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US Soldier 'Kills 16' Afghans In Their Homes
Sky News ^ | 12:14pm GMT, UK, Sunday March 11, 2012 | Sky News Staff

Posted on 03/11/2012 5:35:47 AM PDT by DCBryan1

A US soldier has killed 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children, after entering their homes in Kandahar. Sky sources said the Afghan victims also included women and elderly men.

Minister of Border and Tribal Affairs Asadullah Khalid, who is investigating the incident, said the soldier entered three homes, killing 11 people in the first one.

The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) coalition confirmed the incident but did not release the number of killed or injured.

Sky defence reporter Mark Stone said: "Details are still sketchy and various death tolls have emerged.

"It appears to be an isolated incident and the soldier is believed to have been a staff sergeant."

Isaf Deputy Commander Lt Gen Adrian Bradshaw said: "I wish to convey my profound regrets and dismay at the actions apparently taken by one coalition member in Kandahar province.

"I cannot explain the motivation behind such callous acts, but they were in no way part of authorised ISAF military activity."

According to the Panjwai district governor office, seven people died and up to 17 injured were injured in the rampage.

The injured have been treated for their wounds at Nato medical facilities.

Protests were held over the Koran-burning incident

The US embassy in Kabul attempted to quell expected Afghan unrest by also issuing an apology.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


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To: Leep

I can understand your frustration and concern, but mass murder is unAmerican. We believe in law and as Christians in a higher law than even that.


151 posted on 03/11/2012 3:52:18 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: livius

You are confusing tribalism with republicanism. The vast majority of Muslims are moderate. We cannot compare their worst to our best. That most Muslim countries are highly tribalistic is why you see such a Machiavellian outcome in our relations with them. Have you been to Cook County?


152 posted on 03/11/2012 3:57:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
The vast majority of Muslims are moderate.

A real "moderate" Muslim is considered to be an apostate.

153 posted on 03/11/2012 3:58:41 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: DCBryan1
You know what, though I do not condone the killing of other people, if this soldier did what they say he did, he's only doing what many of us would probably like to do but can't.

Our military has sacrificed blood and lives, and all these muslims can do is get upset when a book is burned? What kind of gratitude is that?

I believe this soldier realizes that muslims can't be trusted, none of them, and he acted out in the only way he knew to do.

What do the rest of you think?

154 posted on 03/11/2012 3:59:32 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Ulysse

The vector for “culture” has always been trade throughout human history. The Internet is the best means to wage the war of modernity if you wish to wage a cultural “war”. I say, yes, go ahead and bring Islam into the modern world. You’ll find it naturally moderating.

I don’t understand your final paragraph at all.


155 posted on 03/11/2012 4:00:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Usagi_yo

If he murdered theses people in cold blood id leave him in the hands of the Afghans. I don’t think we want that man coming home and roaming our streets.


156 posted on 03/11/2012 4:03:09 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: 1010RD

Don’t know who you are ...but no one compares their “worst” to
“our” “best”. The only relevant and fair comparisons are Gospel and Koran, Jesus-Christ and Muhamad , Christian civilizations and countries versus muslim “countries”(invaded)
and “civilization” !


157 posted on 03/11/2012 4:05:57 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: DCBryan1
Isaf Deputy Commander Lt Gen Adrian Bradshaw said: "I wish to convey my profound regrets and dismay at the actions apparently taken by one coalition member in Kandahar province. "I cannot explain the motivation behind such callous acts, but they were in no way part of authorised ISAF military activity."

-- and just exactly who is this to comment? This entire thing should be an Article 32 investigation by the US military and not some a$$hat Limey on the pages of Skynews.

158 posted on 03/11/2012 4:17:53 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: Popman
...Nine children or nine young adult males?...

Exactly. The media can't be trusted.

In the recent Rush/Fluke brouhaha the referred to Ms. Fluke as "young girl" and "young student". She's 30.

159 posted on 03/11/2012 4:19:26 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: 1010RD

I agree with you on the fact that we are on the 21th century !
Great news .

I think that you have a liberal, ie wrong , understanding of the problem and a wrong understanding of what is culture .
Modernity is not a synonym of goodness and truth and progress in every fields of human activities . Or you missed some part of history or you have a fantasmatic rosy vision of modernity which is a kind of (fake)religion.
J.Christ lived 2000 years ago and Aristotles 2350 years ago... It’s absolutly not a question of age and time.
Islam is wrong and bad and always will be but we can influence some muslim people by culture ie science, philosophy,art and christian teachings.

Culture need individual learning and hard and patient work.
Internet is only a tool ! Depends on how and what for one is using it


160 posted on 03/11/2012 4:29:35 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: dfwgator

You’ve hit on it exactly.

A friend of mine married a Muslim originally from Pakistan. They live here stateside and he’s been an American citizen for decades. One year his uncle came to visit for a week. During that time he asked that I not come over and his wife wore a hijab. As soon as the uncle left life went back to normal and we discussed Jesus Christ as God, etc.

Islam is experiencing a mass apostasy. You can keep them down on the farm while they live backward lives in jungles, deserts and cliff-side. Once they come into the modern world they struggle to reconcile their religion’s 7th century approach to life. Islam, radical Islam, is dying and will eventually die out completely.

Our goal is to keep radical Islam dying and prevent them from taking us with. You cannot imagine how disturbing it is that Saudi women want to drive or even speak out. They’re barbaric, but it will come to an end.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/saudi-police-break-protest-womens-campus-report-184016433.html

The radicals realized this early in the 20th century. As soon as Lawrence taught them what a nation was again. So they’ve been working to stop the future. If they get the bomb they’ll use it for certain. Death is a plus and taking God’s creation with them the goal. I we can insure they cannot get hold of WMD modernity will win. If not...


161 posted on 03/11/2012 4:46:38 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Ulysse

Are you suggesting a Crusade?


162 posted on 03/11/2012 4:49:18 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I just think, for as long as we’ve been there now, this was bound to happen. A lot of good has gone down, but the longer we stay ...

I want our soldiers HOME. We’re going to need them HERE. I’m sick of the money being wasted on these tribal backwards neanderthals.

Shut the borders, control who comes in, and F the rest of this world. I’m sick of being so “open.”

NO more of them need to come here, either. Sick of it.


163 posted on 03/11/2012 4:49:34 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Ulysse

I don’t think that modernity is goodness, but it is occurring. Islam is quite akin to conservative Christianity in its everyday values. Religiously minded students indicate that Muslim students have very high moral standards and that is an admirable trait.

I believe radical Islam is losing and will lose. If we can stop them from getting WMD we’ll win no matter what. People like air conditioning, cable and food.

The biggest danger we face is losing our next generation: http://www.pewglobal.org/2011/11/17/the-american-western-european-values-gap/

Take a look toward the bottom on cultural superiority. We’re becoming more like Europe thanks to liberals and government schooling. The breakout just gets worse as you get younger. I’d like to see the crosstabs going back several decades, but if Americans don’t think we’re exceptional then we may lose v. radical Islam.

If you’re going to share “culture” you best start at home. Our kids don’t think America is exceptional. That’s dangerous.


164 posted on 03/11/2012 4:54:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Doofer
I can't. I can't tell you why we're in the middle east at all.

We wouldn't be if we would drill our own oil.

Nothing can change the middle east. We should withdraw all troops, increase surveillance and intelligence and bomb when and where necessary after due warning to civilians.

165 posted on 03/11/2012 4:55:38 PM PDT by altura
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To: Monorprise

That’s ridiculous.

The man is a U.S. soldier and must be tried here, either in a military or civilian court.


166 posted on 03/11/2012 4:59:24 PM PDT by altura
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To: Texas Eagle
I've only got a lot of questions. Hope this isn't true

1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1= a whole lot dead.

167 posted on 03/11/2012 5:03:12 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: LibsRJerks

I understand how you feel, but we’re threading a needle here. We want to keep the fight on the Jihadi’s territory and not ours. That means some overseas presence. Right now you have the hearts and minds easily in the Jihadi’s camp. Why is that?

I’d say cultural affinity and logistics. If you’ve been raised Muslim in a backwater of a country your worldview is pretty limited. Jews are bad, Americans are spoiled hedonists and the Great Satan helping to keep you stupid and poor. It’s an anti-Muslim world conspiracy lead by us.

Logistics also says that if we leave, and we will eventually leave, the Taliban has the shortest supply lines. It makes sense to negotiate with them as we couldn’t totally pacify them in certain areas. Afghanistan has always been governed this way, even under conquerors. It’s trabalistic and you have to negotiate your way through the tribes. That’s good and bad. The USSR did a good job of holding them back upon their withdrawal, but you cannot defend everywhere. Some areas are bound to fall back into Talibani hands.

As regards immigrants we need them. We need to do a better job of Americanizing them. We need English to be the official language of all US government. We need a pro-American civics program, etc. Our immigration policy is junk.


168 posted on 03/11/2012 5:04:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: brityank
..He's concerned....

I can't get past his picture. I'm in love. :)
Seriously, thanks for the link. I have bookmarked it because good info is hard to come by. Thanks!

169 posted on 03/11/2012 5:15:54 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Monorprise

Well that’s the rub. Is he guilty or not guilty until a trial, then whose trial? Was this some sort of PTSD? Was his gay lover killed after the qur’an burnings? What are the mitigating factors if any and who’s jurisdiction does he fall under.


170 posted on 03/11/2012 5:16:05 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: 1010RD

I’m not confusing anything. Tribalism has nothing to do with it. Muslims have no tribes here in the US, and they’re violent here. Islam is an insane death-cult and our biggest mistake was to try to believe it could be “moderated.”

We should have devoted ourselves to destroying it if we really wanted to help these people (and the whole world, in fact).


171 posted on 03/11/2012 6:08:58 PM PDT by livius
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To: DCBryan1
A lot of conflicting information at this point.

Afghans say it was multiple perps, U.S. says it was only one.

Afghans saw the perp(s) were drunk, but something so methodical could only be done by sober perps.

Bodies "burned" with "chemicals". 16 bodies? How can one person lug gallons of chemicals while covertly attacking a home protected by dogs.

172 posted on 03/11/2012 7:09:30 PM PDT by magellan
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To: huldah1776

I disagree that the policies of Petreaus are the problem. His COIN methods worked well in Iraq. Since Obama came into office, however, the “Rules of Engagement” have drastically changed and made the situation much more difficult for our military.

I lay the reason for the current situation in Afghanistan more at the feet of the president and his cabinet than the generals pursuing the war in Afghanistan.


173 posted on 03/11/2012 8:20:57 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: InterceptPoint

at this point, bring all our people home...massive mistake to stay there....our decent young people don’t deserve to be put in such horrible conditions....


174 posted on 03/11/2012 8:56:47 PM PDT by cherry
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To: tuckrdout

34,300,000 people living in an area the size of Texas and less hospitable. Most of it is already a parking lot. A miserable pile of dirt and high rock. You fly over it and almost all you see is dirt and rock. That these people, and so many of them, can survive there is astounding. The pictures I have defy the imagination to say how they grow enough to survive. I think they can live on air alone. Without eliminating them systematically we will never defeat them and with each elimination we would create a new martyr and new foes who would make it their sole purpose in life and death to avenge the death of the martyr.

Short of genocide and annihilation, containment is the only option I can see if we do anything more than just leave them alone.


175 posted on 03/11/2012 9:36:02 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: DCBryan1

I suspect the Afghan government has found a sacrificial lamb to offer up to the bloodthirsty masses.


176 posted on 03/11/2012 10:44:54 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: DCBryan1

I’ve already seen reactionists call it PTSD on Facebook, some friends of mine. No. No. And no.


177 posted on 03/11/2012 11:02:12 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: ducttape45

I pray to God that most Americans would not “like” to kill anyone, but especially not children!

But, then again, we do kill millions in the womb, don’t we?

There is no excuse for what this person did. And if he did indeed murder sleeping old people, women and children in their beds...he should get the firing squad. Quick and simple. What he did was abhorrent and he has endangered the lives of Americans all over the world....which I believe was his purpose.


178 posted on 03/11/2012 11:05:53 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: dfwgator
How did that approach work out for us in Nam?

According to Ngyuen Giap in his book "How We Won The War" it completely demoralzed the communists and they would have capitulated had it not been for traitorous Americans like Jane Fonda protesting the war.

179 posted on 03/11/2012 11:47:22 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: 1010RD
I can understand your frustration and concern, but mass murder is unAmerican. We believe in law and as Christians in a higher law than even that.

Were the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki mass murder? Tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children and puppies were incinerated...mass murder right?

180 posted on 03/11/2012 11:58:25 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: DCBryan1

When Obooga is tried for treason and sentenced to life in prison, then I’ll believe the government’s version of events in this case.


181 posted on 03/12/2012 12:05:29 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: altura

I agree .
But in the same time we must wage a deliberate and steady and tough and organized cultural and civilizational war beside an economic war against the muslim world in order to help muslims
weakening the deadly strength and grip of that lunatic totalitarianism on entire societies


182 posted on 03/12/2012 12:54:06 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: dfwgator

War , jihad, is in islamic’s genes.

All the rest , blablabla or yadayada if you prefer , on moderate islam is fairy liberal tale.
We can maybe sometimes talk to individual muslims but as a whole, as a community, we are facing an ennemy at war


183 posted on 03/12/2012 1:00:08 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: dfwgator

War , jihad, is in islamic’s genes.

All the rest , blablabla or yadayada if you prefer , on moderate islam is fairy liberal tale.
We can maybe sometimes talk to individual muslims but as a whole, as a community, we are facing an ennemy at war


184 posted on 03/12/2012 1:12:29 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: 1010RD

I completly disagree and think that you are utterly wrong.

If you went outside your backyard going in the big world and leazrning a little bit of history you would understand that christianism in is history INCLUDING the so-called middle-age(which i repeat is not separated from the previous and subsequent periods !) has nothing to do with the islamic so-called(fake) “morality” .
You must have a very vague understanding of what morality is.

For example Monogamy was a revolution in many societies at the times of J.Christ and women’s dignity has been clearly taught and stated and founded by the christianism.

About the christian Middle-Age you are making the average mistake of anachronism. After the end of the roman empire a new society was trying to build itself and christianism became the prominant religion among different peoples , “tribes”, with their own pagan traditions.
All the people at that time didn’t become suddenly perfect christians....To make it short , i must go, compare the Gospel and J.Christ to Koran and Muhamad . That’s the good and right comparison.
In addition the middle-age is an age of beginning of new societie, an age of birth , of hard work and building.

You didn’t understand(???) when i told that in Europe and in the byzantine empire the “middle-age” was the age of the building of universities, hospitals ,art and cathedrals and monasteries...

Don’t hide yourself behind words like “crusades”. At the beginning of the Middle-Age “christian societies” have been violently and steadily attacked by islamic heirds from all parts(from South first and East )


185 posted on 03/12/2012 1:45:29 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Ajnin; 1010RD
180 posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 1:58:25 AM by Ajnin: “Were the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki mass murder? Tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children and puppies were incinerated...mass murder right?”

No.

Both cities were legitimate military targets. Carpet-bombing of the cities with traditional bombing runs to destroy production capabilities would have been entirely legitimate; we did that repeatedly in Europe and were prepared to do so as part of a ground invasion of Japan. If anything, the use of atomic rather than traditional bombs greatly reduced the loss of Japanese civilian lives.

Furthermore, the Empire of Japan was in a formal state of war against the United States and had been for years. They were the aggressor at Pearl Harbor; we didn't start that fight. The Japanese decision to attack Pearl Harbor and the American decision to attack Hiroshima and Nagasaki were made at the highest levels of the military in Japan and by the highest levels of the military and civilian chain of command in the United States; both were acts of war, not mass murder.

There is no comparison between those actions and the action of a renegade staff sergeant who went out and deliberately killed more than a dozen people without any command to do so.

We'll learn more details soon, but even if the Afghans involved would have been a legitimate military target and even if the civilians would have been collateral damage, this staff sergeant acted without orders and that in and of itself makes his actions worthy of court-martial.

186 posted on 03/12/2012 2:47:29 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: napscoordinator; Pinkbell
24 posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:44:37 AM by napscoordinator: “There has to be more to the story. This guys was an E-6 and it is unlikely that he would just “go off” like that for no reason.”

True.

104 posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:57:53 PM by Pinkbell: “The whole goal of this nation building is to get the locals to trust us, and things like this do not help at all. I forsee protests at least as bad, if not worse, than the Koran burnings. The Taliban has already declared they will avenge, and angry locals could get behind them. With attitudes over there, they could very well take it out on the U.S. military as a whole instead of realizing that it was one soldier gone rogue.”

As others have said, this is a public relations nightmare, both for American forces in Afghanistan and for the military in the United States.

I know the man who will soon be in charge of PAO for American forces in Afghanistan. I may send him a note expressing my condolences for his recent promotion.

187 posted on 03/12/2012 2:48:36 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Since when do the Navy SEALS have staff sergeants? I am not buying this story as currently reported.


188 posted on 03/12/2012 5:11:03 AM PDT by Belle22
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To: darrellmaurina; Ajnin

I couldn’t have written it better and I completely concur.


189 posted on 03/12/2012 5:23:09 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DCBryan1
The local NYT-owned newsrag around these parts was, predictably enough, short-stroking this all over the front page this morning.

And then on page A5 is a three-paragraph blurb about a bomb killing fifteen people in Pakistan who were there to send off a local anti-Taliban official.

Islamics killing islamics, as usual, gets the standard 'just another day in the middle east' treatment.

190 posted on 03/12/2012 5:48:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: DCBryan1

I agree, but with all the crazy Shite going on over the the last few months, a guy snapping is not that surprising.


191 posted on 03/12/2012 6:48:43 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: InterceptPoint

“If true The O will use the incident to accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan. If untrue, The O will still use the incident to accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan.”

Gosh, that would be terrible. It’s been such a worthwhile and productive ten years we’ve spent there. I was looking forward to another ten.


192 posted on 03/12/2012 7:18:08 AM PDT by juno67 (ui)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Bingo.


193 posted on 03/12/2012 7:26:03 AM PDT by juno67 (ui)
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To: Monorprise

Exactly.


194 posted on 03/12/2012 7:32:46 AM PDT by juno67 (ui)
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To: DCBryan1

My local radio station reported that 16 women and children were killed. I find this hard to believe that no men were killed. Sounds made up.


195 posted on 03/12/2012 7:35:53 AM PDT by angcat
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To: 1010RD
a religion that has nearly 2 billion members, most of whom are peaceful complicit by their silence.

FIFY

196 posted on 03/12/2012 8:21:03 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

We should give our solider a medal. I don’t trust the media and I certainly don’t know what the real story is. We should get the hell out of that country let them rot.


197 posted on 03/12/2012 9:15:32 AM PDT by angcat
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To: donna

#116 Great reminders....thank you! I have been so upset over the ‘murders’ of American soldiers, gangster style, had not realized this had happened.....until we know the facts, I can’t comment other than to wonder how a man on a “rampage” could manage to ‘burn’ houses....


198 posted on 03/12/2012 9:24:52 AM PDT by yoe
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To: angcat
Sounds made up.

D'ya think?

Consider the source: Sky "News". You may as well call that bunch the Taliban Propaganda Ministry, and the story reads for all the world like it came out of a cave as well.

Whenever the Taliban gets casualties, they immediately start screaming about dead women, children and massacred wedding parties. Whenever they lose twenty gunmen, they claim 2000 of our troops dead, wounded, captured or all of the above.

JMHO, the Taliban got such good play out of that Burning Koran press release, they tossed this blivet out just to see who would bite.

Made up? If there's any prosecution involved out of this little ploy, it should be reserved for whatever self-described "professional" journalist(s) commits the gratuitous fraud involved in repeating the crap....even in the fevered dreams about finally managing to fabricate that My Lai staged in Afghanistan story.

199 posted on 03/12/2012 9:48:24 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((312 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: Ajnin

I think so. I think that was another inhumane choice against life made by a democrat.


200 posted on 03/12/2012 10:47:10 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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