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Rick Santorum Advises America to Apologize for Afghanistan Shooting
ABC OTUS News ^ | March 12, 2012 | Shushannah Walshe

Posted on 03/12/2012 12:49:55 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

BILOXI, Miss. - Rick Santorum said today that if a U.S. soldier shot and killed 16 civilians, as U.S. officials have suggested, then the Afghan people deserve an apology.

After an energy conference here, Santorum told reporters that the incident needs to be investigated further, calling it a "horrible situation."

"If it turns out to be the case that this person did a horrible wrong and it was a deliberate act, a deliberate act by an American soldier and that is something we should clearly say was something that we should apologize for," Santorum said. "That it's not a mistake, it wasn't something that was inadvertent. This was something that was deliberately done by an American soldier to innocent civilians. It's something that the proper authorities should apologize for, for not doing their job in making sure that something like this wouldn't happen, something like this should not happen in our military period."

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To: Junior_G

They didn’t deserve an apology for the koran burning but they do have real reason to be upset about this. Personally I think everybody would be happiest if we were to get out of that hell hole altogether.


51 posted on 03/12/2012 1:26:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
Personally I think everybody would be happiest if we were to get out of that hell hole altogether.

Amen.

52 posted on 03/12/2012 1:27:35 PM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Nervous Tick
I have had enough of Politicians using our troops who are bleeding on the battlefield, as pawns to gain self centered political points.

Especially little wimps like Santorum who have never held a weapon of war in their hands in their life, or have ever served in combat! Yet they know all about it. At least that is what they will tell you, if you are as ignorant about it as they are.

53 posted on 03/12/2012 1:29:13 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We get permission, and then we burn a book. Word leaks, and 9 of our GI’s get killed as a result.

One of our guys loses it and goes out and shoots up a town.

I haven’t seen ANYTHING yet, ANYWHERE about WHY he did it, but I’ll bet the ranch that these two things are connected.


54 posted on 03/12/2012 1:31:08 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If the guy is sorry then he should apologize.


55 posted on 03/12/2012 1:31:48 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cometh the hour, cometh the man. NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: altura
He should be brought back, tried, and put in a mental institution as he obviously cracked.

I dunno about being tried, an evaluation maybe to make sure he is okay and certainly all of the help he needs to gain his sanity back from the unspeakable hell he's been put through.

I have a real problem with asking our Military to do what they do, and then punish or second guess them when they break, or make the wrong split second decision.

They are only human and I would never dare to presume what it is like to walk in their shoes.

"War is about breaking things and killing people"

~~The Maha Rushie

56 posted on 03/12/2012 1:34:40 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

>> I have had enough of Politicians using our troops who are bleeding on the battlefield, as pawns to gain self centered political points. Especially little wimps like Santorum who have never held a weapon of war in their hands in their life, or have ever served in combat!

Roger that.

I’m also sick of amateur politicians who haven’t learned to just STFU and say “no comment” to gotcha questions instead of shooting from the lip with the answer they think the media wants to hear. What part of “aid and comfort to the enemy” don’t they get??!?


57 posted on 03/12/2012 1:34:48 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think ABC owes an apology to Rick Santorum for that headline.


58 posted on 03/12/2012 1:35:19 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Thank you. Have a great day. Can’t wait for the forum in about an hour or so. So glad that both Newt and Rick are part of this. Glad Romney is too afraid to attend and the kook decided not to go. This could end up being the best one.


59 posted on 03/12/2012 1:36:20 PM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shs70QXIPs8&sns=em


60 posted on 03/12/2012 1:39:49 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cometh the hour, cometh the man. NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

ROE fail.


61 posted on 03/12/2012 1:49:47 PM PDT by varina davis (A real American patriot -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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To: Nervous Tick
Smart Statesmen like Newt Gingrich, have learned to keep their mouths shut until all the facts are in first. Even then, they carefully choose their words to avoid an incendiary reaction. We don't need any amateurs like Santorum, anywhere close to the title of Commander In Chief!
62 posted on 03/12/2012 1:51:55 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Psalm 144; Las Vegas Ron

This.

We should send congress over there with Daisy Red Rider BB guns.

Then I will feel that they have done a job worth doing.


63 posted on 03/12/2012 1:52:12 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain. FUBO)
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To: napscoordinator

Seems that someone has flipped your pancake and broken your egg.


64 posted on 03/12/2012 1:52:19 PM PDT by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113

LOL! I was thinking of frying up some bacon to go along with it!


65 posted on 03/12/2012 1:55:49 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

LOL!


66 posted on 03/12/2012 1:57:50 PM PDT by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; All
Everyone knows I am not a Santorum supporter, but he is right on this one.

We should apologize at the same news conference where we announce our withdraw over the next 60 days.

67 posted on 03/12/2012 2:01:05 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: apillar
One thing I do find sort of sadly amusing about the entire affair. A soldier accidentally burns a few Korans, the entire country goes bat sh*t crazy and riots. A soldier kills a bunch of Afghan women and children, the country yawns (so far). Those folks sure have their priorities screwed up.

The Korans in question had been desecrated by being scribbled in (by Moose), and while burning is not the "preferred" way it is still considered respectful. Just because a Moose did not touch the match to them, however, it generated a riot.

68 posted on 03/12/2012 2:03:35 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper
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To: Junior_G

There are so many bogus “sorries” being uttered by the Obama administration that if an occasion for a real one should come along, nobody can tell the difference.


69 posted on 03/12/2012 2:03:49 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper
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To: Utmost Certainty
"I don’t think anybody should be talking about the prospect of apologies until the facts of the case are laid clear."

You mean like when this crazy dude kicked in the door and killed unarmed women and children? Or the part about when he then burned the bodies?

70 posted on 03/12/2012 2:06:36 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: parksstp

Chris Wallace grilled Gingrich on this point on Fox News Sunday and later spoke with McCain who seemed to think that under Newt’s plan to leave, Al-Quaeda will regain a foothold and more in Afghanistan that was the base for the 9/11 attacks.


71 posted on 03/12/2012 2:10:34 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Mariner
I guess we should apologize for fighting a war in Europe and all the documented atrocities that went on during it also.

America does NOT apologize for fighting for liberty, or for sending our men and women over there to die, in order to free them from Islamic tyranny.

But I will say, you sound like a Paultard. Cut and run, to let Islamic rule engulf the World.

72 posted on 03/12/2012 2:11:26 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: cripplecreek

Sixteen human beings is at a whole different level than a couple of Korans being burned.

That being said, the facts of the case are not yet in, and the Left is spinning this furiously in their typical “Crazed Militaristic Killers” paradigm.


73 posted on 03/12/2012 2:12:28 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: xzins

If there’s one thing I’ve figured out during the past 6 years it is to NEVER presume that stories of “massacres” on foreign battlefields are true. I think I’ll wait for all the facts to come in from sources I trust before I venture too far into this story.

FRegards,
LH


74 posted on 03/12/2012 2:13:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

“There are so many bogus “sorries” being uttered by the Obama administration that if an occasion for a real one should come along, nobody can tell the difference.”

EXACTLY


75 posted on 03/12/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Rick is jumping the shark again.
He has to learn when to just shut up. He doesn’t have to have an opinion on everything.


76 posted on 03/12/2012 2:15:05 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mariner

If it’s certain that he was the one who deliberately burned the bodies after the fact, then yeah that changes things.


77 posted on 03/12/2012 2:15:45 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Steelfish

Right, Chris Wallace, Brit Hume and FOX News would never distort the facts on what Newt Gingrich had to say, or actually tried to say. They are well known for editing things to suit their support for Romney.

And McCain admitted he was very short on making foreign policy decisions, but go ahead, model your views on what McCain and FOX thinks. It becomes you.


78 posted on 03/12/2012 2:18:18 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; parksstp

Editing not needed. Hear, see, and read for yourself.
In Gingrich’s own words its “not doable” any longer in Afghanistan.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/blog/2012/03/11/newt-wont-drop-out-bets-big-southern-swing


79 posted on 03/12/2012 2:29:41 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“the facts of the case”

I just saw a news item (news to me) that the soldier had suffered a severe brain trauma but was examined and determined fit for duty.


80 posted on 03/12/2012 2:34:47 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: tumblindice

WOW


81 posted on 03/12/2012 2:38:57 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: panthermom

I will pray for your son and all our troops over there. I’m afraid that I am a coward when it comes to war, so I can easily understand how a young man could lose control and go over the edge. The new rules of engagement must add tremendously to the strain. I think that what troubles me the most is that I know Obama has no love for this country and no respect for our troops.


82 posted on 03/12/2012 3:35:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I guess we’ll need to start the “Santorum apology tour” thread now, as a sideline to the “Obama apology tour”.


83 posted on 03/12/2012 3:38:49 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: xzins

The soldier is in custody. He will be tried, but like I said earlier, it sounds as though he may have been suffering from PTSD from earlier deployment (s) to Iraq. His brigade has done three tours in Iraq, and was reassigned to to Afghanistan in December. The accused soldier just arrived in February.

It would be totally understandable for someone who was already suffering from PTSD to crack up under the circumstances in Afghanistan. While apologies to the Afghanis may be appropriate, apologies to our troops for sending them over there under Obama’s untenable rules of engagement should also be offered.


84 posted on 03/12/2012 3:41:13 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Rick Santorum Advises America to Apologize for Afghanistan Shooting

I'd rather not.

Under the conditions and Rules of Engagement our military were ordered to fight a war with conscienless killers for years, I'm just amazed it didn't happen sooner.
There is a limit of what can be expected from normal human beings.

85 posted on 03/12/2012 4:06:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"But I will say, you sound like a Paultard."

1. At least a half dozen times I came to your defense over name-calling only to see you turn around and do it yourself.

2. This was a crime, not a battlefield atrocity. This guy walked off base and killed women and kids.

Yes, for the first time since Obama has been POTUS we owe somebody an apology.

86 posted on 03/12/2012 4:12:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Lancey Howard

You know that I have solidly supported the Haditha Marines for years, so you know that I agree with you about innocent until proven guilty.

Perhaps what I wrote was poorly written, but what I intended to say was that in the event of a murder, it is the murderer who should apologize and not his nation or his commander or his parents or anyone other than him.

They are not the ones who committed the alleged crime.


87 posted on 03/12/2012 7:18:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Eva

I am a solid supporter of both Santorum and Gingrich. In this case, Santorum is wrong. The USA owes no apology to Afghanistan if someone was murdered. The murderer owes an apology. No one else.


88 posted on 03/12/2012 7:20:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

I agree with you completely. And no, there was nothing wrong with your original post, and I hope my response didn’t sound like I had a problem with it. In fact, you started your post with, “If reports prove to be accurate...”. That is exactly where I stand.

FRegards,
LH


89 posted on 03/12/2012 7:30:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xzins; Lancey Howard

>> If reports prove to be accurate that this was murder, then the US should try the soldier for murder.

Apparently, the soldier took a damning blow to the head from an IED. Maybe true or not. I don’t know. There’s a lot of things we don’t know about this situation.

Let’s put the military judicial process before the apologies.


90 posted on 03/12/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Gene Eric; Lancey Howard

Even if a military trial finds the soldier guilty of murder, the USA owes no apology to Afghanistan. Only the murderer owes an apology.

If the US had ordered the soldier to murder, then that would be a different story.


91 posted on 03/12/2012 7:50:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Offer condolences, and all that, if true.....but WTF should we apologize for?


92 posted on 03/12/2012 7:51:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: xzins; Gene Eric
..the USA owes no apology to Afghanistan. Only the murderer owes an apology.

That sure won't stop the floating turd Ubama from apologizing. That scumbag loves to apologize for America. And like I said in an earlier post, Santorum really jumped the shark for even considering the idea that the US should apologize. I agree with the two of you - - offering an apology is a non starter. Strictly for losers.

93 posted on 03/12/2012 7:59:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xzins

The soldier had a brain injury from a previous deployment. Obama owes the apology, not the soldier and not our troops.


94 posted on 03/12/2012 7:59:42 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Screw that, just say, “S—t happens” and move on. It’s a friggin’ war.


95 posted on 03/12/2012 8:00:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The “guy” suffers from a traumatic brain injury from an earlier deployment and should never have been in Afghanistan.


96 posted on 03/12/2012 8:01:08 PM PDT by Eva
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To: dfwgator

Your, - oh never mind. You wouldn’t understand anyway. Do you even know what a brain injury is, or what PTSD can do to a person?


97 posted on 03/12/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

I am well aware....all I am trying to say is that apologies should be done privately to those affected....there is no need to apologize to anyone else....get to the bottom of it, punish the guilty, or get the guy the help he needs, fine......but there is no need to make apologies a public spectacle. It makes us look weak, and it doesn’t placate anybody, anyway.


98 posted on 03/12/2012 8:06:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Eva

The only way in which a murderer would not be responsible is if he did not understand the difference between right and wrong. But, even if insane, he would still owe an apology.

As a career soldier, I believe the oath of a soldier is to obey the orders of the officers appointed over me. Even if a war is wrongly prosecuted, that does not justify murder.


99 posted on 03/12/2012 8:07:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Mariner
I said you sounded like a paultard with that post.

Obviously, you have never been in combat. You have no idea what our kind go through do you? It's easy for you to demand an apology for something you do not understand.

We are at WAR. And when we fight wars, there will be unfortunate incidents like this. There always has been and there always be. WAR IS HELL! There is no other way to put it.

If you had even the slightest insight into what happened during World War 1, 2, Korea, Viet Nam, etc, we would still be only halfway through the list of apologies due from World War 1.

The soldier snapped, as they often do in combat. I have seen it first hand myself. His actions were not ordered by his commanders, or the CIC, so there was little anyone could do to prevent it. Is it a tragedy? Absolutely! Should the USA apologize for the inevitability of what war creates? Absolutely NOT! The country being liberated is and has benefited from thousands of our people dying for their cause. There is no other payment required!

100 posted on 03/12/2012 8:10:25 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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