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Obama Discovers a Problem With Marxism
FrontPage Magazine ^ | March 16, 2012 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 03/16/2012 4:59:46 AM PDT by SJackson

In an interview with WFTV, President Obama suddenly discovered what it is that has troubled Americans about Marxism for well over a century. The crucial exchange occurred when Obama was asked about gas prices. “Well, as long as gas prices are going up, people are going to feel like I’m not doing enough, and I understand that,” Obama observed. “Ultimately, though, there’s no silver bullet.”

Then came the critical question. “Your opponents say they can get gas to the $2.50 range,” said the interviewer. “What do you think Americans should be OK with?” Obama, avoiding the question, shrugged, “First of all, nobody believes that. They know that’s just politics. Anybody who says we can get gas down to two bucks a gallon just isn’t telling the truth.”

But President Obama didn’t answer the question.

The real question is why he couldn’t. After all, this is a president who has stated over and over that prices and wages should be set on the basis of fairness. He tried to claw back Wall Street bonuses because investment bankers were making more than they “deserved” to make; he says the rich should pay their “fair share.”

The problem, of course, is that nobody knows what is fair—for wages, bonuses, or gas prices. Is it really fair for some people to pay a far lower percentage of their income to the federal government than others? Is it fair that some people buy ground chuck and others New York strip?

That he struggled to say how much Americans should have to pay for gas should not have surprised the president. Economists have struggled for centuries to determine what people deserve to pay for precious commodities. . Invariably, they insist on more control of the economy, stating that the blind hand of the market simply cannot produce a fair and just system. That’s why Thomas Edison wrote, “What is wanted is some person familiar with the selling and buying, the technical as well as the financial end of all industries, to devise some generic scheme that business can work on.”

Top-down technocrats fail to understand how an undirected system can work so well. That’s because they don’t understand freedom. How can hundreds of millions of people, all pursuing their self-interest, create more wealth than hundreds of millions of people all directed toward a single end? How can fairness by achieved by seeming randomness rather than by hierarchical control of the right-minded?

The answer is deceptively simple: all those people pursuing self interest are pursuing the same end. That end is a better standard of living. If you work hard and bargain for the lowest price, you will enjoy a better standard of living. If everyone around you does it, they will too. If, however, you have a massive government standing over you, telling you who should win and who should lose, the system of incentives stops working. You no longer have to work hard to make a living if the government provides you one by taking from a third party and giving you a handout; you no longer have to bargain for lower prices if the government sets a ceiling or a floor on prices. Now, instead of everyone working for the same personal goal, everyone relies on the government to tell them what is fair. And when government decides what is fair, nothing ever is.

Now, this isn’t to say that Obama will recognize the folly of his Marxist philosophy. He won’t. He’ll ignore the internal contradiction here. He’ll maintain that while nobody can decide the fair price of gas at the pump, he can certainly decide the fair profit margin for gas companies. He’ll determine that certain executives take less pay for the good of the whole, while determining that certain teachers, police officers, firefighters, and union members make more money and are therefore able to buy more gasoline at whatever the pump price.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama

1 posted on 03/16/2012 4:59:49 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

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2 posted on 03/16/2012 5:05:19 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: SJackson
He’ll ignore the internal contradiction here.

LOL. "Take your number in the 'Marxism is a failure' cue, comrade! "

3 posted on 03/16/2012 5:06:21 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: SJackson
Marx and Engles hated those ‘dark skins’.
4 posted on 03/16/2012 5:07:48 AM PDT by allmost
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To: SJackson

Good post.

To be clear, his “opponents” saying gasoline prices can fall to $2.50 per gallon is actually one man...Newt.

With the right policies, of course, which Newt lays out to a fare thee well.

Oh what I would give to have Newt debate Obama’s absurd and America killing ideology vs. Newt’s American Energy policies, one on one, with America watching.

I know that isn’t what you posted about, but it needs to be pointed out.


5 posted on 03/16/2012 5:11:46 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: SJackson

“From each according to his abilities.....to each according to his needs.....and we’ll decide what your abilities and needs are.” Old Karl always missed that last part.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 5:14:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SJackson

Any top down command and control system (be it military or economic) is going to suffer due to information. Even if (hypothetically) you have the brightest possible people at the top making decisions, the problem is twofold:

1. Gathering, analyzing, and presenting the data in a form those people need to make decisions.
2. The time it takes to do so.

You will never be able to do #1 efficiently, even with a Chinese army of analysts. Also, #2 will be significant. The resulting time lag will create inefficienies in itself. In many cases, the state of the system will have changed before you make a decision.

And, of course, the hypothetical is not the actual. The people making the decisions will never be able to consistently make the “best” decisions even if given perfect information. This is true regardless of how many degrees they have from the top universities.

In a highly distributed system, you will have many people failing, but a few getting it right and succeeding wildly. That is is essence of Capitalism (and Blitzkreig).


7 posted on 03/16/2012 5:21:05 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SJackson
Obama has spent an adult life convincing himself that he knows what is better for you than you do. So much so, that he has chosen that as a career.

Now at this late date, he is learning that there is no silver bullet (i.e. that he doesn't know the answer to any of these complicated questions).

Shapiro is right. Obama simply doesn't understand freedom. He cannot comprehend that freedom itself is the answer to the complicated question.

He doesn't trust the wisdom of the masses. If he did, he would learn that he isn't so smart...and he certainly isn't wise.

8 posted on 03/16/2012 5:21:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: SJackson

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9 posted on 03/16/2012 5:22:26 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: txrangerette
We need Newt for our Presidential candidate, because he is the ONLY one who is able to...or WILL go for blood, when he debates “O”.

No one else in the Conservative field is better qualified or MORE INCLINED to a NO HOLDS BARRED approach in this campaign. And THAT is what is needed... it is a tactic long-overdue in countering the unprincipled and increasingly Anti-American politics of Liberals.

10 posted on 03/16/2012 5:22:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SJackson

Thanks, next time an o-hole Hussein Head tells me how great their god is, I will say, “No one believes that. Everyone knows that’s just politics.”


11 posted on 03/16/2012 5:25:25 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SJackson
I wish that one of the feckless journalists would ask Obama what kind of car he and Michelle will be buying for his daughter as soon as she gets her license. When he answers she'll have to buy her own car, let the games begin.
12 posted on 03/16/2012 5:28:32 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: SJackson

ya think? Ever notice Marxists countries haven’t any credit cards?


13 posted on 03/16/2012 5:34:17 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: SJackson

Obama skirts being pinned down:

Fox News Reporter Ed Henry: “Your critics will say on Capitol Hill that you want gas prices to go higher, because you have said before that will wean the American people off fossil fuels onto renewable fuels. How do you respond to that?”

Obama: “Ed, just from a political perspective, do you think the President of the United States, going into reelection, wants gas prices to go up even higher?” he said. Turning to the room at large, he added, “Is there anybody here who thinks that makes a lot of sense?”


14 posted on 03/16/2012 5:41:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SJackson

So now he is trying fascism?


15 posted on 03/16/2012 5:42:59 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: liberalh8ter
I've never cared much for the familial draw with concern to politics. That said, They are probably overpriced government motors. They need protection. They do not need throw away volts imo.
16 posted on 03/16/2012 5:43:53 AM PDT by allmost
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To: rbg81
And, of course, the hypothetical is not the actual. The people making the decisions will never be able to consistently make the “best” decisions even if given perfect information. This is true regardless of how many degrees they have from the top universities.

Wel, it depends on how you look at it. It is guranteed that they will make the best possible decisions for themselves

17 posted on 03/16/2012 5:44:08 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If a Republican had said that, he would have been laughed at and called delusional.


18 posted on 03/16/2012 5:44:28 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: allmost
Normally, I wouldn't approve of going there either however, against Obama it's fair game. As for Obama's answer, if he went the route of she'll have to buy her own car it would be the foundational block with which to build an "in your face" confrontation about handouts.

With regard to the Chevy Volt, I'd like to see them all brought into a large parking lot, filled with coal and set on fire.

19 posted on 03/16/2012 5:56:00 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: treetopsandroofs
And note he narrows his answer to "political perspective." Obama's religion/ideology/path forward is a green, social justice, weak U.S. but that can't be said during a campaign election.

Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

20 posted on 03/16/2012 5:56:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: liberalh8ter
If i understood you correctly, you seem too be wanting to burn perfectly good golf carts. I dont play, yet, was warned against starting, but dont kill the carts...
21 posted on 03/16/2012 6:07:36 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

I would like more information on that. That’s a great counter for Socialist libs who always revert back to U.S. slavery.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 6:15:16 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: allmost
Sorry, it's a moral imperative.
23 posted on 03/16/2012 6:19:44 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: liberalh8ter

nimby, then it’s all good. :)


24 posted on 03/16/2012 6:21:22 AM PDT by allmost
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To: SJackson

Obama wan Kenobi’s Jedi mind tricks don’t seem to be working as well as they used to.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 6:23:15 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SJackson
How can hundreds of millions of people, all pursuing their self-interest, create more wealth than hundreds of millions of people all directed toward a single end? How can fairness by achieved by seeming randomness rather than by hierarchical control of the right-minded?

The answer is deceptively simple: all those people pursuing self interest are pursuing the same end. That end is a better standard of living. If you work hard and bargain for the lowest price, you will enjoy a better standard of living. If everyone around you does it, they will too. If, however, you have a massive government standing over you, telling you who should win and who should lose, the system of incentives stops working. You no longer have to work hard to make a living if the government provides you one by taking from a third party and giving you a handout; you no longer have to bargain for lower prices if the government sets a ceiling or a floor on prices. Now, instead of everyone working for the same personal goal, everyone relies on the government to tell them what is fair. And when government decides what is fair, nothing ever is.

Life isn’t fair, period. All too often, the good die young. When government politicians decide what is fair, the inherent unfairness of life is compounded by the mendacity of the polititicians . . . leaving us in the dolorous situation described by Thomas Paine in Common Sense
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 6:23:55 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“OK, so are you saying you’d like prices to go even higher to accomplish your long term goals,

but you understand that it’s not politically expedient to say so?”


27 posted on 03/16/2012 6:24:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: allmost

Is Detroit your back yard? I’m thinking it’s best to do it there.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 6:27:19 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: liberalh8ter
To burn or not to burn, that is the question. As much as thouest recoiled from my fair ladies nimby she is and was of simple mind you see...:)
29 posted on 03/16/2012 6:37:10 AM PDT by allmost
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To: SJackson

If anyone has trouble understanding Obama’s plans for America, just think of the most “out-there” radical you’ve ever heard or read, perhaps a pipe smoking “progressive” professor, or some nut interviewed on CNN representing some group with “coalition” in its name. Whatever nonsense that fool was spouting only begins to approach the Marxist program Obama will implement during his next term(s).


30 posted on 03/16/2012 6:50:05 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: CommieCutter

If you want eugenics that lead to or stem from communism then there are hundreds of thousands of blood and tear stained pages. These are not hidden. What would you like to talk about?


31 posted on 03/16/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost
Marx and Engles hated those ‘dark skins’.

I don't know about engles but marx wasn't a racist.

Hitler and Mao were big time racists, I'm not sure about uncle joe stalin, I think he was an avowed communist that just wanted absolute power and would do anything for it.

32 posted on 03/16/2012 7:08:01 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: SJackson

Communists do not comprehend that 3 pounds of brains cannot out-think a half million tons of brains.


33 posted on 03/16/2012 7:08:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: USS Alaska

You actually read that? It’s nice, Marx, reading it and understanding it. Think about that for 2 seconds.


34 posted on 03/16/2012 7:14:24 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He’s into “social religion”, now, too.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 7:14:50 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: allmost

Always loot BEFORE burning.

(JK)


36 posted on 03/16/2012 7:16:15 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SJackson

People miss the point...Obama is more Fascist, than Socialist.....he loves Corporatism.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 7:18:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

2012 hoodlums getting warmed up.


38 posted on 03/16/2012 7:20:10 AM PDT by allmost
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To: USS Alaska

Wow. You think that? He was no racist? Fairy tale comes to mind, please smack some sense into me....


39 posted on 03/16/2012 7:24:43 AM PDT by allmost
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To: RoosterRedux
Obama has spent an adult life convincing himself that he knows what is better for you than you do. So much so, that he has chosen that as a career. Now at this late date, he is learning that there is no silver bullet (i.e. that he doesn't know the answer to any of these complicated questions).

Shapiro is right. Obama simply doesn't understand freedom. He cannot comprehend that freedom itself is the answer to the complicated question.

He doesn't trust the wisdom of the masses. If he did, he would learn that he isn't so smart...and he certainly isn't wise.

That was such a profound statement of such clarity that I thought it needed to be posted again.

Well said, sir!

40 posted on 03/16/2012 8:29:23 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: allmost

I would just like to know if Marx actually used those words or described African Americans in a way that would be interpreted as inferior.

So sick of this racist garbage it would be a nice talking point to throw in their faces.


41 posted on 03/16/2012 9:32:26 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: CommieCutter

If you look for it, you will find it. Marx was a POS who resented everyone due to his own childish failures. Engels was bad but, more lazy. What would you like to find?


42 posted on 03/16/2012 10:43:17 AM PDT by allmost
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