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‘Ishtar’ Lands on Mars ('John Carter' a colossal bomb for Disney, $165M writeoff, layoffs...)
NY Times ^ | 3/11/12 | BROOKS BARNES

Posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:54 PM PDT by jimbo123

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“John Carter,” a big-budget science fiction epic from Walt Disney Studios that opened Friday and flopped over the weekend. Disney spent lavishly (some say foolishly) on the movie in large part to keep one of its most important creative talents happy: Andrew Stanton, the Pixar-based director of “Finding Nemo” and “Wall-E.”

“John Carter,” which cost an estimated $350 million to make and market, and was directed by Mr. Stanton, took in about $30.6 million at the North American box office, according to Rentrak, which compiles box-office data. That result is so poor, even when factoring in about $71 million in overseas ticket sales, that analysts estimate that Disney will be forced to take a quarterly write-down of $100 million to $165 million.

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KEYWORDS: andrewstanton; barsoom; disney; edgarriceburroughs; findingnemo; hollyweird; johncarter; pixar; walle; waltdisneystudios
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To: dfwgator

Even that would have been a little better since it’s a unique name that clearly identifies the movie as sci-fi/fantasy of some sort. But a generic name like John Carter doesn’t communicate any useful information about the movie at all. If you’re going to use a proper name for a title that isn’t a well-known character, it needs to be a unique, fictional-sounding name like Forrest Gump. For a movie like this or Star Wars, though, a single name diminishes the movie no matter what because these are movies about whole worlds and large casts of characters, not just one man’s biography.


51 posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:13 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: jimbo123

Saw it last night, it was much better than I had expected from the Dizzy Co.

The length of some of his leaps were a bit too much, and we now know that Mars gravity is not spectacularly less than Earth, but it was nice to see a movie for entertainment without some heavy-handed eco-nut message!
There is a bit of anti-war theme (Post civil-war disgust), but it is balanced by his accepting the necessity of the fight thrust upon him.

It was also nice that the manner in which “he” travelled to Barsoom was explained, something too often left out of newer stories.


52 posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:37 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Utilizer

I had the wrong series. She co starred in the “First Wave” series.


53 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

And Pellucidar. There was a really awful “At the Earth’s Core” made back in the 70’s with Doug McClure and Peter Cushing.


54 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:17 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: jimbo123
Maybe I'm missing something. I thought John Carter was a great movie, entertaining and a good story. The special effects were believable and aliens well designed. I went to see it because the critics panned it. I don't see this film bombing IMO.
55 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:30 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: longfellow

IT had potential.

On of my fave films as a kid was Robinson Crusoe On Mars


56 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:42 PM PDT by mylife
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To: jimbo123

Most movies flop. And most flops don’t do a hundred million domestic/foreign on opening weekend.

Disney will lose a hundred fifty million on John Carter in the end.

Not a layoff scenario.


57 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:59 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: cripplecreek

John is from Mars, Carson is from Venus?


58 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:59 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: JediJones

Carson Napier was headed for Mars but crash landed on Venus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Napier


59 posted on 03/11/2012 2:23:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pjd; All

agreed. Saw it yesterday in iMax 3D with my son, and we had a blast. FX, story line, action, villains and bad guys, battle scenes - i think this is Hollywood going after a studio that doesn’t toe the party line.

will buy with it comes out in blu-ray


60 posted on 03/11/2012 2:23:54 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: dfwgator

Hey! That gives me an idea.

Hitler on Mars. It CAN’T MISS!


61 posted on 03/11/2012 2:24:11 PM PDT by DManA
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To: cripplecreek
The only porn queen I know of to ever have moderate success in Hollywood. She used to Co star on the “Dark Skies” series.

Charlie Sheen's old squeeze, Ginger Lynn [Allen], did a few mainstream things.

62 posted on 03/11/2012 2:24:35 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: pjd

You notice I did not criticize the movie. I said that the dialogue in the previews was painful to watch, and it did remind me of a 21st century person not a 19th century person.

I thought Kitsch did a pretty good job as Remy. As far as I can tell, we now have Remy on Mars not John Carter of Mars. Given my love for Burroughs, I will probably crack open the old piggybank this week and see one of my allotted three movies of the year. I might have to increase that number because I am looking forward to the final Batman movie, the new Spider-Man, and the Avengers movie as well. Also Hunger Games because of the kids.


63 posted on 03/11/2012 2:24:49 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: All
Space Rangers~ King Of Mars
64 posted on 03/11/2012 2:24:54 PM PDT by mylife
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To: jimbo123

Lets hope Disney/ABC’s “GCB” in on the next ‘flight’ to Mars.

I wonder if Walt would be appalled by much of what his namesake company hat wrought?


65 posted on 03/11/2012 2:26:03 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: DManA
Hey! That gives me an idea. Hitler on Mars. It CAN’T MISS!

It could be the sequel to "Jews in Space"


66 posted on 03/11/2012 2:28:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: DManA
Hitler on Mars. It CAN’T MISS!

Patience. Next month? 'Iron Sky'...it has it all...Nazis, the Moon, and Sarah Palin...sort of.

67 posted on 03/11/2012 2:28:53 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: mylife

“Robinson Crusoe On Mars”

That was a great movie - demonstrating that having the best or most spectacular special effects don’t really matter if you have a good story and good actors.


68 posted on 03/11/2012 2:30:38 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: dfwgator
if the movie was just called “Indiana Jones” instead of “Raiders of the Lost Ark” who would have seen it?

Exactly correct! This is one of those instances where a proper title could have meant the difference between a marketing coup and a total flop. Nobody except for nerds would have any clue who John Carter was. I only know about the movie because of the YouTube advertisement. If you put Peter Griffin in charge of marketing he would have called it "Rebel Guy and Porn Chick Do It" and it would have been a blockbuster.

69 posted on 03/11/2012 2:31:09 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: dfwgator
if the movie was just called “Indiana Jones” instead of “Raiders of the Lost Ark” who would have seen it?

Exactly correct! This is one of those instances where a proper title could have meant the difference between a marketing coup and a total flop. Nobody except for nerds would have any clue who John Carter was. I only know about the movie because of the YouTube advertisement. If you put Peter Griffin in charge of marketing he would have called it "Rebel Guy and Porn Chick Do It" and it would have been a blockbuster.

70 posted on 03/11/2012 2:31:21 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Sirius Lee

I thought it was a prequel to the Sylvester Stallone movie, “Get Carter”.


71 posted on 03/11/2012 2:32:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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Instead of promoting “Good Christian Bitches”, perhaps the studio could generate some cash promoting “Good Disney Bitches”.


72 posted on 03/11/2012 2:32:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
I’ve seen this version. It was pretty bad.

Roger that. I had the misfortune of seeing this one, too. It stank on ice. Shame. I devoured all of ERB's works as a kid. Hate to see it wind up like this.

73 posted on 03/11/2012 2:36:03 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: dfwgator
"Get Carter" - Ha!

Or maybe the backstory to Mr. Potter's banker sidekick from "It's a Wonderful Life".

74 posted on 03/11/2012 2:36:21 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: jimbo123

Amazingly even huge flops don’t seem to keep the same actors and directors from being hired again and again.


75 posted on 03/11/2012 2:38:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I have a movie that Traci is in!


76 posted on 03/11/2012 2:38:29 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: GSP.FAN

uh . . what’s a “butter face”?


77 posted on 03/11/2012 2:39:17 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: jimbo123

The same actors and directors and others will be hired for the next big movie too


78 posted on 03/11/2012 2:44:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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John Carter
79 posted on 03/11/2012 2:47:16 PM PDT by mylife
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To: jimbo123

Traci Lords, yet no mention of the 7th planet from the sun. Must be some kind of record.


80 posted on 03/11/2012 2:48:00 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I think that special effects tend to eclipse a good story to its detriment.


81 posted on 03/11/2012 2:49:08 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Twinkie

Nice body “but her face” is bad...


82 posted on 03/11/2012 2:49:42 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: dfwgator; JediJones
John Connor's Parents
83 posted on 03/11/2012 2:50:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paparazzi mob senior citizen mistaking her for Lindsay Lohan (True Story))
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To: pjd
I read the John Carter on Mars series about 30 years ago. I absolutely loved them.

I'm with you ... I'm sure I'll greatly enjoy this movie ... flop or not! :)

84 posted on 03/11/2012 2:50:50 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke

I’m the same way, I’ll enjoy it but I won’t pay theater prices for it.


85 posted on 03/11/2012 2:59:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

Too bad. I loved the books when I was young.


86 posted on 03/11/2012 3:00:08 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: cripplecreek

Sir, YOU ROCK!


87 posted on 03/11/2012 3:02:47 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: cripplecreek

Ah. Found it. Thanks, mate.


88 posted on 03/11/2012 3:03:20 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: longfellow
Ok, well, I'll pi$$ off some Freepers, but I saw "Act of Valor," and thought it was sadly lacking in story. Camera work was great, and the Seals were pretty good actors. But there was no story. Rescuing a hostage is a scene, not a story.

The gunboats with the miniguns were cool as heck, though.

89 posted on 03/11/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: jimbo123

Sad that people choose to propagandize their children with environmentalist pap like ‘The Lorax’...


90 posted on 03/11/2012 3:04:34 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Fee
Actually the opposite is true.

Digital effects, especially with digitally animated movies like Toy Story or movies like John Carter that have so many effects that they might as well be an animated movie, require huge investments of cash. You have to pay a very large number of extremely talented people large amounts of money to design very time consuming effects using very expensive machines and technology. The process from start to finish is several years, not months like shooting a traditional film.

Also, if you're using top voice talent as well like most animated and effects driven movies do, you have to fork over big bucks to them too. It's exponentially cheaper to pay Willem Dafoe to stand in front of the camera in a costume and act than to pay him to voice act for a digital character that takes dozens of people months to design and days per second of film to render and complete.

Digital effects take much longer hence their greater cost. Digital effects require a lot of very gifted people working for long periods of time, and they don't come cheap.

91 posted on 03/11/2012 3:05:02 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: who knows what evil?
Sad that people choose to propagandize their children with environmentalist pap like ‘The Lorax’...

"Happy Feet" was even worse.

92 posted on 03/11/2012 3:05:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: who knows what evil?; DManA

In watching the “Iron Sky” trailer I noted the “Sarah Palin-US President”-esque character, and couldn’t help thinking that although the Euros probably viewed her derisively, when the movie makes it to the US that character may turn out to be the best thing in the whole movie... /g


93 posted on 03/11/2012 3:08:54 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: jimbo123
Part of the problem is that since so many people have borrowed from it, from Conan the Barbarian and Superman, through Star Wars and Dune, everything looks familiar. Viewing the movie is an exercise in Dejah Vu.
94 posted on 03/11/2012 3:09:23 PM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: jimbo123

My biggest problem with this flick is that, unless you want to go at 10 O’Clock (AM or PM), you gotta go to either the 3D or the XD version, each of which has a $3-$4 “up charge” attached to it.

For matinee or Costco prices ($7.50), it might be worth it. “Regular price” ($11-$15), not so much.


95 posted on 03/11/2012 3:10:37 PM PDT by ssaftler (Obama 2008: "Hope and Change" Obama 2012: "Excuses and Blame")
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To: jimbo123

Bush’s fault, anyway!


96 posted on 03/11/2012 3:10:49 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SuzyQue

I went and saw the 2D version last night. I knew I had to go see it after the critics panned it.

The first bit on earth I was not impressed with. But man it picked up right after he woke up on Mars.

If you’re a fan of the books then you know they condensed the first three books into the Movie - Princess, Gods and Warlord of Mars.

If you’re not too picky about that you’ll see they did a pretty good job.

I’ll give it a thumbs up as a popcorn cruncher and will purchase the DVD when it comes out.


97 posted on 03/11/2012 3:10:57 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: LS

Uh-oh...now ya done it.


98 posted on 03/11/2012 3:10:57 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: jimbo123

Watched the trailer. Dejah Thoris appeared to be overdressed... /g


99 posted on 03/11/2012 3:12:13 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: jimbo123
I'm seeing pretty good user reviews on Yahoo. If I had been picking a movie, I usually trust their user reviews, they almost always go against what the hollywood type say about a flick.

OTOH, the poor numbers may be just an extension of Barry's "vision" of "America is back" (to the 1930's.)

100 posted on 03/11/2012 3:15:15 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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