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Ariz. officials revisit Obama's birth certificate
Associated Press ^ | Wed, Mar 14, 2012 | JACQUES BILLEAUD

Posted on 03/16/2012 2:20:10 AM PDT by nosf40

PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona officials are jumping back into a persistent, yet debunked controversy over President Barack Obama's birth certificate and his eligibility to hold office. A legislative committee on Wednesday endorsed a proposal that requires presidential candidates to swear that they meet the qualifications to be the nation's chief executive. ...

In the past, political parties drafted their own certification documents that Arizona officials say didn't consistently address the issue of qualifications.

"There has been a lot of media attention devoted to this, so we wanted to make sure there is a standardized form," said Matthew Roberts, a spokesman for Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arizona; birthcertificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama

1 posted on 03/16/2012 2:20:12 AM PDT by nosf40
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To: nosf40
"into a persistent, yet debunked controversy over President Barack Obama's birth certificate"

Debunked by whom ? The public has yet to see it, aside from some forged copy "released" after enormous pressure was brought to bear.

2 posted on 03/16/2012 2:22:55 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You are preaching to the choir - ignore AP writer's bias and read new facts about efforts to verify Obama's eligibility.

The following excerpt is very interesting:

"The latest legislative effort in Arizona to confront Obama's eligibility would require political parties to file an affidavit swearing under penalty of perjury that their presidential and vice presidential candidates are qualified to hold the positions. It also would let any voter in Arizona file a lawsuit challenging an affidavit."

3 posted on 03/16/2012 2:42:12 AM PDT by nosf40
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To: nosf40
personally, i see the birth certificate as the classic red herring, since they could easily come up with a forged document (which they have). i believe they have done this to provide distraction from the real issue...

supreme court case: minor v happersett (1874)

“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

his father was never a US citizen... and therefore, at best, 0bama is just a US citizen.

but no matter how you look at it... he is NOT a natural born citizen and being on the ballot would be unConstitutional and would perpetuate a fraud on the American public

4 posted on 03/16/2012 2:44:28 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: nosf40
'Hawaii officials have regularly verified Obama's citizenship, and the White House released a copy of the president's long-form birth certificate in April in an attempt to quell the issue. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.'

Funny, AP, ya can't even get your facts right. Obama requested his Certificate of Live Birth be released, and 'it' was. Not a 'long-form birth certificate' as stated.

5 posted on 03/16/2012 2:44:50 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The MSM always plays that trick when some mortal dares to question their God BHO. They flat out lie right at the top then move on without offering any explanation or proof. They pull this sh*t all the time in interviews as well “The birth certificate has been validated as authentic now let’s move on....” And when the person being interviewed says “Wait a minute, validated by who?” they are interupted and not allowed to get two words in.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 2:47:22 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: nosf40
The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

7 posted on 03/16/2012 2:54:12 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: nosf40

“A legislative committee on Wednesday endorsed a proposal that requires presidential candidates to swear that they meet the qualifications to be the nation’s chief executive. ... “

But does it say HOW a LIAR is to be handled?


8 posted on 03/16/2012 3:00:50 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda; nosf40; Impy; BillyBoy; LS; Clintonfatigued; darkangel82; GailA; JohnnyZ; ...
Notice, too, like a DNC talking point memo, they also similarly make a "debunked" statement on Zero's religious status whenever us rubes decide to question him on it (if he's a Christian, I'm Mary Poppins). Let's face it, kids, this "President" was never vetted at all. We know less about this man than any other person in the history of the office. We don't know where he was born. We don't know about his education. We know nothing about his family, his influences and his affiliations. (Yet conversely, the media gang-raped a Vice-Presidential candidate, her family, her supporters, et al, opposed to their agenda, literally dispatching hordes to dumpster-dive in a tiny Alaskan community).

That this was allowed to happen is the greatest black mark against our national media in the history of the United States, absolutely without equal (how absurd when even the internationally notorious Pravda, the former Communist-Soviet mouthpiece, was blown away by our national media and their thorough (willful) failures). A thoroughly unknown radical who likely couldn't even receive a government security clearance as a civilian allowed to inhabit the highest office in our country. Outrageous.

9 posted on 03/16/2012 3:02:59 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: nosf40

Can you read and understand this statement enough to check yes at the end? Congratulations. You are a new voter. Shaping our future.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 3:22:02 AM PDT by allmost
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I’ve been thinking more and more about this and find it curious, that with the background checks Congressmen go through, the FBI must have known that he had numerous SSN and a forged selective service registration card. They must have seen his school records, and the Occidental College records would have clearly shown he was a foreign student.

The conclusion I’ve drawn is that he may have been on the witness protection program, but discarded that quckly.

More likely he worked for the CIA as both his grandparents worked for the CIA. That is how SADO came to meet her two husbands. Her father was a handler dealing with promising young college men from foreign lands who would later join their governments and report back to an agent of the very nation which paid for their education.

I used to read CIA reports when working for NAVSECGRU, and they were frequently from some mid-level bureaucrat in a foreign government who had been educated in the U.S.

There is a nice family photo of the Dunham family taken about 1950 - 1952, and shows Stanley Ann wearing a school uniform with the insignia to an exclusive private girls school in Lebanon. Well, Stanley Armour Dunham must have been assigned to the Embassy in Beirut. I truly doubt a furniture salesman’s wife would be so nicely dressed and the daughter wearing an exclusive Lebanese school uniform in Kansas!

There is something here we are all missing in this situation, and at this point I’m certain it involves national security. Could Obama be blackmailing the Federal government?


11 posted on 03/16/2012 3:32:02 AM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: nosf40
HEY AP! STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A FORGERY!!

Fraud was committed by the White House - get on the story AP!

12 posted on 03/16/2012 3:36:51 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: nosf40

Related:

http://www.libertyextra.com/commentary/2012/03/obama-and-the-matter-of-trust/


13 posted on 03/16/2012 4:13:54 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SatinDoll
There is a nice family photo of the Dunham family taken about 1950 - 1952, and shows Stanley Ann wearing a school uniform with the insignia to an exclusive private girls school in Lebanon.

Source? I've never seen that photo, and I've followed this closely.

14 posted on 03/16/2012 4:20:09 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fieldmarshaldj

it is a mystery to me why Obama’s enemies in high places haven’t been able to make hay out of his questionable background.

I cannot see how this bill does much. If it allows a lawsuit, that lawsuit cannot be initiated until after the fact, which would be September. Too late. The court case would drag on until after the election. Some states needed to kick him off the primary ballot and make BHO the plaintiff.


15 posted on 03/16/2012 4:21:17 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and I will not go to Illinois to campaign against MITT.)
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To: SatinDoll
Could Obama be blackmailing the Federal government?
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There is either high level blackmail or a major terrorist threat going on. Classic corruption stinks, but this one is way over the top, like being confined in a jail cell with a pissed off skunk.

16 posted on 03/16/2012 4:26:49 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Give up on fairness(in response to your post) Accept fraud. Embrace your local newscast... ? We will pump our fists comrade... The plant will bloom.


17 posted on 03/16/2012 4:29:05 AM PDT by allmost
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To: iontheball

“The latest legislative effort in Arizona to confront Obama’s eligibility would require political parties to file an affidavit swearing under penalty of perjury that their presidential and vice presidential candidates are qualified to hold the positions. It also would let any voter in Arizona file a lawsuit challenging an affidavit.”

So they “swear” that Buckwheat is eligible.(We all know he is not), then what? He swore to uphold the constitution too but he has failed to keep that promise as well.

IMPEACH or REMOVE THE BAST%RD!


18 posted on 03/16/2012 4:31:11 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: SatinDoll
There is a nice family photo of the Dunham family taken about 1950 - 1952, and shows Stanley Ann wearing a school uniform with the insignia to an exclusive private girls school in Lebanon. Well, Stanley Armour Dunham must have been assigned to the Embassy in Beirut. I truly doubt a furniture salesman’s wife would be so nicely dressed and the daughter wearing an exclusive Lebanese school uniform in Kansas!

Is this photo available publicly?

19 posted on 03/16/2012 4:37:14 AM PDT by snowsislander (Gingrich 2012.)
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To: nosf40

yet debunked controversy over President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and his eligibility to hold office.

Really? WHO debunked it? How did they debunk it? Why if it has been debunked are several States still looking into this?


20 posted on 03/16/2012 4:38:15 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
I cannot see how this bill does much.
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While it is OK to give citizens standing to challenge a candidate, the primary responsibility should be on the Secretary of State. These officials need to do their job, make a determination of eligibility, and strike the name of anyone who is ineligible. When Obama had his April 27th news conference, he took on ownership of a document which is now determined to be fraudulent. Probable cause to believe he is a felon is clearly sufficient to remove his name from the ballot.

21 posted on 03/16/2012 4:52:27 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: snowsislander; afraidfortherepublic

I’m surprised neither of you seen this photo - it has frequesntly been on Free Republic.

I don’t save photos and do not know how to link to them when posting.

I’ll ask around and see if anyone has a copy.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 5:02:02 AM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: iontheball
the primary responsibility should be on the Secretary of State. These officials need to do their job,

The problem is they did not do their job and then let the courts say that citizens have no standing. I think it could be a conspiracy.

23 posted on 03/16/2012 5:09:08 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: nosf40

From the article:”There has been a lot of media attention devoted to this, so we wanted to make sure there is a standardized form,” said Matthew Roberts, a spokesman for Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett.

It’s unclear whether other states require such forms. Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Democratic National Committee officials for comment were not immediately successful.


I am very curious if this reporter ever followed up on this. This stupid reporter might actually fall upon some real investigative reporting and realize that Obama was not actually vetted by the DNC or that the DNC was complicit in the cover-up of Obama’s inelgibility...


24 posted on 03/16/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: SatinDoll

SatinDoll sez: “There is something here we are all missing in this situation, and at this point I’m certain it involves national security. Could Obama be blackmailing the Federal government?”

Thanks for airing the CIA facet of this saga. I rarely see much exposition from that perspective, but it makes the most sense to me, given how widely and thoroughly this farce has been perpetrated. It seems to me the CIA long ago became too big to fail. And by long ago, I mean back when JFK died soon after reportedly making plans to disband the CIA.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 6:16:56 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: nosf40

Eventually the truth will come out.
A lot of people are complicit(sp?) in this and there’s gonna be a lot of fallout.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 6:27:19 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: SatinDoll

i’ve been thinking the same thing. when you look at the situation with obama, it isn’t merely one or two documents that are missing or altered, it’s basically his entire history which is a total mystery. we don’t know who the man really is. in fact, we don’t even know his real name. in addition, when whole swaths of documents on a government microfiche goes missing, passport records are missing or altered, selective service documents are altered, etc., this signals there’s some major cover-up going on. further, in addition, when there’s no reasonable explanation (other than cowardice or political bias) as to why no one in congress, the senate, the media, etc. wants to even bring the subject up much less launch an investigation, it just seems plain weird. as in REALLY weird.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 6:35:00 AM PDT by matt1
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To: afraidfortherepublic

the picture is on the long thread and been discussed in detail...including name of the schoool which i forget


28 posted on 03/16/2012 6:39:57 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: SatinDoll

http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2011/04/08/the-president-with-no-past-part-iv/


29 posted on 03/16/2012 6:45:47 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: matt1
matt1 sez: "it isn’t merely one or two documents that are missing or altered, it’s basically his entire history which is a total mystery."

That's a great placard, matt1...

OBAMA'S HISTORY = MYSTERY

What this tells me is that the ONLY way to defeat this fraud is to make a very BIG stink on the order of the Vietnam War or Civil Rights protests. Short of that, I don't see this thing ever going away.

Arpaio is correct when he says this thing is 10x bigger than Watergate (or Lewinsky, for that matter and that story ended with impeachment).

As Selwyn Duke recently suggested in the American Thinker, isn’t ONE of these statements TRUE?:

THINK ABOUT IT: Even the military wouldn't lift a finger in this matter to save the neck of one of it's brightest, most accomplished, honored and honorable officers. In fact, they refused Terry Lakin the right of discovery at his court-martial over a document that Barry purportedly released after being publicly hounded by The Donald. Doesn't the military have an obligation to protect and defend the Constitution? How much probable cause is enough?

I'm telling you: This won't go away until Birthers march in the streets in massive numbers.

30 posted on 03/16/2012 7:09:50 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: nosf40
I have wondered about President Obama's birth certificate since the 2008 presidential campaign.

1. There is the June 2007 stamped short form birth certificate that we saw during the 2008 presidential campaign.

2. Why did then Senator Obama obtain a short form in 2007?

3. That is, what happened to the birth certificate that he talked about in one of his books, the one he said he found accidentally when he was a teenager along with his health shots documents?

4. Was the one he found a long or short form birth certificate?

NOTE: I would think that his mother walked out of Kapiolani Hospital with a long form birth certificate, not a short form.

5. Did the Senator from Illinois and Harvard law graduate simply lose it?

6. Did the dog eat it?

7. Was it so damaged that he felt that he needed a new one in better condition?

8. Why did he order a short form, when, at the time, a person could easily order a long form, a long form like the one he ordered in April 2011?

9. If in 2007 all that then Senator Obama had was a short form birth certificate that he ordered from Hawaii in 2007, it means that we have no idea how many days, months, or years passed from the time he lost the long form birth certificate that his mother had when she left Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 to the time he obtained a new long form in April 2011.

10. So I'm still wondering why the Senator from Illinois, the Harvard law school graduate, and Chicago law school teacher ordered a short form birth certificate in 2007 and long form in 2011 if he already had a short form or long form in his possession.

11. The only explanation I can think of is this: He had to order both a short form in 2007 and a long form birth certificate in April 2011 because he lost the one he talked about in his book.

12. NOTE: I would think that most people order new birth certificates only when they lose the one they had.

31 posted on 03/16/2012 8:07:29 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse

“The only explanation I can think of is this: He had to order both a short form in 2007 and a long form birth certificate in April 2011 because he lost the one he talked about in his book.”

Another possiblity: He’s withholding the one he talked about in his book (duh) and he knew this could be a problem with his campaign so he got the short form thing trumped up in advance of his 2008 campaign.


32 posted on 03/16/2012 8:29:32 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: SatinDoll
“More likely he worked for the CIA as both his grandparents worked for the CIA.”

I strongly disagree. CIA are patriots, not Marxists and fellow-travellers, like the Dunhams and BHO Sr.

Gramps was an associate of KGB asset Frank Marshal Davis and Gramps had a huge extensively redacted FBI file...not what you would expect from a patriotic American CIA person.

Disclosure: I went through the complete CIA security clearance and subsequently received a “SECRET” clearance from a different agency. IMO there is no way that Barry could survive such and clearance, but there is no evidence that the FBI or any intelligence agency actually investigated Barry or that there is any statutory basis for such an investigation.

33 posted on 03/16/2012 8:54:19 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: rolling_stone

Link?


34 posted on 03/16/2012 9:10:02 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rolling_stone; SatinDoll

I have NEVER seen that photo before, and I even own BOOKS on Obama’s family. I have read a great deal about them. Somehow, I have missed that chapter of their lives altogether. They look quite happy, don’t they? In fact, that is the best looking picture I have ever seen of them.

I also missed the whole Berkeley chapter of their lives. How long were they there? Why were they there? Did Berkeley come before Mercer Island?

I lived in Berkeley between 1956 and 1968 and nearby thereafter.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 9:27:06 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Stanley Armour Dunham=grandpa went to Berkely a short time after WWII...
here is some info dont know how reliable it is
http://www.researchandideas.com/index.php?title=Stanley_Ann_Dunham


36 posted on 03/16/2012 9:50:50 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Thank you. All said and done, this is a very odd family. What was Stanley Armour Dunham doing in Berkeley, and where did he work? Did Madelyn reside there with him? They must have gone back to Ponca City, OK, after Berkeley. From Ponca City to Mercer Island? Or, from Ponca City to Beirut?


37 posted on 03/16/2012 10:14:43 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Im not sold on the Lebanon part..we had extensive discussions on one of the long threads its like 8-10000 posts long When I get time I will see if I can find it. One of the comments below the pic is a person saying that the school did not have female students till the 1970’s....

You can try googling Obama timeline there are dozens of different sites with their conclusions of timeline...


38 posted on 03/16/2012 10:26:49 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: SatinDoll

The photo depicts Stanley Ann Dunham, Stanley Ann Dunham in a school uniform with the insignia of College Notre Dame de Jamhour, a private Jesuit school in Beirut.

Yeah, Madsen covered the CIA angle a while ago.

39 posted on 03/16/2012 10:36:43 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: TexasVoter
Another possiblity: He’s withholding the one he talked about in his book (duh) and he knew this could be a problem with his campaign so he got the short form thing trumped up in advance of his 2008 campaign.

*******

Yes. I agree with you.

I think that Senator Obama from Illinois, Harvard law school graduate Obama, and 2008 presidential candidate Obama was too smart to lose such a very document such his original 1961 birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital.

My point is this: I believe that when Senator Obama ordered a new Hawaii birth certificate in June 2007, he already had his original long form birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital but he was too scared to show that one to the public, because he knew that it contained details that could be damaging to his presidential campaign.

So I believe that President Obama now has at least three birth certificates: The long one his mother received in 1961 from Kapiolani Hospital, the short one Senator Obama from Illinois ordered in June 2007, and the doctored long one President Obama ordered in April 2011 and showed to the public with great fanfare.

My question is this: Why hasn't a reporter asked President Obama why he ordered the short form in 2007 and the long form in April 2011?

40 posted on 03/16/2012 11:32:49 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: iontheball

Something big has to be happening. Why would the Repubs and SCOTUS be so quiet while Obama steals $trillions from the USA?


41 posted on 03/16/2012 12:43:17 PM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: john mirse

“I believe that when Senator Obama ordered a new Hawaii birth certificate in June 2007, he already had his original long form birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital but he was too scared to show that one to the public...”

I don’t think it is safe to assume the hospital name or anything about BHO’s birth certificate or any other element of this personal history. All we have really had until recently is suspicions and two autobiographies he allegedly wrote before he had ever accomplished anything worth archiving.

How does THAT make sense? He writes two autobio’s before he is forty, yet he didn’t see fit to keep (or release) anything from his exemplary life except for his two books.

For someone who can’t even speak to an elementary school without a teleprompter, he sure has some interesting documentary habits and literary ability.


42 posted on 03/16/2012 2:43:55 PM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: rolling_stone; SatinDoll; LucyT
That link and the alleged connection of SADO to a Lebanese school appears to come from Wayne Madsen who might be banned from FR, IIRC. He is a “truther” of questionable loyalty to the USA. Madsen knows about spy families. Note that his grandmother was deported for being a communist agitator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen

“His grandmother, who emigrated to the U.S. with his father after World War II was Victoria Madsen, a Danish communist party official. In the 1950s Victoria Madsen was deported by the FBI.”

“In 2003 he said that he had uncovered information linking the September 11 attacks to the government of Saudi Arabia as well as to Bush administration.[17] In 2005, he wrote than an unidentified former CIA agent claimed that the USS Cole was actually hit by a Popeye cruise missile launched from an Israeli Dolphin-class submarine.”

43 posted on 03/16/2012 6:18:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Theoria; afraidfortherepublic

ping...


44 posted on 03/16/2012 6:20:15 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

I have never heard of Wayne Madsen nor read anything on the internet by him.


45 posted on 03/16/2012 7:17:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SatinDoll; snowsislander; afraidfortherepublic

The photograph I was referring to is here, at post #39:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2859779/posts


46 posted on 03/16/2012 9:16:44 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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