorry, couldn't help myself) that Republicans want to take control of their reproductive lives.
What bothers me is that 85% of the country isn't up in arms about it.
Taken further, though we have been correctly informed by SOME that the korans were desecrated by Muslim prisoners writing messages to each other in them, we very seldom if ever hear the fact that those korans were required by Islamic law to be burned because of the desecration.
IMO somebody somewhere decided that it was in the better protection of our troops that we simply say it was inadvertant because the stone age stupid people who are rioting and killing our people either couldn't pay attention long enough to "get" the true background or didn't know their own damn law and wanted to kill us anyway.
The other possibility is that "our" people wanted what's happening and wanted it for the purpose you state.
Unfortunately this is what you get at site after site,they either refer to a Feb.24 th suppposed but not proven arrest of Geithner where he appears to have been held by authorities and than tailed or followed but there reamains little confirmation of an actual arrest,IMHO. Other sites simply refer to the Judge Napolitano interview which also fails in proving Geithner was actually arrested. As in many cases involving the regime,actual proof is either hidden, blacked out or is not there. This is yet another,IMHO.
We are fighting an enemy who has complete control of the DBM.
If they want to create a meme/issue out of thin air as George Stephanopolus did some weeks ago while interviewing Romney in a debate they can. And they got have away with it. Just the sheer repetition of contraception as if it were truly an issue is enough to create hundred if not thousands of headlines as if their self created issue was real.
Romney by the way did not fall for it at the time but they kept on with the meme since all of this was undoubtedly planned by the DNC than executed by the DBM. The rats are expert liars and know how to astroturf almost anything they want. Just ask David Axelrod who is probably behind this sham anyway.
If that is the strategy, then it is working. There is a developing consensus among the political elites of both parties that we need to leave sooner rather than the 2014 target date.
I should note that our combat troops were out of Vietnam in November 1972 with just 16,000 military advisers remaining. On March 29, 1973 all remaining troops were withdrawn leaving just a few military personnel protecting our diplomatic facilities. On April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in Vietnam.
The famous picture of US personnel being evacuated from our Embassy's roof in Saigon created the false impression that our military was being routed and escaping in panic. The reality is that we had an orderly departure two years prior to the fall of Saigon and the South Vietnamese fought valiantly for two more years until Congress cut off aid and the NVA violated the Paris Peace Acords and invaded the South in mass numbers. Most of the people evacuated from the Embassy roof top during the last days of Saigon were South Vietnamese who had worked with and for us.
The REV Al on MEET THE PRESS (NBC)??? He has credibility issues that should ban him from ever being taken seriously as a round table or any other type media participant.
Al Sharpton on Bogus Black Caucus Story: “I’ve Seen the Tape”
“Al Sharptontold Bill O’Reilly tonight that he’s seen the non-existent tape that purportedly shows Tea Party Protesters calling Black Caucus Members the n-word. Of course there is no tape. Sharpton is lying.”
The name ‘Joycelyn Elders’ should have been used in response to the Democrats/stateRunMedia fake issue of Government subsidized birth control products.
I believe Rush is doing that now.
Why should he destroy the wonderful work by going out on a shaky limb?
He does all humanly possible without resorting to conspiracy theories.
Not that Breitbart did that... but I guess I’m just wondering what the heck you think Rush should do that he isn’t already doing and that he hasn’t done for, lo, these many years.
You’re probably right, and Rush does plenty. It’s just that he is in such a powerful position, it’s easy to hope for too much in desperate times.
Maybe she had to pay for the, uh...companionship.
The problem is that that is how the media describes her.
Every story, every AP shared article, only referred to Fluke as “Sandra Fluke, Georgetown University student,..”
Given the short attention span modern mankind has with all that invades our lives, I’d say that’s what the vast majority of Americans heard about the issue: Rush Limbaugh called some student a slut.
The press is Pravda.
They did seem to have the counter attack pretty well run out of the gate. The feigned outrage routine ended up backfiring.
A couple of them are up on the web now:
Thank you so much for the explaination!
I did watch it and it was as you say. I think other links on the thread went further, but you’re right, the headline for the video the OP posted was very misleading.
Oh no! Not "The Skipper" and "Gilligan" again. We should start referring to the Sunday Talk Show Thread as the "Gilligan's Island II Thread."
I submit that the primary reason is because, with only a handful of exceptions, almost none of them actually believe in anything beyond their "careers" and staying in office. In addition, another factor is personal cowardice - most of our politicians, who get to make the decisions which send our young military personnel around the world to die or be maimed in the service of their country, aren't fit to shine the boots of those they command.
Other deleterious factors contribute to the problem as well. There is plenty of just plain ignorance and stupidity to go around, and of course unhealthy doses of greed, dishonesty and the lust for power. Finally, my personal favorite, some of them are just plain evil (I wanted to get that out there while we're still allowed to say it... /g).
nathan, your comments are always worth reading, even when we disagree. I'm sure you remember the story of when Abraham Lincoln was confronted about how inappropriate is was to put General Grant in charge of the army because of his slovenly habits and the fact that he was a drunk. Lincoln replied that whatever his faults Grant would at least fight and win battles, and if they'd tell him what kind of whiskey he drank he'd send a barrel to his other generals.
"Our side" is intent upon battering and bloodying themselves over secondary factors of doctrinal nuance and purity, while refusing to acknowledge the necessity of taking the fight directly to the Left. As an acquaintance on another forum puts it, the Institutional Republican Party is just going through the motions to preserve their status quo. They really do prefer to lose the election rather than allow a paradigm shift in which they're no longer in charge of the party.
AB! has been graciously doing this useful and informative thread for years. And it is still worthwhile to watch or keep up with the Sunday Talk Shows as a means of knowing our enemies. However, let's just imagine, as a mental exercise, an alternate reality where the Democrats were in the position the Repubs hold now.
There would be no Sunday Talk Shows where the Repubs and a Repub-controlled media got to regularly manipulate and humiliate a small, carefully-selected subset of Democrat guests for propaganda purposes. Rather than submit to such a loaded scenario the Dems would exercise that famous discipline they've shown time and again and refuse to allow any of their people to participate. Those who tried to break ranks for their own personal benefit (the John McCain and Lindsey Graham types) would be punished severely.
The Dems and their allies on the Left would never submit to play in such a rigged game where they weren't in charge. They'd either take the battle to another front and forum, and the Sunday Talk Show format would wither away, or they'd send only approved, designated spokesmen for the party who'd only parrot an approved, consistent, undeviating party line. No independents, "mavericks", etc. out to cut their own deals and build themselves up would be allowed.
Those differences in discipline, focus and unity of purpose are why they're winning and we're not.
I’m not wanting to pile on Rush either. He did a masterful job of taking a lemon miss-step and making lemonade out of it. There’s no question the Left can manufacture an issue out of thin air whenever they wish. It’s just unfortunate they managed to hit such a high-profile target this time.
But, we need to accept that the Left made a direct hit with their target demographic, which was the vast numbers of women whose only memory of this kerfuffle will be that Rush Limbaugh called a college coed a slut, and the Repubs want to control their contraception.
If they’d managed to hurt Rush with his sponsors and affiliates that would have been gravy, but even though he deflected that blow the Republican candidates are going to continue to be dogged by it, mainly so the media can just let people watch them squirm when confronted with it.
The famous picture of US personnel being evacuated from our Embassy's roof in Saigon created the false impression that our military was being routed and escaping in panic.
That is correct. Unfortunately, that iconic picture and deceptive meme is what most of the world now accepts as truth. I am truly concerned that when one or more of the many world pressure-points finally lets go later this year that our people in AfPak will be forced to undertake some sort of modern equivalent to Xenophon's Anabasis.
The other possibility is that "our" people wanted what's happening and wanted it for the purpose you state.
It is natural to want to believe that our elected leaders are simply in error rather than deliberately treasonous. All I can say is that we've had three years to observe repeated instances of such decisions or "making calls" if you will, and there is a consistent pattern of such which invariably benefit our enemies and hurt us or our allies.
As the adage goes, once is an accident, twice is coincidence, but three times is a plan.
Partisan politics aside, what we are witnessing is the collapse of the welfare state. It is happening here and in Europe. Regardless of what party is in power, the reality is that we cannot remain on our current course. We will have to make some very painful decisions and the longer we wait, the more painful they will be.
Those decisions will have to be made in the context of what we perceive the role of government to be. The Left has created a growing culture of dependency on government. They will resist cuts in the entitlement and welfare programs for both political and philospohical reasons. Our founding documents will come under the greatest stress in our history because the Left sees them as an impediment to their agenda. The Left will try to keep the welfare state going a little longer by increasing taxes and reducing defense expenditures, i.e., the classical guns versus butter battle we have seen played out in Europe. The strategy may work in the short term and be to their political advantage, but the in the long term it is doomed to failure just like the bailouts in Greece.
The GOP establishment has failed to address the issue in terms of its larger context, i.e., the role of government. Instead, they are framing the issues in terms of making the welfare state work more efficiently and effectively. They had to be drawn kicking and screaming into supporting Ryan's plan to change Medicare, which really is not that radical. None of our current Presidential candidates are really discussing rolling back the welfare state. Newt and Rick have expressed their support of the prescription drug program, a $7.2 trillion unfunded liability. Mitt has Romneycare, which says a lot about how he views the role of government. I recall Daniel Hannan at CPAC paraphrasing Mark Twain, that if all you have is a hammer (government spending) then everything (problems) starts to look like a nail.
What I fear will happen is that nothing will be done until a real crisis develops (similar to Greece) and by that time it is probably too late. The economic, political, and human costs could rend the fabric of our society and result in the loss of individual liberties and personal freedoms. The politicians prefer their short term survival to the long term interests of this country. Our political leadership has failed us and ultimately, we the public deserve most of the blame for being uninformed and disengaged.
Good analysis and exposition. What we’re talking about here in a larger sense is civilizational collapse. In addition to the collapse of the Western welfare state and financial bubble, both Islamic and Chinese civilization are facing existential crises as well.
A lot of the horrors which will soon be manifesting themselves in the Islamic world will be the result of famine and demographic pressures exacerbated by a religion/ideology incapable of coping with them. Many observers believe China’s vaunted economy is precarious and hollow too.
And as you’ve described so well in many previous threads, we’re facing our own catastrophic demographic invasion here also.
We are indeed living in interesting times.
You’re right! I had forgotten about her.
I had not thought of that but it might explain the high cost for her coupling. I had STD’s and AID’s testing in mind, or the other tests a licensed woman of the night might incur.
I like your idea better.
I’m hoping for a VP choice who will seize these issues and show them for what they are, simply diversionary.(and his name is Marco)
That would be a good choice. Let us hope!
Willston ND. And why North Dakota of all places? Because the shale oil under the ground they are pumping is mostly on PRIVATE land. The Do Nothing 0 regime in DC can do little to block it's exploration.
Thanks for letting us know.
I don't put it as eloquently as you but Americans have been too fat and happy. Obama has gotten their attention! Hopefully they have waken up in time!
NOrth Dakota is the left’s worst nightmare. If it comes u up it will be because our side brings it up.Great to hear from you John!
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