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The Romney Problem
Shameless Vanity ^ | 3/11/2012 | Dick Bachert

Posted on 03/11/2012 11:35:23 AM PDT by Dick Bachert

An Internet friend responded to my recent email re. Romney's past tilts to portside by observing that we have no choice but to support him if he is the nominee. While I want Obozo to go away ASAP, as of this writing, it's not looking all that good.

My somewhat expanded reply follows.

The Obama smear machine will tear Romney to shreds. Here's the narrative:

MR's past and current positions are similar/identical to mine. You gonna vote for a rich, white pubbie over the first black president? A rich, white pubbie who was born with a mouth full of silver spoons who makes snap bets for 10K on TV and tells unemployed workers that his wife drives "...several Cadillacs..."? You gonna vote to send me away after I hiked your welfare benes? (Almost 50% of Americans are receiving those benes.) And the Dem's will make sure ALL those supporters will get to the polls and, along with millions of illegals and the departed, vote early and often. (It's the Chicago Way.)

And because the choice is between Obozo and Obozo lite, a lot of the less committed and uninformed otherwise conservative voters may sit it out.

We need a clear CHOICE. We don't need the establishment GOP favorite shoved down our throats by the same Beltway jerks who, according to Palin, REFUSED to allow her to expose Obozo's marxist past in '08. That situation is but more evidence of the truth of some gallows humor popular with fellow cynics that the Dems want socialism NOW while the pubbies are content to wait a few days. The bad news from '08 is that the GOP establishment has become impatient.

With the MSM covering for Obozo again and the bulk of the electorate either ignorant of or supporting the dismantling of this nation, we've got trouble right here in River City.

I'm not sure this fight can be won -- or even worth the effort. It now seems that fight will almost certainly move to a new and more "kinetic" level. This WILL get ugly.

All that said, I and many of those I know will NOT allow these treasonous criminals to steal the birthright so many others died to defend.

I guess we'll see you at the polls. If that fails, it's on to the barricades (figurative or literal) to carry on the fight the other side started.

"To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his Gods,"


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1 posted on 03/11/2012 11:35:26 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

well stated !


2 posted on 03/11/2012 11:42:31 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Dick Bachert

>>I’m not sure this fight can be won — or even worth the effort. It now seems that fight will almost certainly move to a new and more “kinetic” level. This WILL get ugly.

Yep. It’s going to get “kinetic”. If Obama wins, the people will have to rise up to save the nation from communism. If Obama loses, his zombie hordes will rise up to “take what’s theirs”.


3 posted on 03/11/2012 11:43:35 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Dick Bachert
Romney has won (when he has won) by spending millions to trash his opponents. That is not a winning strategy to defeat Obama (not that he will even try to trash Obama).

He needs to present a unique vision rather than just trashing others...and he has no unique vision.

Romney is incapable of defeating Obama!

4 posted on 03/11/2012 11:45:07 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Romney: "I can haz cheezy grits, Y'all?")
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To: Dick Bachert

Here’s the campaign in a nutshell:

“More of the Same vs. Less of the Same.”


5 posted on 03/11/2012 11:45:54 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: Dick Bachert
This vanity does not belong in News........

But since you are a n00b,.......Oh, wait! I don't care if you are right! LOL!

Romney and his mega millions, and his attacks and personal destruction of Newt, is why this is now, officially a disaster. We had a candidate with an honest plan and a vision, but it has ended on the stupidity of the ignorant voters.

6 posted on 03/11/2012 11:54:00 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Dick Bachert
How ever you look at it, Obozo will most likely win reelection.

Gas/Diesel prices will mysteriously drop below $3.00/gal. by the election. The media cheer-leading about the number of jobs created will continue every month till the election.

Mitt Obomney will most likely win the nomination and go on to be crushed like Dole and McLame.

For me, I'll be voting for the Constitutional Party candidate here in NH. NH will likely go for Mittens so I'm not concerned about “throwing away my vote” like some people here will accuse me of doing.

Hopefully Mittens will be the last establishment candidate we have to suffer.

7 posted on 03/11/2012 11:56:00 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Dick Bachert
When I hear Romney speak I hear only Political Oleo. This in lieu of real Butter. On the other side words from Obama that sound like lies, and sure enough, they are lies.
8 posted on 03/11/2012 11:57:28 AM PDT by CHEE (if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot. - Congressman Davy Crockett)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Maybe the day will come where we no longer comply and cooperate with regulations.

The Supreme Court will fall into the wrong hands and we will eventually conclude “this is not a battle of flesh and blood, but principalities and powers in high places”.

I don’t believe we are quite there, as we are still struggling pretty much on our own power against what is seen, rather than against the unseen forces.

We really must begin to fight this on our knees and give God the hours of prayer for our needs and in the grave danger we face, that we are spending on the key board. (Absolutely talking to self here, btw.) :)


9 posted on 03/11/2012 12:05:10 PM PDT by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Obozo or Willard or Santo whom are all OWNED by the Unions.. same difference, different mouth breathing..

Newt is the real NO ONLY option for change from a federal givernment complete take over..

I am surprised that even some freepers are so easily fooled.. and some are..
All three promise great swelling words BUT are OWNED by the same Masters..

I ask you how can you even BE elected in Chicago, Massachusetts or Pennsylvania..
WITHOUT Union support?

The Union Machine in those places is even WORSE than in Wisconsin.. as corrupt as that place is..
Those three people are DRONES.. in the Union Hive..

I am not amused by support for Santo or Willard.. especially HERE..
Many freepers must be dullards..

I am not too smart either ... HELL I’m a republican..


10 posted on 03/11/2012 12:11:32 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: CapnJack
Hopefully Mittens will be the last establishment candidate we have to suffer.

I would hope that wish comes true. However, not because 2012 is the last legitimate (or otherwise) presidential election we'll ever see.

Regards,
GtG

11 posted on 03/11/2012 12:19:07 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: RoosterRedux; Dick Bachert; All

“Romney has won (when he has won) by spending millions to trash his opponents. That is not a winning strategy to defeat Obama (not that he will even try to trash Obama).”

McCain redux....no question about it.


12 posted on 03/11/2012 12:22:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Say it ain’t so, Joe! Are you giving up??


13 posted on 03/11/2012 12:26:32 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Romney is losing.

He cannot and will not continue with the race, if it appears this will head to a ‘brokered convention’.

Either someone like Palin will take the nomination in that case and will immediately bring both Gingrich and Santorum and probably even Paul on board publicly, or perhaps the GOP establishment (which is already starting to realize they’re backing a turkey) will substitute someone like Jeb. Who’s just as bad, but certainly wouldn’t do Romney any good.

I think of all the current candidates, it is Romney who is in the most precarious position of all. I am starting to believe he’ll drop out of this race.

Keep up the pressure.

Romney’s going to drop out.


14 posted on 03/11/2012 12:32:02 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Dick Bachert; All

“And because the choice is between Obozo and Obozo lite, a lot of the less committed and uninformed otherwise conservative voters may sit it out.”

I for one don’t appreciate being labeled “less committed and uninformed” because I refuse to support Romney in a general election. He is NOT a choice....you yourself call him “Obozo lite.” I think NOT supporting him sends a message to the country club elite that my vote is ONLY obtained by supporting MY VALUES. Romney does not on many levels. IF the GOP is stupid enough to select him as nominee, I will do something I have never done since the first POTUS election of 1976.....I will stay home or leave that portion of the ballot blank. Starting in 1976 until 2008 I always voted for the GOP candidate, even if they were less than desirable. However, I won’t do this for Romney.

I think, for me, it takes more courage to not vote than to vote for an unsuitable candidate simply to vote against the Obamanation of Desolation.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Dick Bachert

It’s time for something completely different.

http://www.selfgovernment.us


16 posted on 03/11/2012 12:48:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: Sola Veritas

Don’t stay home. We are working to provide a principled conservative alternative.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 12:49:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: Dick Bachert
Another reason why we're in trouble:


18 posted on 03/11/2012 12:52:42 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: RitaOK

Amen.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 12:57:32 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: RoosterRedux
Romney (if he is able to gain the nomination) MUST have we conservatives behind him, constantly "lighting the REAL way" as we know conservatism to be.

We can and must keep the heat on him, pushing and pulling him in our direction.

The absolutely last thing we must permit is for Obama to win a second term, not only for what he has already done to our Republic but plans (and threatens) to do in our future and the future of our posterity.

We committed conservatives have learned how to fight even if a bit late to the war on liberalism.

What we must do, as never before, is not give up or give in to those who sit back and watch as we destroy ourselves from within - all the while liberalism continuing to march us into a Socialist Utopia, quicker than Europe and in a far more dangerous world.

I have to hand it to liberals, they settle for "baby steps" toward their ultimate goals even if it took decades to achieve, while we conservatives, when we lose, pout and steam, blame other conservatives who let us down, etc. all the while liberals continue marching on toward their ultimate goals. They have been far-sighted while we have not.

Some of us here support Newt, Rick (either one), Michelle, Herman and/or Sarah. We've permitted our loyalties to a specific candidate to hide our ultimate plan (as liberals always do) and keep on keeping on.

If we do, as many of us have done in the past, when our favorite candidate or issue lost, to gather up our marbles and leave the game.

It must be "one for all and all for one (conservatism)" and resist being poor losers, for we have our very democratic way of life at stake here.

In 2012, it is not about which candidate but our fight against tyranny vs. liberty and a democratic way of life.

If we give in to the "my guy or the highway" Obama will win, America will lose.

I beseech all of you dear folk to fight as you've never fought before in your lives, against liberalism, socialism, Marxism and tyranny. Help whomever wins, drag that candidate, if necessary, across the finish line in November.

We can also kick out as many RINOs out of office and work to push as much a conservative agenda as we can all the while but getting Obama out of office, then turning our sights on our "leaders in-name-only" to rid them from our ranks.

20 posted on 03/11/2012 1:03:46 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Dick Bachert

Will NOT vote for Romney.

Romney will deliver what Obama promises but without protest.

NO BACKSTABBERS.


21 posted on 03/11/2012 1:06:16 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: hosepipe
There are a lot of people who are in unions who are conservative. You only hear about the big mouth ones on the left. My parents, my 2 uncles and an aunt all are union, but they only vote republican. They are tired of the union taking there dues and giving it to democrats. My grandfather was beaten by some union thugs, but no one would testify against the guys who did it. Everyone said they did not see anything, they were scared. He was in the hospital for over a week and was never the same. About 40-45% of the people in unions are republicans. If we don't get these union people who are republican, we lose. Don't believe the lies that all the union people will go with obama. My dad was thrown out of a meeting because he was yelling about the dues and he was told never to come back. He had more than half the people cheering him.
22 posted on 03/11/2012 1:09:53 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: zerosix
Romney (if he is able to gain the nomination) MUST have we conservatives behind him

Sorry. Not happening.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 1:10:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: zerosix

I will NEVER vote romney. He lies, cheats,, steals and will do anything to get himself power. If you want documentation on this I’ll be happy to send it to you. He is No different than obama. If romney wins a third party candidate will rise up and that is the only way I vote.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 1:13:27 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Looks like this is a third party. Who does this website support?


25 posted on 03/11/2012 1:17:42 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Linda Frances

THanks Linda for the story. That is encouraging.


26 posted on 03/11/2012 1:39:29 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist)
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To: Linda Frances

Me.


27 posted on 03/11/2012 1:41:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: EternalVigilance

And you are?


28 posted on 03/11/2012 1:43:39 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Linda Frances

http://www.tomhoefling.com/


29 posted on 03/11/2012 1:49:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: zerosix

And we can’t forget the importance of having a republican, even a RINO, in office when a vacancy occurs on the SCOTUS.

At least with a RINO we will have some influence, whereas with The Messiah, we will have ZERO.


30 posted on 03/11/2012 1:50:45 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Your old tired promises just don’t bear inspection. Romney appointed virtually all liberals to the courts in Massachusetts. Most of them were Democrats. Some were radical left-wing activists.


31 posted on 03/11/2012 1:54:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: Hulka
Not only will I ever vote for Romney, but I’m tired of the GOP “fixing” elections for who “they” think we should vote. The cheating and lying by the romney campaign, with the assistance of the gop, the media on the right, and unnamed powerful people, has shown me they are as corrupt as the democrats. IF romney wins, there WILL BE a third party candidate. I would never have considered that before, but because of the tatics used to force romney on us, we better start considering who we will end up with in 2016. I have no doubt that romney will lose against obama. Any third grader could show the hypocrisy of who he really is. If we do as we are “told” and vote for THEIR politican we are saying, keep lying and cheating, I'll do what I am told like a good republican. We will NEVER again have a choice in a nominee. They did this with mccain and now romney. They are stealing our vote, no different than when people vote for the dead. If we give them what they want they will know there schemes have worked and will continue to use them until we stop it.

The GOP have taken our right to vote and corrupted it. If I vote for romney, then I am just like democrat voters who live on the plantation. Why should I stay with a party who uses me? I won’t if romney wins.

32 posted on 03/11/2012 2:01:50 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: zerosix

The only problem with your analysis is that Romney IS a liberal!


33 posted on 03/11/2012 2:06:55 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Romney: "I can haz cheezy grits, Y'all?")
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To: EternalVigilance
Mass is not the US Congress. Different animal completely. Mittens will not have much influence over the congress, especially a congress dominated by republicans voted in by republican and conservative voters. The congress WILL have influence over mittens. The presidential election has long coat-tails when it comes to helping others get elected.

But if you choose to stand by and allow the Zero to get another term. . take your ball (vote) and go home.

Me. . .I'd rather go down fighting than to just give up and fall on my knees and hope Zero and his ilk treat me kindly.

This election is about more than the presidency.

Have a nice day.

34 posted on 03/11/2012 2:12:12 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: EternalVigilance

How about the normal resume items, like:

Education, military service, elected offices and private enterprise positions held, major accomplishments, endorsements, etc.?

Means of support between elections?


35 posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:08 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Dick Bachert

Ok....so, let’s say I agree with all of your anti-Mitt points...

Where does that leave us?

Santorum would garner a solid 35 % of the popular vote and we’d be stuck w Barack.

I continue to contend that Newt is the only one of the 3 capable of making Obama’s campaign, pure misery.

ya, i know all about the delegate count, which has nothing to do with my point.


36 posted on 03/11/2012 2:33:41 PM PDT by G Larry
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To: Hulka
Mittens will not have much influence over the congress, especially a congress dominated by republicans

And where is this "congress dominated by republicans" going to come from if Mitt is the nominee? Apart from those who refuse to vote for Mitt (who may nevertheless go to the polls to vote downticket . . . and may not), Mitt will not generate any enthusiasm in the conservative base. Lack of enthusiasm means depressed turnout. And all those precious liberals and moderates whom Mitt is supposed to draw (though they may well prefer Obama in the general) are really, really unlikely to vote in a conservative Congress.

Mitt has gotten as far as he has by money and lies; Obama can outclass him on both counts.

37 posted on 03/11/2012 2:57:18 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Linda Frances

[ Don’t believe the lies that all the union people will go with obama. ]

What is.. is.. What ain’t.... AIN’T

The Unions some were then and all are Now... PARASITICAL..
The first thing communists do when taking over a country is take over the Unions..
They(unions) support their false ideological dreams..

Unions sap strength from any economical system...
To be a Union member means you are part of the problem not the solution..
Unions are ANTI-FREEDOM... and anti-individual... Always..

All arguments for Unions are Rope-A-Dope... double talk..
ONLY self-centered parasites fall for Union rhetoric..
UNIONS are extremely negative.. even while robber barons were strong..

When Unions and politics meet there is word for that..
That word is Fascism.. which is a form of Communism..
Unions feed on socialism which a symptom of the political disease of democracy..
Democracy was, is now and will continue to be Mob Rule by mobsters..

Democracy is a lie.. no country has ever been democratic.. ever..
Thats why the US is not a democracy.. that word appears nowhere in the American Constitution..


38 posted on 03/11/2012 3:14:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: G Larry

39 posted on 03/11/2012 3:15:33 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: RoosterRedux

[ The only problem with your analysis is that Romney IS a liberal! ]

Romney is not a liberal he’s an ally of liberals..
While mouthing non liberal double talk he supports liberals..

The good friend of Ted Kennedy(romney) is a ringer,, a phoney,, a fake..
He fooled democrats for years into voting for him(Mass) because they knew he was a ringer..

He is RINO in an Elephants costume, a spy, a Trojan Horse..
He is a double agent as UNION drone owned by the Unions..

Republican women cannot “smell” him but many republican men do..
He smells like a democrat he has a QUEER sound in his voice like a democrat..

Q: Why would Mass. voters choose him(an ultra rich republican) when they prefer Ted Kennedy, Francois Kerry and Barney Frank and many more evil bastards like that?..

A: They know he is also an evil son of a bitch.. They “smell” him.. He smells like “THEM”..


40 posted on 03/11/2012 3:34:55 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: truth_seeker

Sure. After we’ve thoroughly discussed non-negotiable American principles.

Then I’ll be happy to discuss the less important matters you raise.


41 posted on 03/11/2012 3:42:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: Hulka

“Stand by and let Zero get another term?” “Take my ball and go home?” Sorry, you’re way off base. I’m doing neither.

But I’m also not supporting the most liberal Governor in the history of the United States, just because he has an “R” by his name.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 3:45:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: Dick Bachert

Much work ahead. I’m *for* class warfare. Not Obummer’s, but first, We The People vs the Marxists, and then WTP against the entire remainder of the Political Class. An *awesome* amount of work ahead. I hope to live long enough to see the end of it.


43 posted on 03/11/2012 4:10:40 PM PDT by Grampa3711 (I've never killed a man, but I've enjoyed reading some obituaries.)
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To: EternalVigilance; All

“Don’t stay home. We are working to provide a principled conservative alternative.”

If you mean a third party...I would give it serious consideration. However, I WILL NOT vote for a libertarian because they are not conservatives. Nor will I vote for anyone third party that is not “pro-life”, “pro-morality”(opposes the continued homosexualization of culture and law), “pro-2nd”, pro-Israel, and pro-national defense (no isolationist crap or friendliness towards Islamists - and NO cuts to the military’s size or pay).

So, IF the “principled conservative” doesn’t have those views - they won’t get my vote. I don’t oppose the “tea party” view of getting the government to be under control and spend within its means....but that is not what I’m primarily about. Of course, fiscal sanity is extremely important, as is getting the economy moving. However, a booming economy while American moral values go down the toilet is useless in my thinking.


44 posted on 03/11/2012 5:54:28 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: G Larry

“I continue to contend that Newt is the only one of the 3 capable of making Obama’s campaign, pure misery.”

While I like Rick as a morale conservative, I agree that Mitt is the best at fighting Obama in a general election. Also, I know that even if Mitt loses, he will have so enviscerated Obama during the campaign that Obama will be a total lame duck before his 2nd term starts. He will be a political enuch that can’t get any of his goals done. So, it will buy 4 years of more or less neutrality.


45 posted on 03/11/2012 6:00:41 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

Well, gosh, our party meets every single one of your criteria, in detail.

http://www.selfgovernment.us/platform.html


46 posted on 03/11/2012 6:05:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: zerosix
Romney (if he is able to gain the nomination) MUST have we conservatives behind him, constantly "lighting the REAL way" as we know conservatism to be.

Nope. I'm not going to do jack for that lying psychopath.

What I need to do is keep donating to Newt's campaign. Should he get the nomination I will gladly vote for him. Should Little Ricky get it, I will pull the lever for him. I will even grudgingly pull the lever for Paul.

If Mitt gets the nomination, then Conservatives MUST write in Sarah Palin's name on the ballot.

47 posted on 03/11/2012 6:10:41 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Hulka

“This election is about more than the presidency.”

Amen!

JUST SAY NO TO B.O. [my virtual bumper sticker.]


48 posted on 03/11/2012 6:12:00 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: G Larry

“I continue to contend that Newt is the only one of the 3 capable of making Obama’s campaign, pure misery.”

Amen.


49 posted on 03/11/2012 6:13:24 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: EternalVigilance

“Then I’ll be happy to discuss the less important matters you raise.”

The “candidate” dictates to voters what he will talk about?

The candidate will not describe his qualifications?

You are pissing into the wind, with an attitude like that.


50 posted on 03/11/2012 6:47:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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