Skip to comments.Tea partiers will vote for ‘whoever’ GOP nominee ‘turns out to be’, says tea party scholar
Posted on 03/12/2012 8:50:43 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Just because the tea party hasnt been as noisy this election cycle doesnt mean it wont be a force come November, says Elizabeth Price Foley, author of The Tea Party: Three Principles.
When it comes to the presidential contest, I think the tea partiers will turn up in droves, she told The Daily Caller.
They arent rallying in the street anymore I think theyve been there, done that, so they appear to be quieter. But tea party chapters are still alive and vigorous, and they are just chomping at the bit to pull a lever in November.
Whats more, says Foley, is that tea partiers will ultimately rally behind whomever the GOP nominee turns out to be.
And frankly, I think many tea partiers are eager to pull the lever in favor of the Republican presidential nominee whoever that turns out to be simply because, from their perspective, that persons policies will be clearly preferable to those of President Obama, she said.
Foley is the rarest of species: a tea party academic. A law professor at Florida International University and chair in constitutional litigation for the Institute of Justice, Foley says many of her liberal colleagues didnt receive her pro-tea party book too well.
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Try me and see.
If I were her, I wouldn’t bet on it.
I think that’s generally correct. We’ll push hard to get the right candidate, but then support whomever is the nominee to get rid of Obama.
I think it’s more important to change Congress and work to win the states than to win the presidency anyway.
Ms Foley, read my tagline!
Obama tried to tell me what to do once. Didn’t work out to well for him. Care to try your luck?
Then they are part of the problem.
Just like 2010, the tea party will be there to vote against anyone supporting an individual mandate.
I agree abut the Congress, but many many many of us will never, ever support Romney. He is Obama on the GOP ticket. Supporting Romney is voting the enemy into our own camp. Ain’t gonna happen.
Mitt Romney was a moderate governor in Massachusetts with an unimpressive record of governance. He left office with an approval rating in the thirties and his signature achievement, Romneycare, was a Hurricane Katrina style disaster for the state. Since that's the case, it's fair to ask what a Republican who's not conservative and can't even carry his own state brings to the table for GOP primary voters. The answer is always the same: Mitt Romney is supposed to be "the most electable" candidate. This is a baffling argument because many people just seem to assume it's true, despite the plethora of evidence to the contrary.
1) People just don't like Mitt: The entire GOP primary process so far has consisted of Republican voters desperately trying to find an alternative to Mitt Romney. Doesn't it say something that GOP primary voters have, at one time or another, preferred Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and now even Ron Paul (In Iowa) to Mitt Romney?
To some people, this is a plus. They think that if conservatives don't like Mitt Romney, that means moderates will like him. This misunderstands how the process of attracting independent voters works in a presidential race. While it's true the swayable moderates don't want to support a candidate they view as an extremist, they also don't just automatically gravitate towards the most "moderate" candidate. To the contrary, independent voters tend to be moved by the excitement of the candidate's base (See John McCain vs. Barack Obama for an example of how this works). This is how a very conservative candidate like Ronald Reagan could win landslide victories. He avoided being labeled an extremist as Goldwater was; yet his supporters were incredibly enthusiastic and moderates responded to it.
Let's be perfectly honest: Mitt Romney excites no one except for Mormons, political consultants, and Jennifer Rubin. To everybody else on the right, Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama would be a "lesser of two evils" election where we'd grudgingly back Mitt because we wouldnt lose as badly with him in the White House as we would with Obama. That's not the sort of thing that gets people fired up to make phone calls, canvass neighborhoods, or even put up "I heart Mitt" signs in their yards.
2) He's a proven political loser: There's a reason Mitt Romney has been able to say that he's "not a career politician." It's because he's not very good at politics. He lost to Ted Kennedy in 1994. Although he did win the governorship of Massachusetts in 2002, he did it without cracking 50% of the vote. Worse yet, he left office as the 48th most popular governor in America and would have lost if he had run again in 2006. Then, to top that off, he failed to capture the GOP nomination in 2008. This time around, despite having almost every advantage over what many people consider to be a weak field of candidates, Romney is still desperately struggling. Choosing Romney as the GOP nominee after running up that sort of track record would be like promoting a first baseman hitting .225 in AAA to the majors.
3) Running weak in the southern states: Barack Obama won North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida in 2008 and you can be sure that he will be targeting all three of those states again. This is a problem for Romney because he would be much less likely than either Gingrich or Perry to carry any of those states. Moderate northern Republicans have consistently performed poorly in the south and Romney won't be any exception. That was certainly the case in 2008 when both McCain and Huckabee dominated Romney in primaries across the south. Mitt didn't win a single primary in a southern state and although he finished second in Florida, he wasn't even competitive in North Carolina or Virginia. Since losing any one of those states could be enough to hand the election to Obama in a close race, Mitt's weakness there is no small matter.
4) His advantages disappear in a general election: It's actually amazing that Mitt Romney isn't lapping the whole field by 50 points because he has every advantage. Mitt has been running for President longer than the other contenders. He has more money and a better organization than the other candidates. The party establishment and inside the beltway media are firmly in his corner. That's why the other nominees have been absolutely savaged while Romney, like John McCain before him, has been allowed to skate through the primaries without receiving serious scrutiny.
Yet, every one of those advantages disappears if he becomes the nominee. Suddenly Obama will be the more experienced candidate in the race for the presidency. He will also have more money and a better organization than Mitt. Moreover, in a general election, the establishment and beltway media will be aligned against Romney, not for him. Suddenly, Romney will go from getting a free pass to being public enemy #1 for the entire mainstream media.
If you took all those advantages away from Romney in the GOP primary, he'd be fighting with Jon Huntsman to stay out of last place. So, what happens when he's the nominee and suddenly, all the pillars that have barely kept him propped up in SECOND place so far are suddenly removed? It may not be pretty.
5) Bain Capital: Mitt Romney became rich working for Bain Capital. This has been a plus for Romney in the Republican primaries where the grassroots tend to be dominated by people who love capitalism and the free market. However, in a year when Obama will be running a populist campaign and Occupy Wall Street is demonizing the "1%," Mitt Romney will be a TAILOR MADE villain for them. Did you know that Bain Capital gutted companies and made a lot of money, in part, by laying off a lot of poor and middle class Americans? Do you know that Bain Capital got a federal bailout and Mitt Romney made lots of money off of it?
The way the company was rescued was with a federal bailout of $10 million, the ad says. The rest of us had to absorb the loss Romney? He and others made $4 million in this deal. Mitt Romney: Maybe hes just against government when it helps working men and women.
The facts of the Bain & Co. turnaround are a little more complicated, but a Boston Globe report from 1994 confirms that Bain saw several million dollars in loans forgiven by the FDIC, which had taken over Bains failed creditor, the Bank of New England.
Did you know Ted Kennedy beat Romney in 1994 by hammering Mitt relentlessly on his time at Bain Capital? No wonder. The ads write themselves.
Imagine pictures of dilapidated, long since closed factories. They trot out scruffy looking workers talking about how bad life has been since Mitt Romney crushed their dreams and cost them their jobs. Then they show a clip of Mitt making his $10,000 bet and posing with money in his clothes. All Mitt needs is a monocle and a sniveling Waylon Smithers type character to follow him around shining his shoes to make him into the prototypical bad guy the Democrats are trying to create.
Now, the point of this isn't to say that what Mitt did at Bain Capital was dishonorable. It certainly wasn't. To the contrary, as a conservative, I find his work in the private sector to be just about the only thing he has going for him. But, people should realize that in a general election, Mitt's time at Bain Capital will probably end up being somewhere between a small asset and a large liability, depending on which side does a better job of defining it.
6) The Mormon Factor: This is a sensitive topic; so I am going to handle it much, much more gently than Hollywood and the mainstream media will if Mitt gets the nomination. Mormons do believe in Jesus Christ, the Mormon Church does a lot of good work, the ones I've met seem to be good people, and two of my best friends are Mormons. That being said, Mormons are not considered to be a mainstream Christian religion in large swathes of the country. There will be Protestants who will have deep reservations about voting a Mormon into the White House because they'll be afraid it will help promote what they believe to be a false religion. There have also been a number of polls that show that significant numbers of Americans won't vote for a Mormon as President.
Just look at a couple of the more recent polls and consider how much of an impact this issue could have in a close election.
The poll found 67 percent of Americans want the president to be Christian and 52 percent said they consider Mormons to be Christian. Twenty-two percent of those polled said they don't think Mormons are Christians and 26 percent are unsure.
"I do believe they are moral people, but again there is a difference between being moral and being saved," Linda Dameron, an evangelical Republican in Independence, Mo., told the Tribune.
More than 40 percent of Americans would be uncomfortable with a Mormon as president, according to a new survey that also suggests that as more white evangelical voters have learned White House hopeful Mitt Romney is Mormon, the less they like him.
A survey by the Public Religion Research Institute released late Monday also shows that nearly half of white evangelical Protestant voters a key demographic in the Republican primary race dont believe that Mormonism is a Christian faith, and about two-thirds of adults say the LDS faith is somewhat or very different than their own.
You should also keep in mind that if Mitt Romney gets the nomination, Hollywood and the mainstream media will conduct a vicious, months long hate campaign against the Mormon Church. They will take every opportunity to make Mormons look weird, racist, kooky, scary, and different. Would this be a decisive factor? I'd like to say no, but by the time all is said and done, it's very easy to see Romney potentially losing hundreds of thousands of votes across the country because of his religion.
7) He's a flip-flopper. Maybe my memory is failing me, but didnt George Bush beat John Kerry's brains in with the "flip flopper" charge back in 2004? So now, just eight years later, the GOP is going to run someone that even our own side agrees is a flip-flopper right out of the gate? Romney doesn't even handle the charge well. When Brett Baier at Fox pointed out the obvious, Romney's response was to get huffy and deny that he was flip flopping, which is kind of like Lady Gaga denying that she likes to get attention. If Mitt can't even handle run-of-the-mill questions from FOX NEWS about his flip flopping, what makes anyone think he can deal with the rest of the press in a general election?
There are a lot of issues with trying to run a candidate who doesn't seem to have any core principles. It makes it impossible for his supporters to get excited about him because you can't fall in love with a weathervane. Even worse, since politicians tend to be such liars anyway and you know Romney has no firm beliefs, it's very easy for everyone to assume the worst. Democrats will feel that Romney will be a right wing death-beast. Republicans will think that Romney will screw them over. Independents won't know what to believe, which will make the hundreds of millions that Obama will spend on attack ads particularly effective. Ronald Reagan famously said the GOP needed "a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors." That's particularly relevant when it comes to Mitt Romney who has proven to be a pasty grey pile of formless mush.
The Tea Party electrified a segment of the public that has a notoriously low voter-turnout profile. The problem is not whether they will vote for some milk-toast country-club Republican. The problem is whether they will even show up at the polls at all.
(and please no one lecture me as to how self defeating that is. I'm not the one making that decision.)
I used to be the typeto hate mittens and I do. But after what thugbama is doing to Tricare? he’ll No!!!
A B O!!!
Tea Party scholar? What the heck is that?
McCain 2.0 is like a “Kitchen Nightmares” episode.
romney is the rotten meat in the dirty fridge.
I don’t think I can go back there again...
I would not be so sure about that as the Tea Party folk are serious about ending corruption.
If we win Congress, Romney will go along with Congress. If we win Congress and Obama wins the presidency, he will fight Congresss just for his self-preservation if nothing else.
I would prefer Newt, and I would accept Santorum, but I would also be willing to go along with Romney if it means getting rid of Obama.
This election will be tough no doubt: my guess is that there will be a low voter turnout.
Romney is more stealth with his socialism, which makes him even more dangerous.
Tea Party Scholar? What on Earth is that? Someone who has been studying the Team Party for two years? lol. That title makes it seems like the Tea Party has been around for decades.
Newt is the only one left in the race that I will consider holding my nose and voting for!
Who made her the “expert” on the Tea Party? I’ve never even heard of her.
Folks, we don't have a Regan available. None are what any of us would like. But any of them are better than what we got now.
What's to figure out? It's survival mode. Take to best of bad options and go with it. Face reality.
Generally speaking. You might be right. But enough conservitives will not vote for him and he will loose.
Mitt does not excite any one except himself. I won’t crawl over broken glass in the cold to vote for him.
Mitt will loose because Mitt is not a republican or a conservative. He is a liberal.
The only reason I’d force myself to vote for him in the general is the SCOTUS. However, I have little faith he would appoint judges that agree with the constitution or conservatives.
I've said this all along. A conservative Congress will force Mitt to act conservatively, in a process not unlike the way that Harriet Miers became Samuel Alito.
Whatever it is , Obama heeds to go.
Those who promise to stay home can GFT!!!
I am sick of these jerkoffs.
What rhe Sam Hill is a ‘tea party scholar’? Shirley, they jest.
In a normal election, in normal times, I'd agree with you. If Obama wins re-election, he'll shape the Supreme Court in his own Marxist image and will be unfettered in completing his attacks on the Constitution. All of it.
Right now, only political pressure prior to the election are the only restraints on him. With Cass Sunstein, Valerie Jarratt, Stephen Chu, Stephen Lerner, and Van Jones and Anita Dunn (the latter two from outside the White House) calling the shots, we'll be in hell before you know it.
Don't go all George Will on us and give up on the POTUS election, please. It's critical.
A Tea Party scholar? Seriously?
I am the Tea Party - and I will not vote for Mittens.
It really pi$$es me off when one nobody presumes to speak for me!
My tagline says it all.
I would not be so sure about that as the Tea Party folk are serious about ending corruption.
I think they (we) are. However replacing their corrupt president with one of our own is the answer.
So much for “grass roots” activism. Why must conservatives be told to get in line and back the establishment, and this comes from someone associated with the Tea Party? The Left has Obama, the most radical leftist in office, and the Occupiers, marxist thugs that mimic the brown shirts of Germany.
our own is NOT the answer...
This is why we have to make sure that Mitt Romney is not the nominee, vote for Newt, vote for Santorum, vote for a bucket of chicken I don’t care..just dont vote for Mitt Romney..its what the establishment wants, its NOT what we want. Obama is vulnerable, he can lose easily to a true Conservative..the RINOS in the GOP are just as bad as the left, crossing my fingers tomorrow that Romney does NOT win AL and MS
But he would be up against, if we do our job, a tea party congress who will do a lot to stop him.
I know what you’re saying, but the focus on perfection has been highly detrimental in conservatives trying to defend the country. Our habit of staying home has allowed many democrats to get in, who probably would not have gotten in otherwise.
It is time for Democrats to be the ones to stay home. We need to make a habit of going to every election, local, state, and national as if we are going to war.
I know for a fact that Dems cannot stand up to conservatives who won’t sit down and shut up. It’s time we used our ability to do that.
Perfection?!?! Hell, I'd settle right now for mediocre.
Exactly. I don't have quite the negative opinion about Romney that many around here have, but as a conservative I understand where folks are coming from. However, beating Obama TRUMPS ALL this November.
R.I.P. Tea Party, is that your motto? Wishful thinking is not an argument or a valid reason.
If we can get rid of Boehner and McConnell, et al and replace the leadership with true conservatives, I agree.
Newt got more done from 1995-1997 than the Rino’s have done in 40 years of moving the pendulam to the right.
Otherwise it’s a waste of time.
What’s to figure out? It’s survival mode. Take to best of bad options and go with it. Face reality.
God help us.
I’m going to vote like it was my very last vote on earth. And it’s not going to be for Romney.
Tea Partiers and Conservatives will turn out in droves, they will vote for local offices, they will vote for state offices, they will vote for federal offices, they will not vote for a liberal on the Republican ticket.
“the focus on perfection”
That sounds familiar: “the perfect is the enemy of the good”
or some such twaddle like that from about four years ago.
Elizabeth Price Foley is in for a surprise
We are waist deep in GOP undertow.
Just wait and see.
If this goes to the Convention, there will be some real surprises.
Choose the right moment. And then act.
"Actually, sir, that turns out not to be the case."
I will NEVER vote for Romney.
Period, paragraph, turn the page, Amen.
No. It is never a waste of time when you fight. Everytime you fight, you get a bit more done. You’re not going to win every battle. You’re not going to get massive change immediately every time. Somethings only change within and aren’t immediately apparent. For example, maybe we can’t move Boehner along this time, but maybe we’ll scare him enough that he’ll go along with some legislation that he wouldn’t have before. Or perhaps he’ll hire a tea party assistant to help him.
But you don’t ever give up. Fight, while going down, if nothing else.
Well, then they can nominate Romney and find out just how much they are wrong.
On any ticket.
For any office.