Skip to comments.Gingrich Is in No Hurry to Bow Out [Gingrich has "grand ambitions"]
Posted on 03/13/2012 10:17:32 PM PDT by Steelfish
March 13, 2012 Gingrich Is in No Hurry to Bow Out Even After Falling Short of Double Wins in Deep South, Former Speaker Still Sees a Way to Push Fight to the Convention
By JANET HOOK and DANNY YADRON
BILOXI, Miss.Even as pressure mounts on Newt Gingrich to drop out of the Republican presidential contest, the former House speaker is preparing to stick it outwith a new short-term goal of keeping Mitt Romney from securing the nomination.
Mr. Gingrich faced crucial primary tests Tuesday in Alabama and Mississippi, states where he campaigned hard to jump-start his flagging campaign. He lost both to former Sen. Rick Santorum, though he appeared on track to finish a respectable second in both. Even if he had realized his dream of winning both, though, some Republican officials doubt that would have generated enough momentum to win the nomination.
Still, Mr. Gingrich and his advisers say he isn't going anywhere. In a concession speech, Mr. Gingrich was gracious to Mr. Santorum, while calling the results an indictment of Mr. Romney, widely seen as the front-runner. "I believe that after the primaries are over it will be obvious the so-called front-runner in fact didn't get there, and from that point we will be in a whole different conversation," Mr. Gingrich said.
As those remarks suggest, Mr. Gingrich and his campaign have embraced a new goal, which is to block Mr. Romney. "He believes the long haul is to get enough delegates to stop Romney from getting the nomination before the convention," said campaign chairman Bob Walker, a former congressman. "If Romney is stopped, I don't think he gets the nomination at the convention."
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I am with Newt too! I like that Romney has to spend his millions to try and beat TWO other candidates. Otherwise, if Newt gets out, Santorum will get buried by the Romney cash!
A little less, actually, since Missouri awards delegates this weekend after Santorum won an outright majority in the primary. But still an uphill climb for sure.
I agree with you. The immigration/amnesty purists destroyed Newt when he was on top because he said he wouldn't go into communities and send grandmothers back to Mexico. All to prop up their favorite lightweight candidate like Cain or Bachmann.
In retrospect. I'm sure they can now see how short-sighted they were. In fact, I have not heard from many of them in weeks.
WtH is wrong with the base?It's the Huckabee vote. It's what we have to contend with as conservatives.
You joined FR in 1998. Kazan joined in 2011. And you’re censoring yourself because the newbie doesn’t like your posts. C’mon, Frank. That doesn’t even make any sense.
Ditto what you said.
Santorum=Huckabee - a prolife big govt liberal
Newt is the ONLY candidate that can beat the marxist messiah.
Hard not to be depressed this morning with the nightmare of total socialism facing us....
“Newt, Thank you
Absolutely! I have been a Newt supporter and voted for him in our primary, but now the “fat lady” needs to be singing a little bit louder for him! He’s not electable and he dreams if he really believes a split convention would EVER give him the nomination! You have to wonder what is really behind this because his continued running is only HELPING Mitt. The argument can be made that Newt is GIVING the election to Mitt...makes you wonder about possible backroom deals. Think about it...why else would BIG money continue to support Newt? Follow the MONEY!
With Rick’s wins it is insane for him to drop out. It’s time to let the people decide between Rick and Mitt, and then go from there. To say Rick or Mitt is not electable is to throw in the towel on the American people.
Newt would serve the “cause” far better by dropping out and becoming a coach for Rick. That’s if he isn’t already working with/for Mitt (I’m really starting to wonder). People you are wasting your money and your time working for Newt at this time, he had a good run, now he needs to take it as a man and go!
I think what we’re seeing is that the “conservative base” isn’t that conservative. Romney and Santorum are identical except for Santorum’s so-called “social conservatism.” They’re both big-government, nanny-staters, who in their own way are little different from Obama.
Gingrich is the only one who is offering a different and truly conservative vision. If the “base” doesn’t want it, I’d say that’s because over the last few years, the “base” has been moving away from the individualism, self-reliance and entrepreneurialism that we associate with conservative thought and simply accepting the socialist welfare-state as the default model. Perhaps Obama’s biggest triumph, with his virtually unopposed dictatorial actions and his only slightly opposed imposition of government in every part of our lives, was to reveal that Americans have lost whatever it was that made us different.
All we want now is our place at the welfare state trough, freedoms be damned.
The Friends just announced that some scoop just crossed their BlackBerrys that Newt will join forces with Rick. Stay tuned.
“Newt bailed on Kansas to go all-in in Alabama and Mississippi. If he cant win these states, where can he win?”
Well, you were fooled by the most brilliant man in the room. You only THOUGHT he was “all-in” in Alabama and Mississippi, but that was because you, lacking Gingrichian Brilliance, could not see that his real strategy is to ignore votes and impute the nomination to himself in Tampa.
Sure, the details are sketchy, but no matter what happens, rest assured, you can attribute it to “brilliance”.
The media has been out for Newt since SC, they know Newt is a threat thus they attack him and channels like FOX have done the most damage but the problem with these establishment idiots is that they have let a guy in with the attitude of take one for the team .
Actually thinking about it that is exactly what the establishment want, “take one for the team”
As for the base, ARF they sit there watch their local channels or FOX and think the truth is being told to them.
Either way , no matter who one supports, this election is a disaster and to now have these still lot running is a joke.
Col Allen West and Sarah PLEASE RUN AS A TICKET.
That is what Romney is saying about Newt and Rick.
Sad thing is, no one is going to smash Obambi very easily.
“Wrong. Santorum would have to get 65% of the remaining 1384 delegates to reach 1,144. That is not going to happen.”
So is that MORE or LESS than the number of delegates Gingrich will have?
I’m so confused by the Historian’s Math that the Gingrich supporters use to tabulate the victory that they are so certain their candidate will achieve with delegates at the convention.
If Gingrich were to drop out, Romney would destroy Santorum in one week of negative ads. That's a fact.
You are looking at it in the wrong way.
Let’s look at utmost certainty’s claim that Santorum would need to win 65 per cent of the remaining delegates.
Just ask yourself if that is possible, whether Newt is there or he isn’t there, for Santorum to beat his opponents or opponent by that amount, going forward.
I haven’t assessed those numbers, don’t know if they’re dead on, but it makes common sense to me. Romney has a BIG delegate lead, and don’t ever forget that. Romney’s problem is his big lead doesn’t mean he’s a front runnner in the true sense of that word.
So many, many do not like, do not trust, and do not want Mitt, that he is very, very weak as a front runner.
But mathematically, the claim is that Santorum cannot get to the nomination in Romney’s place.
Neither can Newt.
But what kind of an awkward position does that put Romney in, if he can’t get there either, and if two thirds or more of the primary voters DO NOT WANT HIM.
Meanwhile, Newt is driving the debate and taking on all comers, that are responsible for putting the country in the horrible position it’s in.
And Santorum is the religion canidate. Make no mistake. Other than that, he cannot hold a candle to Newt Gingrich.
I see you don’t appreciate Newt.
That’s too bad.
I thank the good Lord he’s there.
“I think what were seeing is that the conservative base isnt that conservative.”
Exactly. Been saying this for months. Mis-reading the american electorate has been and will be doom for the right.
“All we want now is our place at the welfare state trough, freedoms be damned.”
Unfortunately. the largest group of emotional, uninformed voters will win this election. And they’re not conservatives. BTW, they’re certainly not “pure conservatives” either.
From the article, Santorum said “The fact is, the longer this race goes on the better we are. And having to go to the convention, if thats where it goes, I dont think is a bad thing at all because I think well come out of that convention with a conservative nominee and thats our best chance to win.”
If Santorum is willing to take it all the way to the convention, then theres no reason for Gingrich or Paul to get out.”
Santorum knows the reality of the delegate math, he understands that unless MITT gets out neither he or Newt can get enough delegates.
Grand or grandiose?
And good for future book and appearance fees.
It’s so confusing, this “he should drop out” thing.
Why don’t I ever hear that concerning Ron Paul? His supporters don’t even vote republican in the general elections, they vote dem. Why is he still on the ballot?
The best signs I saw last night were those held by Newt’s supporters - don’t believe the liberal media. Amen to that.
“Romneys problem is his big lead doesnt mean hes a front runnner in the true sense of that word.”
Let me guess the follow on: “Just because Newt is in third place and dropping doesn’t mean he’s not the front-runner in the true sense of that word”
Newt is not driving anything in this election season. Do you really think nobody would talk about the price of gas? The sour grapes coming from Newt and his supporters get more unpalatable with each Gingrich loss. Eventually an ego the size of Newt’s will get the message.
What each of you Newt supporters are saying is that if he doesn’t win, he’s taking his ball and going home.
What he SHOULD be doing is stepping back and helping the other candidates. Instead, you rationalize that somehow Newt is relevant and his inexplicable hubris is somehow the only savior of America.
Nonsense. Newts a loser, and gets more pitiful and becomes more irrelevant and useless every day that goes by. It will come to a point when he wouldn’t be an asset even as an adviser to one of his betters in the race.
I’m not wild about Santorum, but hey, he beat Newt fair and square (and continues to do so - and will continue if you believe polls - which have been correct in terms of Newt’s standing with the electorate. If Newt had half the intellect he claims, he’d step back and help Santorum beat Romney in hopes of advancing the agenda that Newt claims he supports.
In reality, Newt is about Newt and he doesn’t care about America, the GOP, or anything else if it means HE isn’t President.
That is the Newt that I knew would always percolate to the surface - and why I’ve never supported him. He is an uncommonly selfish and self-centered man (even for a politician) that should never be nominated, and never elected.
Here in North AL the church parking lots are very full on Sunday Morning, Sunday Night AND Wednesday night . . . I think Santorum got a whole lot of that vote.
That explains why Santo morphed into 99% preacher during The Alabama Republican Party Forum on Monday night.
As much as I support Newt, at some point "winning" has to become part of the strategy or the only place he's going is back home.
This talk of delegates and a brokered convention? I wouldn't count on anything but a total GOP elitist takeover if it comes to that.
We'll need to respond, but allow me to sum up the current effectiveness of the base's response to the elitists to date:
“I see you dont appreciate Newt.”
Watch Newt support Romney in the end so Romney can secure the nomination in return for whatever cabinet position he chooses.
He’s a serial betrayer in every aspect of his life.
If you are realistic as a Newt supporter, you know this is not the remote possibility that it should be.
There is a HUGE difference between a BROKERED Convention and an OPEN Convention.
We thoroughly disagree.
But you will fall for anything that has Newt as the villain.
You will not see anything else even if it is right before your eyes and all mathematics and logic were to point to its truth. Such as the point being made by utmost certainty that Santorum CANNOT WIN THE NOMINATION OVER ROMNEY BY DELEGATE MATH, NEWT OR NO NEWT.
And I will add, Newt was the frontrunner and Santorum was at 4 per cent, when Romney destroyed Newt in Iowa with five million in negative ads against a man with almost no money, and later in FL with twenty million in such ads.
While leaving Santorum alone in the ad attacks.
Then Santorum walked into that breach and became what he has become.
As the religion candidate in the Republican party.
Which in no way equals what is needed to win a national race against all the odds arrayed.
Oh, but Santorum and his supporters aren’t selfish, oh never, that would only go to Newt and his supporters.
Your Newt fixation dooms your thoughts, and it guarantees you will distort the view of fellow freepers and miss every key point of truth that doesn’t account for Newt the villain.
Good luck with that.
You might need it.
“But you will fall for anything that has Newt as the villain.”
Maybe Newt IS the villain?
As you point out - Santorum doesn’t get over the top with or without Newt - which is why I believe that Newt is such a villain, such an egotist that he will throw his support to Romney to advance himself.
Would you not agree that would be a villainous act?
You simply cannot rule it out with Newt - no matter how much you’d like to say that THIS time he stands on principle.
In hindsight that was probably the goal all along, which is a good thing.
Hold it right there.
I'm offended at your use of the term "commie atheist".
What we're talking about here is a bisexual crack-smoking commie atheist and you know it.
Next time get it right. :)
(Well, actually a muslim bisexual crack-smoking commie but let's not split hairs today...)
I like Newt because, unlike Santorum, he's going after Obama pretty hard. He points out his Alinsky ways, how the food stamps program has grown, etc. I have not yet seen Santorum really take it to obama.
If he wants to be Santorum's VP, then stepping aside now would be stupid. The only reason Santorum would put Newt on the ticket would be because he needed Newt's delegates. So if Newt wants that to happen, then Newt's best strategy is to stay in and get as many delegates as he can. Eventually, the only states left will be winner-take-all states. At that point, Gingrich will no longer be able to get any more delegates and he will have more bargaining power with either Santorum or Romney, depending on his intentions. Based on everything he and Romney have said, I don't see a Gingrich-Romney team up as even a remote possibility.
I would have loved for Newt to win AL and MS.
That said, neither Newt nor Santorum is going to the convention with the 1144 bound delegates needed for a first ballot win.
The key at this point is to stop Romney. Tonight went a long way toward accomplishing that.
Folks asking either Santorum or Newt to bow out are making assumptions about where each of their voters would go. I dont think all of the potential Newt voters would choose Santorum over Romney, nor would Santorum voters all choose Newt. Since neither Newt nor Santorum will get to 1144 they might as well both stay in and keep those delegates away from Romney.
Ditto. Best post and analysis on this thread.
If Santorum is the nominee, I’ll support him.
However, I fear that he is another Geo. W. Bush in the making. Heaven help us.
You are WRONG, WRONG and then WRONG.
Newt and Rick stay in, deny Romney the delegates to clinch. Then, right before an OPEN CONVENTION, Newt makes a deal with Rick, NOT MITT. Rick and Newt will decide which one leads and where the other one will serve.
They are morons.
Cubans keep voting for Castro, Russians keep voting for Putin, and Venezuelans keep voting for Chavez.
It's the reason why the Founders didn't put a right to vote in the Constitution, and why enfranchising women, non tax payers, and imbeciles over the last 100 years means this Republic will fall very soon.
OK, I'm inclined to tentatively agree with your first and third sentences, but sentence two, in the words of Sesame Street, "doesn't belong with the others".
Cubans, Russians and Venezuelans don't keep voting for Castro, Putin and Chavez because they are morons. Indeed, one could argue that while it might be very noble to vote AGAINST those guys, it would also be somewhat moronic to do that with the figurative gun already pressing on your forehead.
Some have said the candidates beating up on each other is bad, and they need to focus on Obama. But only Gingrich has been the bold candidate taking on Obama in the public arena. Romney is too cowardly to say anything about Obama which is not nice. Romney's critique is milquetoast. Santorum has also not strongly attacked Obama.
Santorum has critiqued Romney's lack of "bold ideas", but Santorum has offered no bold ideas, other than a crony-capitalism corporate tax which benefits a few selected winners. The candidate of bold ideas is Gingrich. Cain also had bold ideas, but he is gone.
While Romney and Santorum drop a comment or two in a speech about gas prices, Ginrich offers a point by point plan with a measurable goal. While Santorum complains about the secularization of society, Ginrich offers a specific example to illustrate the issue (the GCB vs. Good Muslim B-tches). But nobody is listening to Ginrich any more. Gingrich is yesterday's candidate.
The desire for a Romney alternative who is a Washington outsider has been dropped since Cain left the race.
The other thing which has really hurt Gingrich, and helped Santorum is the ending of the debates.
I think this primary always was a popularity contest of the social conservative base. First it was Bachmann, then Perry (until the Gardisil issue), then Cain (until the bimbo eruption), then Gingrich (until the hit piece by his second wife). Now we are left with Santorum as the Anybody But Romney candidate. The social conservatives have written off Gingrich, while glossing over, ignoring, or absolving Santorum of his sins against the conservative base.
Exit polls show there are voters who believe Romney is the most electable, and some who believe that then vote for Santorum. For some, Santorum is a social conservative protest vote against the "establishment".
What explains Santorum's success is the fact Santorum is a good family man with an intact family, who today is strong on social issues, and for the last six years has not have to deal with that pesky issue of having to cast a vote in the Senate. So like Romney, Santorum can discard past sins against conservatism as errors which he has overcome. It works in Santorum's case, but not Romney's, because Santorum is trustworthy and Romney comes across as a used car salesman.
It comes down to this: Conservative voters do not trust Romney when it comes to both fiscal and social issues. Social conservatives do not trust Gingrich on social issues because of his personal baggage. Social conservatives believe Santorum on social issues, because he is loyal to his wife and family. Gingrich will not win back supporters who left him for Santorum in the same way Bachmann cannot comeback and win them. He had his chance, and the popularity wave is a huge factor in primaries. But this time, Santorum is the last Anybody But Romney candidate left. There is no one else to go to, so social conservatives have doubled down on Santorum.
Excellent post #66.
Newt is not splitting the conservative vote—he is ensuring there IS a conservative vote come the nomination.
Santorum has 150 HARD delegates now(not total); Newt has 133. Romney has more than twice of either.
Newt knows Romney, the Massachusetts moderate, is a disaster for the GOP in the general. By staying in, he is helping himself, and is actually helping Santorum to stay viable, because Romney has to expend resources on fighting two candidates, not one.
My belief is that Romeny would basically cream Santorum in attacks if it was just the two of them. Remember, Santorum endorsed Romney in 2008 very strongly.
At this point, the best outcome is for both Santorum and Newt to shadow each other all the way to Tampa, blocking Romney. It is blowing a hole in the m edia and GOP establishment positions that Romney is inevitable.
Also Newt staying in, is defining the issues in the campaign. Chu didn’t change positions due to Santorum or Romney—it is because Newt Gingrich has set the table, and has taken on Obama daily.
Newt is a leader—I do not see that in Santorum. Newt is helping to take and deflect fire that would solely be directed to Santorum.
The takeaway from MS and AL is twofold:
1. 70% of the primary voters did not vote for Romney.
2. Ron Paul needs to go away.
What is happening is what should happen in the primaries—candidates battling it out.
Newt is clearly the most conservative viable candidate in this race, to win against Obama.
I wish the ultra conservative Christians could see that we are not electing an altar boy, we need a fighter this go around, and that is Newt.
Balderdash. Polls show that half of Santorum's or Gingrich's support would go to Romney if either dropped out. I'm one that prefers Gingrich, but would probably switch to Romney, not Santorum. But just because I prefer Gingrich doesn't mean I'd agree with him if he endorses Santorum. My reaction would be what it always is when a politician I like endorses one I don't. Instead of improving my opinion of the one I didn't like, it just lowers my opinion of the one I did like.
I have a pretty low opinion of both Romney and Santorum. If Newt drops out, it would be a tough decision for me when my state's primary occurs. I'm leaning Romney, but if Santorum chose Gingrich as his VP, that could tip me back towards him, whereas an endorsement by Newt probably wouldn't change my thinking much at all.
I agree. If Newt drops out, some of his support will go to Romney. While Newt is getting some of the Anybody But Romney support, he has already lost much of his support among social conservatives to Santorum.
“Santorum is a good family man with an intact family”
... and with a not so “intact” wife, the mistress for 6 years of an abortionist doctor ...who accompanied his patients to her lovers’ clinic, explaining to them that it was not hard, that abortion was not “big deal”.
A couple of hypocrites.
If Gingrich’s private life is fair game, so is Santorum’s. Rick is always boasting about his, while attacking Newt. He would probably be delighted to see his wife in the arms of her lover. S...w him and his hypocrisy.
When Santorum was smiling at the abortion-man...Santorum supporting Arlen Specter, while Arlen is talking of his pro-abortion stand:
“At this point, the best outcome is for both Santorum and Newt to shadow each other all the way to Tampa, blocking Romney. It is blowing a hole in the media and GOP establishment positions that Romney is inevitable.”
Not to mention it’s will blow a hole in the attempt to remove O from office.
I like your tagline . . . as such, we need to remember who the enemy really is.
let the Michael Savage “stalking horse for Obama” conspiracy theories fly...
Before I disagree with this, let me say that I completely agree Newt is the best candidate. I also completely agree we need to vote against Obama, no matter who the Republicans put up against him.
But I vehemently disagree with the sentiments expressed on Free Republic or elsewhere by analysts or supporters of one candidate or the other that any of the top three Republican candidates "can't" beat Obama or is "unelectable".
The often forgotten truth of this election is that if the economy tanks or gas prices keep skyrocketing ALL of them could beat Obama. On the other hand if gas prices go way down and the economy improves drastically, NONE of them could beat Obama. This race will be a referendum on Obama. Their differences in electability are slight and pale by comparison to the impact that the economy will have on the race. Those differences are debatable (each of the candidates has a reasonable explanation why he thinks he is the most electable, I happen to agree with Newt's), but COULD matter if the economy stays lukewarm and the race stays close.
No gripe with you in particular--I'm just getting really, really tired of the absolutist statements that some of our candidates can't beat Obama. And I figured I'd rather point that out to someone who shares my candidate preference rather than picking on a Santorum or Romney supporter. ;-)
For some reason I can see Newt siding with Romeny before Santorum. The irony is he is talking about how there is only 2 conservatives in the race now, but I think his true colors will side with the establishment Republican choice which is Romeny. Newt can’t change his stripes he is who he is, despite what we want him to be or the phony conservative he wants us to believe he is.
Neither Karen Garver or Dr. Tom Allen were married when they were in a relationship (1982-1989). Garver married Santorum in 1990. Allen started dating his current wife in 1989 and married her in 1996.
Karen was not the doctor's mistress, she was his girlfriend.
Rick and Karen Santorum's marriage appears to have been intact since they were married in 1990.
Personally, I could care less. This election should be about the economy and issues, not about which candidate is more "pure".
You must believe then conservative policies will are losing propositions?"
Wow. That's not very good reasoning. I think it's clear in his post that he believes in conservative policies, but doesn't think that Santorum communicates or defends them well.
I happen to agree with him on that point. When Gingrich speaks he makes it sound like you'd be an idiot to disagree with a conservative. Sadly, though he's usually OK, there are times when Santorum speaks that he makes it seem like conservatives are idiots.
In other words he clearly doesn't believe conservative policies are a losing proposition, but rather believes Santorum is a losing proposition.
Inconsolable, she wouldn't let up until it dawned on me.
In Sunday School that morning, they'd sung "Onward Christian Soldiers!"
So around the house we marched and sang our hearts out, til she was her 'cheerful' self again.
So today, with our precious Newt in mind, I'm going to be praying that powerful hymn, over and over.
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christs own promise, and that cannot fail.
Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.