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DHHS Official Grilled Over Preschooler’s Rejected Lunch - Lawmakers want to know why 4-year-old
Caorlina Journal ^ | 3/14/12 | Sara Burrows

Posted on 03/14/2012 9:31:20 AM PDT by Nachum

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Full title: DHHS Official Grilled Over Preschooler’s Rejected Lunch... Lawmakers want to know why 4-year-old got chicken nuggets and teacher resigned
1 posted on 03/14/2012 9:31:29 AM PDT by Nachum
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2 posted on 03/14/2012 9:33:20 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

They need to call in the teacher and find out if she was implementing what she was told, or if it was her own interpretation.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 9:35:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Nachum

It appears that the state does not object to what was done only that it wasn’t done “in a more tactful way”. Do not think for a minute that they don’t agree with the commie bitch.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 9:41:33 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (It's now or never!)
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To: Nachum

In addition to the big brother paternalism here is the fact that the child’s brown bag luch was much healthier and more nutritious than the school lunch which was ordered as a replacement.


5 posted on 03/14/2012 9:41:41 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Nachum

I would like to see, in addition to finding out whether this is policy or the teacher’s interpretation, a full-on PUBLIC apology to the student and her parents from the teacher, the school principal and the governor, as well as reimbursement to the parents if they were forced to pay for the chicken nuggets.

This statist crap must be stopped in its tracks.


6 posted on 03/14/2012 9:42:00 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Nachum

Any school official who is not an educated nutritionist has no business making a decision like this for any child.How do they know if the kid doesn’t have some sort of dietary restrictions and by messing with the home made lunch they aren’t hurting the child?


7 posted on 03/14/2012 9:43:04 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Nachum
. . . she offered a 4-year-old girl a cafeteria tray containing chicken nuggets, a sweet potato, bread, and milk as an alternative to her homemade turkey and cheese sandwich, potato chips, banana, and apple juice.

I wasn't aware that it was just an "offer".


8 posted on 03/14/2012 9:43:48 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Nachum

I hope the parents of the kid whose lunch was deemed unhealthy sue the meddling officials. I’m ordinarily against litigiousness but I think unless officials start getting sued for interfering with people’s lives they’re going to keep on doing it. Too often public officials think they’re beyond reproach with a king-can-do-no-wrong mentality, and it’s time the people start taking their sorry butts to court.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: MichiganCheese
that is exactly the point. It does not make any difference what the child's lunch was replaced with, it is the fact that they (school district) think that they have the right to interfere with parental prerogative
10 posted on 03/14/2012 9:51:18 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country., Really! NOW!!!)
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To: Nachum

Bump


11 posted on 03/14/2012 9:57:27 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: chris_bdba
Any school official who is not an educated nutritionist has no business making a decision like this for any child.

So you support "educated nutritionists" making dietary decisions for your children and overruling your own choices as to what to feed your own children?

12 posted on 03/14/2012 9:57:27 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: dirtymac

I saddens me so much that so many freepers semmingly don’t get the point that you and MichiganCheese make so well, which is what gives anyone the right to take a lunch from a child provided by a parent? Forget the quality/ nutrition; that is irrelevant. The only important issue is that the state has no right to take a lunch provided by a parent to his or her child.


13 posted on 03/14/2012 10:10:53 AM PDT by Floribama
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To: dirtymac

I saddens me so much that so many freepers semmingly don’t get the point that you and MichiganCheese make so well, which is what gives anyone the right to take a lunch from a child provided by a parent? Forget the quality/ nutrition; that is irrelevant. The only important issue is that the state has no right to take a lunch provided by a parent to his or her child.


14 posted on 03/14/2012 10:11:13 AM PDT by Floribama
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To: AtlasStalled

I’ve often seen people say that suing in these situations is useless as it only punishes the taxpayer. Well, yes it does. and often for good reason. Let me explain that seemingly ‘lib’ comment.

The taxpayer in general is responsible for idiots being the the majority populace of government and schools.school boards. Since the taxpayers of that area were responsible for the election and or appointment by idiots, they bear responsibility as well. By suing, in enough instances like this, the taxpayer will be forced to pay more attention to who they vote for or continue paying for the misbehavior of elected idiots.

This totally sucks for those of us who DO pay attention and vote as the Constitution would have us, but I see no other way. Only money seems to motivate the squishy and easily led out there.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 10:14:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Nachum
and lawmakers wanted to see what steps should be taken to make sure the event was not repeated

They way to do that is to get the gov't out of the nanny-state business.

16 posted on 03/14/2012 10:19:16 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Nachum
Am I the only one who sees a glaring (self-admitted) problem and overeach here.....

....that even the Legislators apparently didn't pick up on, or if they did, it is not addressed in this article and that is the following:

"Cassidy answered that DCDEE consultants — like the one who visited West Hoke Elementary Jan. 26 — were working to 'further educate child care facilities about how to handle this type of situation'.”

"The agency’s regulation requires all homemade lunches brought in by preschoolers to meet U.S. Department of Agriculture nutrition guidelines. They must include one serving of meat or a meat alternative, one serving of grain, two servings of fruit or vegetables, and one serving of fluid milk.

Therefore the 64K question is HOW do they determine whether all homemade lunches "meet US Dept of Ag guidelines," UNLESS they INSPECT (read search) EVERY single brown bag lunch.

If I were a parent, I'd be at the next schoolboard meeting and threatening a major lawsuit unless this policy is rescinded.

17 posted on 03/14/2012 10:20:02 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Nachum

Maybe if the idiots would follow the money they could figure it out.

The more kids that are eat school lunches, the more money the school gets.

They get more money to serve the lunches than the lunches cost.

The more kids are on govt handout lunches, the more money the school gets.


18 posted on 03/14/2012 10:27:02 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Pollster1

” she offered a 4-year-old girl a cafeteria tray containing chicken nuggets, a sweet potato, bread, and milk as an alternative to her homemade turkey and cheese sandwich, potato chips, banana, and apple juice.”

The school food is more fattening.


19 posted on 03/14/2012 10:29:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: chris_bdba
"Any school official who is not an educated nutritionist has no business making a decision like this for any child."

Close but needs some editing: "Any school Government official who is not an educated nutritionist has no business making a decision like this for any child."

20 posted on 03/14/2012 10:33:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Nachum

If I was governor of NC, I would have the State Police escort every single federal official to the state border. There is NO REASON for them to even be in our state without the permission of the governor or the local county sheriff.


21 posted on 03/14/2012 10:37:51 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I don’t have any kids.My point was that these people are not qualified to make any decision about nutrition and therefore should not be doing this...you are the ones adding to my comment when that is not what was meant.


22 posted on 03/14/2012 10:43:55 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Nachum

If any bureaucrat, local/state/federal, interfered with my child’s home-prepared food, the &^%$ would hit the fan................


23 posted on 03/14/2012 10:47:04 AM PDT by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: Floribama

“what gives anyone the right to take a lunch from a child provided by a parent?”

Isn’t it called stealing the kid’s lunch?


24 posted on 03/14/2012 10:51:08 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: fruser1
“...and lawmakers wanted to see what steps should be taken to make sure the event was not repeated.”

Simple. Legislate DHHS out of existence or defund them. When the bureaucratic roaches feel the heat they have an epiphany.

25 posted on 03/14/2012 10:52:19 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Nachum
"...U.S. Department of Agriculture nutrition guidelines. ...must include one serving of meat or a meat alternative..."

Presumably meat alternative means that "pink slime" made from meat byproducts.

26 posted on 03/14/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Nachum
The schools I attended in the 40’s did not have Food Police nor cafeteria's. we brought bag lunches and ate then on the lawn under shade trees. Put the left overs into the trash cans. We traded things and had enjoyable times. After eating it was game time. You name it we played it. This was from K-8 grades. Winter time we eat in the class room and cleaned up our own mess after eating. Had cafeteria's in high school. Ordered what we wanted. Also had bag lunches from home. There was a hamburger and hot dog grill across the street from the school. Got a burger, potatoe chips, drink, for less then a buck (gone by days). No FOOD Police. And we lived to see the golden day of old age. We need to get the government out of peoples lives and how to raise our off spring.
27 posted on 03/14/2012 10:55:38 AM PDT by Don_Ret_USAF ( "Smile Before Bed, You'll Sleep Better.")
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To: Floribama

Absolutely! Don’t go down the “not a nutritionist” road. Then you’ll be paying for nutritionists in every day care and government school in the country to search and replace kids’ lunches. It’s about government overreach and putting the busybody idiots in their place.

By the way, my 2 kids are elite athletes and they eat well-balanced meals but they also eat a lot of things deemed “not healthy”. Their cookies, chips and soda would be confiscated. It’s not about the child’s health it’s all about the money and control over our food and everything else in our lives.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 10:55:38 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (It's now or never!)
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To: Ancesthntr

I have a feeling there is another little tidbit that has not been explored in this stir. NC has a large push to eat NC products. This is implemented in the schools as the Farm to School program.
“During the 2010-11 school year, the NC Farm to School program delivered almost one million dollars worth of NC produce to NC schools, reaching 943,368 students in 1,618 schools. The program expands from 14 to 17 weeks for the 2011-12 school year, in addition to offering a summer program.”

NC ranks 4th in the US in broiler (chicken) production.
NC ranks 1st in the US for sweet potato production.

Look at the foods on the tray that was given to the little girl,
chicken nuggets and sweet potato.
NC products offered through a NC government program. Every packed lunch takes money from their government and school coffers.

quoted note from
http://www.ncfarmtoschool.com/htm/promotions/documents/FTSfactsheet.pdf

Further info
http://www.nutritionnc.com/ResourcesForSchools/pdf/schoolMealsPromoKit/FactSheets/StudentsSucceedFactSheetEnjoyMoreFruitsVegs.pdf


29 posted on 03/14/2012 10:57:36 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: kalee

Her mother’s choice of turkey was still beneficial to NC as they rank 2nd in the nation in turkey production.
However the school and government bureaucracy had nothing to do with purchasing it so they didn’t get their cut.


30 posted on 03/14/2012 11:00:02 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: IMR 4350

One pretty plain money path is tied to the chicken nuggets they substituted for a turkey sandwich. Could it be that the main supplier of the parts is parts nuggets might be Tyson; one of the larger democrat donors? Just the idea that a turkey and cheese sandwich on wheat has less nutrition than breaded chicken nuggets is ridiculous. If McDonald’s were giving large to der Fuehrer they would be subbing Big Macs for the sandwich.


31 posted on 03/14/2012 11:01:15 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Pollster1
I wasn't aware that it was just an "offer".

It's an "offer" in the same sense that Obama is "asking" wealthier Americans to pay more taxes.

32 posted on 03/14/2012 11:24:02 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: Nachum

Maybe the kid preferred the school meal to the home meal?

I mean no disrespect to my parents, but I never really cared for my packaged lunches, and they knew it. I was so glad when we got included in some sort of trial program where I got free lunches daily (I still remember my access code, 20 years later!).

Not that the school lunch was great, it wasn’t, but I had a “thing” about sandwich meat —— it made me gag :) When the lunch program came through, I was able to not have to take in any sandwiches ever again!!!

I got my Dad to give me a buck a day for lunch money, and I used it to buy extra food on the days we had yeast rolls and/or pizza (which were the two good tasting items on the lunch menu).


33 posted on 03/14/2012 11:36:47 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Aqua225; Nachum

And it should be noted: I can eat sandwich meat, as long as it is cold & very fresh. But once it is not that, then I can’t handle it, at all. Gagging results, to the point of barfing in a projectile manner.


34 posted on 03/14/2012 11:39:08 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Cyber Liberty

If we had an honest media, or 0bama was a republican, they would have been all over the concept of the government “asking” anyone to pay more in taxes.

I’ve found that that’s one thing that libs are more averse to than anything - the concept that they are authorizing the government to use coercive deadly force to implement their (the libs’) feel good ideas.


35 posted on 03/14/2012 11:43:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Nachum

“More tactful way” my ***! The damn government has NO BUSINESS taking away a child’s lunch!

SEPARATION OF SCHOOL AND STATE!!!


36 posted on 03/14/2012 11:55:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Nachum

The state should stay the he11 out of things that are not their business.
The ONLY persons with any rights over a child should be kinfolk!!
There are no exceptions.


37 posted on 03/14/2012 12:01:19 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: Aqua225

I usually brought lunch from home and by the time I was about 9 I often made it myself. With my mother’s help generally, but soon learned how to do it all without help.

SEPARATION OF SCHOOL AND STATE!


38 posted on 03/14/2012 12:15:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: BuffaloJack

Anyone with any sense would rip their children out of public schools yesterday. I do realize that some people have “better” schools but they are actually very, very rare indeed.


39 posted on 03/14/2012 12:25:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: chris_bdba

And an ‘educated nutritionist’ should be making such decisions for the girl?


40 posted on 03/14/2012 12:27:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: chris_bdba

Even if the school was saturated with nutritionists who were top in their fields, they have no business whatsoever messing with a kid’s lunch from home unless the kid is eating poison, totally rotten food or brought alcohol.


41 posted on 03/14/2012 12:30:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: RJS1950

Just look how much money and milk is wasted because they put a carton of milk on the kids tray and the kid then chunks it in the trash because they don’t want milk.

Every lunch served has a carton of milk so they have to buy that much milk every day. If it was left up to the kids to take milk if they wanted milk, the amount of milk served would be a fraction of what it is now.

Not only would the schools save money, but the price you pay for milk at the store would drop.

Same goes for all this other mandatory crap they put on kids tray that they don’t want to eat.


42 posted on 03/14/2012 1:08:32 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: chris_bdba
Any school official who is not an educated nutritionist has no business making a decision like this for any child

Let me fix that for ya.

Any school official who is not an educated nutritionist has no business making a decision like this for any child.

43 posted on 03/14/2012 1:15:46 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: IMR 4350

I can relate to the milk thing. I haven’t drank milk since I was about 5. In grade school in the mid 50s they had the milk program in schools, a foul mixture of skim milk and powdered milk.

The teacher forced me to drink down a glass even after I told her I didn’t like it and it made me sick. She took the glass from me and said “Now that was not so bad, was it?” at which time I promptly puked on her shoes. She never approached me again to drink the “milk”.


44 posted on 03/14/2012 1:51:26 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Nachum

Isnt the Turkey sandwich better than fried chicken nugges??but most of all doesnt it show the school and state unfit to make decisions?


45 posted on 03/14/2012 2:18:32 PM PDT by dalebert
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I don’t have any kids.My point was that these people are not qualified to make any decision about nutrition and therefore should not be doing this.

Well technically most parents are not "qualified to make any decision about nutrition" from a professional standpoint either.

you are the ones adding to my comment when that is not what was meant.

What you implied was that if the teachers were qualified nutritionists, then they would be qualified to make decisions about confiscating sack lunches and replacing them with government approved lunches.

The schools should not be making any decisions at all about what the parents choose to feed their children. I don't care what kind of degrees in nutrition they have, it is none of their business.

You left the door open my friend. Your comment suggested that under certain circumstances confiscating sack lunches prepared by parents and replacing them with government sanctioned lunches would be apropos. This is just the kind of football the liberals would run with.

46 posted on 03/14/2012 2:30:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

you are absolutely right. the gove is not qualified and should not be allowed to do this. If it was the just the teacher interpretation it still doesn’t matter. But I do think a teacher choosing fried chicken nugges over a turkey sand is very telling ....I dont think the teacher is qualified to teach anyone


47 posted on 03/14/2012 2:41:03 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Nachum
I was thinking it was DHHS person that take the 4yr old's lunch, not a teacher?

...now I know.

48 posted on 03/14/2012 3:11:07 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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Deborah Cassidy, director of the DHHS Division of Child Development and Early Education, testified that although the teacher did not violate the state agency’s policy, her division would have recommended the teacher go about implementing it in a more tactful way.

This is a blatant lie. Cassady needs to be fired immediately. This was a GROSS violation of policy, law and everything else, by a bunch of governmnet goons against a child, and this... creature... is defending it as legitimate. She makes me sick.

“Are chicken nuggets deemed to be more nutritious than sliced turkey?” asked Sen. Louis Pate, R-Wayne.

“That’s beyond my expertise,” said Cassidy. “I’d be shooting in the dark on that one,” she added. “I don’t know.”

Later in the hearing, Cassidy explained to the committee that it was her agency’s “responsibility to educate parents” about making healthy, nutritious choices for their children.

She's in charge of nutrition education, but she doesn't know the difference between a home-made turkey sandwich and fused-gunk chicken nuggets? Oh, but it gets better - disagree with one of her goons and she'll steal your child at gunpoint. AND she can openly lie to an investigating committee and fear no reprisals for her utter contempt of any oversight.

This country has gone stark raving mad.

49 posted on 03/14/2012 6:34:03 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Aqua225
And it should be noted: I can eat sandwich meat, as long as it is cold & very fresh. But once it is not that, then I can’t handle it, at all. Gagging results, to the point of barfing in a projectile manner.

What results in gagging and projectile vomiting is reading your insidious attempts to make the actions of food gestapos, and the replacement of the authority parents with that of the state, sound reasonable.

Go lick a jackboot, you slithering communist vermin.

50 posted on 03/14/2012 6:50:55 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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