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‘Ishtar’ Lands on Mars ('John Carter' a colossal bomb for Disney, $165M writeoff, layoffs...)
NY Times ^ | 3/11/12 | BROOKS BARNES

Posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:54 PM PDT by jimbo123

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“John Carter,” a big-budget science fiction epic from Walt Disney Studios that opened Friday and flopped over the weekend. Disney spent lavishly (some say foolishly) on the movie in large part to keep one of its most important creative talents happy: Andrew Stanton, the Pixar-based director of “Finding Nemo” and “Wall-E.”

“John Carter,” which cost an estimated $350 million to make and market, and was directed by Mr. Stanton, took in about $30.6 million at the North American box office, according to Rentrak, which compiles box-office data. That result is so poor, even when factoring in about $71 million in overseas ticket sales, that analysts estimate that Disney will be forced to take a quarterly write-down of $100 million to $165 million.

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KEYWORDS: andrewstanton; barsoom; disney; edgarriceburroughs; findingnemo; hollyweird; johncarter; pixar; walle; waltdisneystudios
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Hurray for Hollyweird! This historic financial flop means massive layoffs at Disney, just in time for the election!
1 posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:58 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

We’ve already got our hands full with the bizarre alien life forms known as Democrats. Who needs a sci-fi movie?;)


2 posted on 03/11/2012 1:37:12 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: jimbo123

I’ll watch it but I just don’t pay for movies.

I saw how bad things can get when I watched a made for TV movie of the same name on SY FY this morning. It starred an aging Traci Lords and an actor I recognize but could never name.


3 posted on 03/11/2012 1:37:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123; GSP.FAN; Impy; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj

The chick that’s in it, Lynn Collins, is hot!


4 posted on 03/11/2012 1:38:05 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: cripplecreek

Traci Lords? REALLY? I gotta IMDB that.


5 posted on 03/11/2012 1:39:19 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: jimbo123

It’s sad cause these are great stories, not like the crap they put out today. I read were the critics that liked it said it was nostalgic for the old hollywood adventure movies.

I would rather watch gunga din than any matt damon adventure movie.


6 posted on 03/11/2012 1:39:57 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

The only porn queen I know of to ever have moderate success in Hollywood. She used to Co star on the “Dark Skies” series.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 1:40:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

Digitization should be reducing the costs of movies not increasing it!!!!!


8 posted on 03/11/2012 1:41:09 PM PDT by Fee
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To: jimbo123

Disney isn’t Disney any more....


9 posted on 03/11/2012 1:42:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Frank_2001

Hopefully, the next HW flop will be “Jimmuh Carter II”, coming to a polling place near you this November....


10 posted on 03/11/2012 1:43:09 PM PDT by mikrofon (He da' bomb!)
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To: cripplecreek

I met her at a Dragoncon some years back we got an autograph for this old guy I worked with. It made his month.

She was actually rather personable which I wasn’t exactly expecting.


11 posted on 03/11/2012 1:43:09 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: jimbo123

I loved the John Carter series, but I was a bit disappointed when they cast a man-child type in the Carter role. Should be a craggy, get-things-done kid of actor. So, I probably won’t go see the movie. Having read the books, I realize I am in the minority, but still, there was a reason the books were popular.


12 posted on 03/11/2012 1:43:44 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: wally_bert
She actually looks pretty good for an old girl but she's been around to say the least.

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13 posted on 03/11/2012 1:48:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

I’ve seen the ads all over the place. John Carter? I thought it was about a detective or something.


14 posted on 03/11/2012 1:48:59 PM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: Fee

You obviously don’t grasp the man hours that go into every frame of cgi. I can’t fathom how it could possibly be cheaper.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 1:49:15 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: SuzyQue

<< I loved the John Carter series, but I was a bit disappointed when they cast a man-child type in the Carter role. Should be a craggy, get-things-done kid of actor. So, I probably won’t go see the movie. Having read the books, I realize I am in the minority, but still, there was a reason the books were popular. >>

Never read them as a kid, but recently started and am enjoying them. I don’t see why Hollywood would want to use John Carter. He is a man who puruses liberty and accepts responsiblity for his actions. Totally foreign concepts in today’s America, especially in wussified Hollywood.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 1:50:38 PM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Liberty is not a Loophole)
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To: cripplecreek

That would be Antonio Sabato Jr.. I’ve seen this version. It was pretty bad.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 1:51:48 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: SuzyQue
Should be a craggy, get-things-done kid of actor.

Agreed. In the book, Carter was a civil war vet and shouldn't look like it. Even Brad Pitt could have pulled that off and if I recall, John Carter had light hair.
18 posted on 03/11/2012 1:52:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

There were people who liked the John Carter books...and I don’t have an issue with them (hell, I used to read the Robert E Howard, Conan books) but the comic book sales from when John Carter was a (Marvell?) series should have been enough to tell anyone that this movie was going to flat-out flop.

Generally speaking, this film has no audience. It’s not scifi, it’s not fantasy, it’s sort of adventure.

Doomed from the start.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 1:53:29 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

Anytime I see “SciFi Original” I look elsewhere. They are the worst. And I love science fiction.


20 posted on 03/11/2012 1:53:53 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: jimbo123

Stupid to just name the movie after somebody’s name? I mean if the movie was just called “Indiana Jones” instead of “Raiders of the Lost Ark” who would have seen it?

Who the heck is John Carter? Sure the people who read the books know....but outside of that?


21 posted on 03/11/2012 1:54:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Fee

You would think so, but the amount of computer graphics that are crammed into movies seems to require an army of SFX people each working on one particular aspect of the film. Some people are only doing backgrounds, some people are only doing one particular scene, meanwhile, there is the team that creates the SFX monsters and then hands off the 3D effect to the compositors, who add the 3D effect to the scene so that it interacts with the human actors. Lots of unnecessary bloat and self-important visual effects artists who want free healthcare and to destroy capitalism, yet they still want to be highly paid, and work 30 hours a week.


22 posted on 03/11/2012 1:55:02 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: jimbo123

I’m always wary of big budget movies released in cinematic dump months - January and February primarily, but early March isn’t exactly summer blockbuster season.

I think I’ll pass and watch my copy of Blazing Saddles again instead.


23 posted on 03/11/2012 1:55:34 PM PDT by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Movies about Mars almost aways flop. The only one that did well was Total Recall with Arnold.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 1:55:40 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: dfwgator

This bomb will be a case study in “what not to do” if you want to keep your studio job in Hollyweird.


25 posted on 03/11/2012 1:57:38 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Bialystock and Bloom could only dream of such a flop.

26 posted on 03/11/2012 2:00:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: jimbo123
Movies about Mars almost aways flop. The only one that did well was Total Recall with Arnold.

Hollywood spends a lot of time doing the same thing over and over again. One I watched recently that was very different was "Pandorum". The critics didn't like it but I found it to be very original with a great plot twist at the end.
27 posted on 03/11/2012 2:00:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

I read the John Carter on Mars series about 30 years ago. I absolutely loved them. I always thought it would be wonderful if they could make a movie about them, but I also knew that it would be impossible to do the stories justice at the (then) state of the art effects. So I’ve been waiting 30 years for this to finally happen.

I think Disney did a wonderful job of realizing the first book, Princess of Mars. It might be a little corny, but you have to remember that these stories were written more than 50 years ago and copied many, many times.

The characters and creatures and Barsoomian world were *exactly* like I pictured them from the books. Very well done, in my opinion. Captured the spirit of the books to a T.


28 posted on 03/11/2012 2:01:50 PM PDT by pjd
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To: jimbo123

One more reason I have netflix....patience pays off and it’s only eight bucks per month.


29 posted on 03/11/2012 2:02:25 PM PDT by ak267
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Most of the “Scifi Original” have sucky editing, and are low budget.. stupid NBC


30 posted on 03/11/2012 2:02:55 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: dfwgator

Stupid to name it after Jimmy Carter’s other trailer trash brother.


31 posted on 03/11/2012 2:03:11 PM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: dfwgator; Krankor

It shows a terrible lack of confidence to run away from the very premise of your movie in your title. The original title John Carter of Mars is a good title...different and intriguing. Just John Carter...who’s that and what’s the movie about? It’s sort of like Republicans trying to appeal to moderates. We have a unique brand here that could get attention and get people interested, but we’re going to run away from who we are and hide it in order to try to appeal to the type of people who don’t like us. You don’t make a sci-fi movie and then market it is non-sci-fi in the fear that it will only appeal to sci-fi fans. You make a movie that sci-fi fans are so enthusiastic about that other people get curious and wonder what all the fuss is about.


32 posted on 03/11/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: JediJones

Imagine if Star Wars was called “Luke Skywalker”.


33 posted on 03/11/2012 2:05:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: jimbo123

But at least it should be good fodder for MST3K.


34 posted on 03/11/2012 2:06:30 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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It’s a real pity. I read all the John Carter books when I was younger, and you could say that I’ve been waiting all these years for someone to make the movie. I’ll probably go see it anyway, mainly because I have enjoyed other movies that were panned by the critics in the past and my grandsons really want to go. Even though I will acknowledge that Dune and Starship Troopers were terrible movies, I have enjoyed watching them both several times.


35 posted on 03/11/2012 2:07:22 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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The ‘bomb’ this weekend was Eddie Murphy’s new movie...0% at Rotten Tomatoes...0%. Carter got 50%, for crying out loud.


36 posted on 03/11/2012 2:07:22 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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37 posted on 03/11/2012 2:09:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

I think I’d prefer to watch “Flight to Mars” (1951) instead. Have a VHS tape of it somewhere around here.

Anyway, between the rampant degeneracy and the smug Obama-worship, I’ve become so repelled by Hollyweird that I actually derive enjoyment from news that their products turn out to be financial bombs. God, I hate them with a white-hot passion.


38 posted on 03/11/2012 2:09:05 PM PDT by greene66
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To: jimbo123

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/john_carter/


39 posted on 03/11/2012 2:09:47 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: GOPsterinMA

I was looking at pics of her ,she has a butter face....


40 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:15 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: SuzyQue

A Harrison Ford Raiders type actor might have worked for the role.

If they wanted to go more serious, someone like Russell Crowe who has done a great job with period pieces but he is too old.

Taylor Kitsch is 30 years old. He did a pretty good job with Remy in Wolverine. His dialogue in the previews is painful to watch. Kind of like Keanu Reeves as Harker in Dracula.


41 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:30 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Carson Napier of Venus was another good Burroughs series.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SuzyQue

A Harrison Ford Raiders type actor might have worked for the role.

If they wanted to go more serious, someone like Russell Crowe who has done a great job with period pieces but he is too old.

Taylor Kitsch is 30 years old. He did a pretty good job with Remy in Wolverine. His dialogue in the previews is painful to watch. Kind of like Keanu Reeves as Harker in Dracula.


43 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:40 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: who knows what evil?

The MSM focuses on the budget of a movie too much. By their logic, you could have the #1 movie of the year be a bomb if it made a billion dollars but cost 2 billion to produce. The understood definition of a “bomb” is a movie no one goes to see, not one that just cost too much to make.

Last year, Mars Needs Moms was a bomb. It made $7 million opening weekend and $21 million total.

John Carter made $30 million in its opening weekend. That’s not a bomb, but it does mean the budget should have been half of what it was to be profitable. Prince of Persia opened with the exact same and ended up with $90 million, but made an unusually high amount overseas. These are B movies that were given A budgets. Anyone should have known this material shouldn’t justify this kind of budget, but it appears this was a vanity project as the first live-action movie for one of their top Pixar creators. Now that it’s out of his system, Disney will surely be happy to have him return to animation.


44 posted on 03/11/2012 2:16:02 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: exhaustguy

Agreed with your first two ideas.

And, “Taylor Kitsch”? Please, how could that ever work? “Taylor”? “Kitsch”? Can’t make that into a John Carter.


45 posted on 03/11/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: cripplecreek

Ehrmmm... I see no reference to her (Traci Lords) in either of the two Dark Skies databases scanned thus far. Perhaps you were thinking of some other strumpet?


46 posted on 03/11/2012 2:17:13 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: exhaustguy

You guys are all criticizing this movie without having seen it. Basing everything on what some New York Times movie critic said.

How idiotic is that?


47 posted on 03/11/2012 2:18:00 PM PDT by pjd
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To: exhaustguy

Nah, Russel Crowe has douchebagged out, he’s done.

They should have gone with Sam Worthington, the new Russel Crowe.


48 posted on 03/11/2012 2:19:12 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: jimbo123

In Burrough’s book, Carter returned to Earth and made a fortune in pharmaceutical sales.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oldadverts/4420231081/


49 posted on 03/11/2012 2:19:28 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: JediJones
The understood definition of a “bomb” is a movie no one goes to see, not one that just cost too much to make.

Exactly. This movie may do quite well overseas...

50 posted on 03/11/2012 2:19:38 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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