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115-year-old electric car gets same 40 miles to the charge as Chevy Volt
The Daily Caller ^ | 3/11/12

Posted on 03/11/2012 10:59:59 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

Meet the Roberts electric car. Built in 1896, it gets a solid 40 miles to the charge — exactly the mileage Chevrolet advertises for the Volt, the highly touted $31,645 electric car General Motors CEO Dan Akerson called “not a step forward, but a leap forward.”

The executives at Chevrolet can rest easy for now. Since the Roberts was constructed in an age before Henry Ford’s mass production, the 115-year-old electric car is one of a kind.

But don’t let the car’s advanced age let you think it isn’t tough: Its present-day owner, who prefers not to be named, told The Daily Caller it still runs like a charm, and has even completed the roughly 60-mile London to Brighton Vintage Car Race.

If you didn’t know there are electric cars as old as the Roberts, you aren’t alone. Prior to today’s electric v. gas skirmishes, there was another battle: electric v. gas v. steam. This contest was fought in the market place, and history shows gas gave electric and steam an even more thorough whooping than Coca-Cola gave Moxie.

But while the Roberts electric car clearly lacked GPS, power steering and, yes, air bags, the distance it could achieve on a charge, when compared with its modern equivalent, provides a telling example of the slow pace of the electric car.

Driven by a tiller instead of a wheel, the Roberts car was built seven years before the Wright brothers’ first flight, 12 years before the Ford Model T, 16 years before Chevrolet was founded and 114 years before the first Chevy Volt was delivered to a customer.

As the New York Times reported September 5, “For General Motors and the Obama administration, the new Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid represents the automotive future, the culmination of decades of high-tech research financed partly with federal dollars.”

Like “green technology’s” most powerful proponent, President Barack Obama, the 1896 Roberts was made in Chicago. Obama, who supports the $7,500 tax credit for the Volt, is not fazed by its 40-mile electric limit — he only drove the car 10 feet.


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1 posted on 03/11/2012 11:00:05 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa; NavVet

This is sure to arouse liberal whackjobs!


2 posted on 03/11/2012 11:04:38 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Impala64ssa
It's why we don't have windmills, too. UNRELIABLE.

This tells us our technical genius' are $3 bills.

3 posted on 03/11/2012 11:05:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Impala64ssa

What happened to that gm electric car from the eighties?


4 posted on 03/11/2012 11:06:14 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Impala64ssa

I have been saying this all along!
There have been improvements.
Wet cells cause corrosion, they weigh a ton and new battery’s can deliver amperage much faster than before, but electric cars are basically where the were over 100 years ago


5 posted on 03/11/2012 11:08:03 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Impala64ssa

Obama said he’s going to get a Chevy Volt in five years, when he’s no longer president, and he’s allowed to drive his own car again.

If all goes well, he will be able to drive a Chevy Volt a lot sooner than that!

On a more serious note, has electric car battery and power technology not advanced in the past 115 years? The Volt has the same range as the old electric cars of the Gay ‘90s?

It’s hard to believe that technology hasn’t advanced, and that the liberals are all in on this old technology as the solution to global warming and God knows what else.


6 posted on 03/11/2012 11:10:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Impala64ssa

I swear I saw a car from 1897 called the Maxwell that was electric
That performed on par with modern technology.
It didnt go as fast but it went just as far on a charge

I can find nothing of the Maxwell on the web maybe it was a different name.

There were hundreds of electric car company’s back then.
They all went bust because the internal combustion engine is more efficient


7 posted on 03/11/2012 11:14:05 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There have been huge advances on amp delivery but not on range.

I'll be honest with you, electrics can scream now and there's no gearbox they just shit and git.
They will light up the tires, but they have no range and you cant "Fill them up" in 5 mins

They aint practical.

8 posted on 03/11/2012 11:19:32 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife; NavVet
There were hundreds of electric car company’s back then. They all went bust because the internal combustion engine is more efficient

Some of our FR true believes would call you a blasphemer for saying that ;-)

9 posted on 03/11/2012 11:20:19 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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Another reason electric cars are fun today is rare earth magnets.
They can deliver some serious torque.

They just have no range and they take forever to “fill up”


10 posted on 03/11/2012 11:23:28 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Dryman

GM EV1 - dicussed in documentary “Who killed the electric car?”

GM crushed all of them in Arizona. Weird rule in early 2000’s forced all owners to sell back. Strange that media never discusses this, right?


11 posted on 03/11/2012 11:23:53 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Grizzled Bear

IT is what it is.
I argue with engineers all the time who don’t get it


12 posted on 03/11/2012 11:24:46 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Grizzled Bear

I think Rudolph Diesel was on the right track


13 posted on 03/11/2012 11:26:40 PM PDT by mylife
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To: All

Everybody in America has a garage full of battery powered tools with dead battery’s or a lap top with dead battery’s.

We all know they suck. they are for short term work


14 posted on 03/11/2012 11:30:23 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Impala64ssa

I will not buy any Government motors car till the union pays back the money they owe us. When are they going to release the algae version of this over priced golf cart?


15 posted on 03/11/2012 11:32:34 PM PDT by Jahoohio
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Tractors have been around forever.
They do the work.
Now Mercedes has blue technology that takes away all the down side of diesels.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 11:33:44 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Impala64ssa

Electric cars have been the future for 115 years now!


17 posted on 03/11/2012 11:39:20 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I never understood how an engineer could think
“Lets use hydrocarbons to make electricity, send it down the line step down the voltage, convert it to DC, store it in a battery and think they were gaining energy.”


18 posted on 03/11/2012 11:41:19 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Post Toasties
I want my flying car!


19 posted on 03/11/2012 11:43:17 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

IMO, the biggest draw for the IC engine is the fuel which powers it. One cannot carry a gen set for the electrics,but a few jerry cans of fuel and good to go most anywhere at anytime, just fire it up and go.


20 posted on 03/11/2012 11:50:19 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (One, thinks he was great prez)
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To: Impala64ssa

Chevy Volt gets same mileage as 115 year old technology.

(fixed)


21 posted on 03/11/2012 11:51:00 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Grizzled Bear

one of the things that drives me crazy about libtards is they hate the notion of an oilwell scaring the pristine land, so the propose a 5 million acre solar array that produces 1/4 of the energy.
They upset the natural landscape on a HUGE scale, they get 1/4 of the output AND you have to keep traditional energy sources in place to cover the 75% outage

How is this better?


22 posted on 03/11/2012 11:51:37 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Dryman
There were never any owners of EV1.

They were all leased.

GM determined they were unsafe and had them crushed.

“Who killed the electric car” is Left-wing Propaganda.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 11:53:09 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Sea Parrot

Diesel is even better.

Dump french fry grease in it, boil down pork lard it dont care
Catfish fat, nut oil what ever


24 posted on 03/11/2012 11:54:17 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Grizzled Bear

I am sure the Roberts car meets all current safety regulations and has all the luxuries of the Volt.

Plus has a range extender that can have you travel from LA to NYC.


25 posted on 03/11/2012 11:55:23 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Impala64ssa; All

I imagine that those 1890s cars were a lot lighter than today’s models. When I was a kid we had a 1928 Model A Ford, it was definitely lighter than a Ford today.


26 posted on 03/12/2012 12:19:29 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Impala64ssa

27 posted on 03/12/2012 12:21:08 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Dilbert San Diego
It’s hard to believe that technology hasn’t advanced, and that the liberals are all in on this old technology as the solution to global warming and God knows what else.

Oh, the liberals are in on it, for a variety of reasons.

But the bottom line is that huge sums of our money are being channeled to people for yet another 'green' boondoggle, and the only real 'green' involved is what is getting skimmed, kicked back, and raked in.

Solar and Wind energy are proving to be the same sort of scam, and the Looting of AmericaTM continues...

28 posted on 03/12/2012 12:21:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Impala64ssa

the F-35 has the same range and payload as the Stuka (Ju-87). It does have a certain advantage in range and accuracy.


29 posted on 03/12/2012 12:24:46 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: rawhide
Driven by a tiller instead of a wheel
30 posted on 03/12/2012 12:25:20 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: mylife

31 posted on 03/12/2012 12:51:25 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Yes, but what is the maximum speed of a Roberts Electric Car? And can it even go up a hill with less horsepower than most hand-pushed lawnmowers? And how far could it go on a charge in 1896? It seems rather unlikely that it still has the original batteries.


32 posted on 03/12/2012 1:45:45 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: rawhide

I still say steam is the way to go...we could burn dried algae...or cow poops.


33 posted on 03/12/2012 2:11:04 AM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: Dilbert San Diego

To be fair, the Volt probably has a lot more regulated baggage on board, which should count for some sort of improvement in performance. Then again, there’s that whole catching-on-fire thing...


34 posted on 03/12/2012 2:22:37 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

Wasn’t GM getting more than 40 with their car n the early 90s?


35 posted on 03/12/2012 2:29:40 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: donmeaker
No it doesn't. Stuka range about 300 miles with bombs. F-35 about 1200 miles. Payload Stuka about 1500lbs max. F-35 up to 4,000lbs. How long will it take you to drive the Volt from New Orleans to Atlanta? Stopping about every 35 miles to “refuel”. And “refueling takes about 30 minutes or longer. Start on Monday and you may make Atlanta by Tuesday night.
36 posted on 03/12/2012 2:40:03 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: Impala64ssa

I suppose the Roberts will run on its gas engine once it gets past the 40 mile electric limit?

What? It can’t?


37 posted on 03/12/2012 2:51:53 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: mylife

Jack Benny drove a Maxwell, which eventually became Chrysler. I don’t know if they ever had an electric car though.


38 posted on 03/12/2012 2:57:05 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: Impala64ssa

Ha, ha, ha! We told you so! The incompetent do not know that they are incompetent — Democrats all!


39 posted on 03/12/2012 3:12:48 AM PDT by olezip
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To: gigster

Just think. If Maxwell stayed in business and started to build weird looking microcars, they could have built the Maxwell Smart.


40 posted on 03/12/2012 3:22:44 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Impala64ssa

Electricity is an old fuel


41 posted on 03/12/2012 3:49:00 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: mylife

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_automobile


42 posted on 03/12/2012 4:01:05 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Appropriate. “Would you believe.........40 miles to a charge?”


43 posted on 03/12/2012 4:07:02 AM PDT by wbill
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To: mylife
There were hundreds of electric car company's back then. They all went bust because the internal combustion engine is more efficient.

Just so, the market place made that decision decades ago.

Early Electric Automobile Manufacturers

Around 1900 the American Automobile future was confused. Would electric, steam or gasoline automobiles dominate? One of the earliest and best known American Electric Automobile was the Waverley. The advertisement on the lower right stated it was "By Far The Best Electric On The Market." The Early American Electric Automobiles were not only light and safe but noiseless, odorless, clean, durable, comfortable and simple in operation. Popular American Electric Automobiles include the Baker, Bailey, Chapman, Rausch & Lang, Waverly and Woods.

American Electric Automobile Name / Manufacturers Name

Go to http://www.american-automobiles.com/Electric-Automobile-Manufacturers.html to learn more about these American Automobile Manufacturers!

Ajax - Ajax Motor Vehicle Co. New York, NY 1901-1903     A light electric runabout, 2 passenger, with bicycle type wheels.

American Electric - American Electric Vehicle Co. Chicago, IL 1899-1902

American Juvenile Electric - American Metal Wheel & Auto Co. Toledo, OH 1907     An electrically powered car with seats for 2 children only.

Argo - Argo Electric Vehicle Co. Saginaw, MI 1912-1914    This electric car used a 60 volt system and reliable Westinghouse motors.

Autoette - Autoette Electric Car Co. Long Beach, CA 1950s    A small electric car used in retirement communities.

Automatic - Automatic Electric Transmission Co. Buffalo, NY 1921    A small electric car that claimed a range of 60 miles and 25 MPH.

The above is a list of only the A's, go to the link for many, many more.

44 posted on 03/12/2012 4:18:39 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Impala64ssa

Ping for later.


45 posted on 03/12/2012 4:20:07 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Impala64ssa

With out doubt, the miles to charge rate was made in a GM meeting after the rate of the Roberts was brought up.

There is of course a fallacy in the story or at least failure to report. Although the rate of charge was the same, there was no consideration of time and speed. The Roberts likely did not exceed 15 mph.


46 posted on 03/12/2012 4:25:26 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: mylife
I never understood how an engineer could think

"Lets use hydrocarbons to make electricity, send it down the line step down the voltage, convert it to DC, store it in a battery and think they were gaining energy."

Both empty containers potentially storing energy. Useless until charged from an external source.

A five gallon Jeep type empty gas can costs about $50, the new Volt/Leaf/Fiskar battery costs $10k and up. Any body can use a hand calculator to figure out the return on investment. Only those poor deluded souls that have "Emotional feel good" factor keys will find the electrics the better deal.

47 posted on 03/12/2012 4:33:06 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: mylife

48 posted on 03/12/2012 4:40:56 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Impala64ssa
CleanCar
49 posted on 03/12/2012 4:45:42 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Dryman
What happened to that gm electric car from the eighties?

You mean the "Impact"? Yes, they actually named the car for a crash. When they realized how stupid the name was, they changed it to "EV1."

What happened to the car? In 1990 (22 long years ago), our brilliant "California Air Resources Board" passed a mandate for zero-emissions vehicles. BIG GOVT mandated that the seven major automobile suppliers in the United States offer electric vehicles in order to continue sales of their gasoline powered vehicles in California. Nearly 5000 electric cars were designed and manufactured by GM, Toyota, Honda, Ford, Nissan, and Chrysler. After technical problems and clear lack of consumer interest, the cars were destroyed or donated to museums.

Don't forget...BIG GOVT knows what's best for you. The "wisdom of markets" be damned.

50 posted on 03/12/2012 4:53:15 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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