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Rick Santorum has come to take away your freedom (LEFTY GOES APOPLECTIC !!!)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | March 16, 2012 | Junior Marxist NEIL STEINBERG nsteinberg@suntimes.com

Posted on 03/16/2012 10:23:47 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

Religion is very good at telling you what to do and how to live. Your leisure time, if you so choose, can be completely absorbed in matters of ritual, practice and belief. Nobody stops you.

I’m biased, but I believe the Jewish faith has a particular genius for this. There are morning prayers and evening prayers, complex dietary laws, 613 commandments direct from God covering every aspect of life, plus an ancient language to master, enormous books of commentary to study and debate.

You do get to sleep, however.

Don’t get me wrong; other faiths will keep you busy, too. Muslims pray five times a day, have their own dietary restrictions, plus other duties, such as pilgrimages to Mecca. Christians have services and confessions, summer camps and vespers, candles to light, shrines to tend, hymns to sing.

Whichever faith you practice, there are real, undeniable benefits: Following a religion gives you not just lots of stuff to do, but structure, community and meaning. I’d never be hostile to faith — life’s a tough, long road. You need something to pass the time and find comfort during adversity. Religion is as good as anything else, if not better.

That said, not everybody wants to embrace ritual and arcane belief, and so religious practice is voluntary. Children can be forced to go to Sunday school — I forced mine — but adults are on their own, so most shrug and ignore big swaths of their faiths. Most Jews do not keep Kosher, most Christians don’t regularly attend church, most Muslims never make that trip to Mecca.

We take it for granted, but this freedom to pick and choose what we believe and do is a privilege not found in all corners of the world and a fairly recent development, historically, one that countless heroic individuals over centuries fought and died for. They struggled to pry the hands of powerful religious leaders away from the tools of legal compulsion, which is what government does.

Government fills your time too, with its own expectations and requirements. But these are not exhortations. They’re laws. The IRS doesn’t have pastors hectoring the public about the importance of paying taxes. It doesn’t need them; it can put you in jail. Mayor Rahm Emanuel doesn’t bother with advocates standing at street corners, handing out tracts urging you to drive the speed limit. He’s installing cameras. Who needs the threat of hell when you’ve got the cops?

Thus anyone — such as Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum, who blows into town Friday — who suggests we get church and state back together, who wants the stick of government to enforce a particular faith, is guilty of the worst kind of historical ignorance. He’s a doctor juggling vials of smallpox, a drug company urging pregnant women to calm their nerves with Thalidomide, a Southerner suggesting that black folk might be happier as slaves. His big issues — fighting birth control and gay marriage, condemning sex for pleasure — are not good social policy. They’re not important for the effective running of our country. They’re aspects of his extreme brand of Catholic doctrine, and he’s pretending that people aren’t completely free to embrace or reject them on their own, and they need to be helped by the government using its coercive authority, and that the reluctance of the law to enforce his religion, say through health care policy, is oppression. It’s not.

Americans are a polite people — to a fault, really — and used to the clamor of various religions. We usually don’t argue about the trappings of faith, out of respect, so can overlook it when, for instance, a certain group is screaming “abortion is murder” and changing laws to yank non-believers into line, when abortion is not murder; it is a legal medical procedure that most women in the world have access to and most women in America expect to have available.

Many Americans who value their freedoms, who do not want an American Taliban to begin enforcing one religion, are terrified by Santorum. That seems premature. To me, his popularity is a trick of the eye. Santorum won the Mississippi Republican primary this week, receiving 94,000 votes in a state of 2.9 million. Since most people are not focused on faith but busy with their secular lives, they can initially overlook that a social extremist and religious fanatic is striding toward the White House, his only goal — judging from his rhetoric — to corrupt our government and use it to enforce his own faith’s strident moral predilections. But I have my own strong faith; faith that the American people will eventually wake up, notice what’s happening and send this guy back to church, where he belongs.


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Steinberg is making up his little-known facts again.
1 posted on 03/16/2012 10:23:54 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

I see similar anti-Santorum talking points from some of his critics on FR.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 10:26:43 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Chi-townChief

why does this guy’s news story resemble many of the Anti-Santorum comments made here on FR?


3 posted on 03/16/2012 10:28:39 AM PDT by parksstp (I pick RIck! (If he's good enough for Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh, he's good enough for me))
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To: Chi-townChief

Rick Santorum has come to take away your freedom... Project we much!


4 posted on 03/16/2012 10:28:48 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Chi-townChief
who suggests we get church and state back together, who wants the stick of government to enforce a particular faith

Step away from the crack-pipe...

5 posted on 03/16/2012 10:28:48 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Chi-townChief
Steinberg is making up his little-known facts again.

Like this whopper?

who wants the stick of government to enforce a particular faith

6 posted on 03/16/2012 10:29:05 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Chi-townChief
Religion is very good at telling you what to do and how to live.

Given the choice between Christianity and Barrackstianity, I'll take my chances with the true God.
7 posted on 03/16/2012 10:29:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dirtboy

Rick Santorum: Energizing the left’s base since 1990.


8 posted on 03/16/2012 10:29:33 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dirtboy

Paulbots?


9 posted on 03/16/2012 10:30:05 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: parksstp; dirtboy

Sadly, I agree with both or your comments.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: dirtboy

Yeah, I found some FR anti-Santorum fanboys too but they make their case against him interesting enough.

Lefties just grab lies out of their assses and that’s the difference..


11 posted on 03/16/2012 10:32:50 AM PDT by max americana
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Rick Santorum: Energizing the left’s base since 1990.

We don't want to piss off the devil and his minions, do we? Let's just pretend God and faith and values don't matter and we can go the way of Rome about 400 AD.

12 posted on 03/16/2012 10:34:05 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Chi-townChief

Whenever some libtard goes apoplectic over my candidate, I have to feel like I’m on to something.


13 posted on 03/16/2012 10:34:21 AM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: frogjerk
We don't want to piss off the devil and his minions, do we?

LOL oh noes!

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14 posted on 03/16/2012 10:35:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Chi-townChief

The Left, which is the ideology of bans and mandates, always seems to project that propensity onto the Right, which is the ideology of choice, freedom, and voluntarism.

It’s both instructive and hilarious that they do this time and time again and never learn why and how we are different than them.

This gross misunderstanding of conservatism is also at the heart of the whole “contraception debate.” When George Stephanopolous asked the question at the debate whether or not states had the right to ban contraception, everyone said “of course they do, they can ban anything they’d like” the Left automatically assumed that meant the candidates WOULD ban contraception because with that much power, that’s what the Left would do.

The Left bans and mandates everything they don’t like and they assume everyone would do the same thing if given the power to do so. We prefer freedom.


15 posted on 03/16/2012 10:39:11 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: frogjerk

The point I was making is that everytime Rick opens his mouth more of the people that were dissatisfied with Obama, and not likely to get out to vote for him in the fall become re energized. They will crawl to the polls in the fall to vote against Rick. A very valid point.


16 posted on 03/16/2012 10:39:53 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Chi-townChief

This article will not dissuade one Santorum supporter. In fact, he has just steeled their resolve to vote for him no matter what.

I don’t especially like Rick Santorum. I hope that when the primaries reach my state I will be able to vote for Newt. But articles like this, so over-the-top, are just ridiculous. I didn’t like it when Newt was painted as a wild-eyed lunatic lurching from one crazy idea to the next. And I hate it that a candidate, even one I dislike, is compared to a slaveholder or doctor juggling smallpox.


17 posted on 03/16/2012 10:41:10 AM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Chi-townChief

What is this guy going to do if Santorum snuffs out his access to underage girls having sex on the internet? Commit suicide?


18 posted on 03/16/2012 10:42:18 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Rick Santorum: Energizing the left’s base since 1990.

Yeah, the contraception issue did wonders for Obama's approval numbers.

19 posted on 03/16/2012 10:43:58 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Chi-townChief

Actually we should start a mantra and cry out “the left wants to murder your baby”. At least we would be telling the truth.


20 posted on 03/16/2012 10:45:28 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
The point I was making is that everytime Rick opens his mouth more of the people that were dissatisfied with Obama, and not likely to get out to vote for him in the fall become re energized. They will crawl to the polls in the fall to vote against Rick. A very valid point.

Drones are drones and they will come out to vote for their King no matter what because they will have fellow drones knocking on their doors and driving to the polls so your point if vapid. Fighting requires fighting not non-fighting.

Are we going to fight for our country or just "hope" we don't rouse the enemies suspicion?

21 posted on 03/16/2012 10:45:49 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Kazan

Obama’s poll numbers are down because of the economy.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 10:46:34 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dirtboy

Installing portable defibrillators for libs and Rhinos on the streets of America should be Santorum’s first plan as POTUS.


23 posted on 03/16/2012 10:46:43 AM PDT by God'sgrrl (twitter.com/Women4Santorum)
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To: MNnice

Funny that he was wading in the difference between conservatives and liberals the whole time when describing how religious people exhort others to behave a certain way,

whilst the left, secularists, prefer to use the threat of deadly force through the use of government to force others to behave a certain way.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 10:50:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
The point I was making is that everytime Rick opens his mouth more of the people that were dissatisfied with Obama, and not likely to get out to vote for him in the fall become re energized.

Where's the evidence for that? Obama tried to claim there was a war on contraception and it blew up in this his face. His approval numbers have been going down ever since.

25 posted on 03/16/2012 10:50:39 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Obama’s poll numbers are down because of the economy.

So, Obama is going to unsuccessful if he tries to run on social issues if the economy continues to struggle?

26 posted on 03/16/2012 10:53:15 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: frogjerk

“Drones are drones and they will come out to vote for their King no matter what..”

There are many voters that were fooled by Obama’s “hope and change” baloney, and are very dissatisfied with him. They were not going to turn out to vote for Obama. There are many on the left that are dissatisfied with his leadership. They were not going to turn out to vote for him.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 10:54:21 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Kazan

Obama would love to turn the discussion from a collapsing economy to social issues.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 10:57:52 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dirtboy

Liberals worrying about our freedom are like hookers worrying about their virginity.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: Chi-townChief

A typical liberal screed.


30 posted on 03/16/2012 11:02:14 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Now Rick is going off on “internet porn.” Please, spare me. First it’s that, next it’s foul language on cable TV, then we’re back to ratings on music cds...etc, ad nausium.


31 posted on 03/16/2012 11:06:40 AM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Kazan

“Where’s the evidence for that? Obama tried to claim there was a war on contraception and it blew up in this his face. His approval numbers have been going down ever since.”

First, how can I provide proof of something that has not occurred yet? My speculation is based on what many Republican strategists are saying. Rick is re energizing people that voted for Obama in 2008, are dissatisfied by his leadership, and are unlikely to vote for him again.

Second, correlation is not causation. Just because Obama’s numbers went down around the same time as the “war on woman” thing does not mean said war caused his numbers to go down.


32 posted on 03/16/2012 11:16:26 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: cripplecreek
Given the choice between Christianity and Barrackstianity, I'll take my chances with the true God.

Beautiful, cripplecreek! Well said!

33 posted on 03/16/2012 11:42:46 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
My speculation is based on what many Republican strategists are saying.

The same establishment types that keep telling us Romney in inevitable and the only candidate that can beat Obama?

34 posted on 03/16/2012 11:51:20 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Obama would love to turn the discussion from a collapsing economy to social issues.

Nope, Obama is a loser on both issues. Anyway, Obama isn't interested in "discussing" anything.

35 posted on 03/16/2012 11:57:54 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Kazan

Sigh. Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 12:04:22 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: frogjerk

The majority of people are concerned about putting food on the table, feeding their family, and putting a roof over their families’ heads (real family values). This is what Obama does not want the election to be about. His stewardship of the economy. Unemployment. Debt. Gas prices. The growth of government.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 12:10:49 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: tbpiper
He really wants the state to enforce standards set by the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA) and it's Reform Judaism doppelganger.
38 posted on 03/16/2012 12:24:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kazan

Gas prices blew up Obama’s numbers. His and the left’s attack on the comments by Rush were raising his numbers. The comments of Rush and others turned a conflict where Tim Dolan and the Bishopa were going to thrash Obama into one where they were accused of approving Rush’s rhetoric. Mr. Santorum’s rhetoric has the same effect. He doesn’t think before he speaks and his words raise concern that he will use the power of govt to enforce his vision of morality.


39 posted on 03/16/2012 12:35:18 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Kazan

Gas prices blew up Obama’s numbers. His and the left’s attack on the comments by Rush were raising his numbers. The comments of Rush and others turned a conflict where Tim Dolan and the Bishopa were going to thrash Obama into one where they were accused of approving Rush’s rhetoric. Mr. Santorum’s rhetoric has the same effect. He doesn’t think before he speaks and his words raise concern that he will use the power of govt to enforce his vision of morality.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 12:35:21 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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Mr. Santorum’s rhetoric has the same effect. He doesn’t think before he speaks

That's nonsense. Santorum didn't bring up the contraception issue and isn't out on the campaign trial taking about internet porn. The liberal media, Obama and Romney-supporters like Drudge and the Daily Caller and making an issue of all that.

And, your opinion isn't based in the polls. Rasmussen had Santorum within one point yesterday. He is ahead in four battleground states 48-44% in a Rasmussen poll out today.

41 posted on 03/16/2012 12:40:32 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Chi-townChief
(Article) Many Americans who value their freedoms, who do not want an American Taliban to begin enforcing one religion, are terrified by Santorum.

Finally, he gets to the payoff.

This is a left-wing McGuffin, one they all use -- and it's proof positive he's preaching to the choir, riling up the "stay out of my (gay) bedroom!" folks . (As if Treasury agents would stay out of your/my bedroom if I/you told them someone was printing do-it-yourself Benjamins in there.)

The idea of an American Taliban is ridiculous, laughable -- the U.S. has already experienced more religious stringency and exclusivity in the heyday of Congregationalism in New England, Presbyterianism in the Middle Atlantic States, and Baptist churches in the Southeast and South.

The idea that any of these groups -- now or ever -- would "go Taliban" when they didn't in the past with better followership and better church attendance, is a bad, really bad, joke.

What it is, is a boogeyman for a certain group of scientific materialists, which is used to remind them not of the menace of theism, but of their own intellectual pride, arrogance, and rejection of theism and theists. It is they who are intolerant, and this stuff about "American Taliban" coming to get us, is just cover for their own nastiness, which is being measured out to believing theists every day in the public space by intolerant materialists.

The Pew people just proved and published that it's liberals who are the nasty, intolerant ones ..... but I kinda missed that story on ABC News last night, and the day before, and the day before that!

42 posted on 03/16/2012 1:11:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: xkaydet65
...[Santorum's] words raise concern that he will use the power of govt to enforce his vision of morality.

Yeah, that used to be called "public morals" back before homosexuals and libertines began using the power of government to enforce their vision of depravity as the basic public morality.

43 posted on 03/16/2012 1:15:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: MrB
Exactly the writer's point. He has no problem with moral exhortation, but doesn't want "cops" telling us how to live any more than the rest of us do. His whole issue is, don't let the two become one. Whether Santorum would do so, given his rant about enforcing laws against porn, is an open question, but it is a matter of judgment, not fact.
44 posted on 03/16/2012 1:22:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: trappedincanuckistan
If Santorum wanted to attack obama and actually do something useful he would be talking about the new rule forbidding farm children from working on their own farms. He would be condemning the mentality that causes police to shut down children's lemonade stands. He would be attacking the petty bureaucrats who are destroying organic farm co-ops because they aren't controlled by the Dept of Agriculture.

Instead he's babbling about English in Puerto Rico, and banning internet porn, and who knows what's next.

45 posted on 03/16/2012 1:32:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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who suggests we get church and state back together

The author is clearly attempting to set the premise, a neat, but often poorly applied debating trick.

The premise should not be accepted n any way. It is currently the state that is attempting to put state and church together by telling the church what they have to buy plain and simple.

The church would rather not be directed by the state and instead be left on it's own. It is not infringing on anyones rights by not paying for abortions, etc. It's simply choosing to not do something.

Only in a spinmasters mind can that be twisted into Santorum wanting to implement Catholic sharia law across the US.

We need to reject their premise at every stage - especially when it is so obvious...

46 posted on 03/16/2012 2:40:29 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: lentulusgracchus

So let’s allow ther Federal Govt to enforce a POTUS’ vision of how we should live our lives. Isn’t that what we’re fighting against? Or does it matter whch side your on. The Right can use state power to coerce behavior. I am for defining the limits on federal behavior and protecting individual liberty. I always thought that was what FR was about.


47 posted on 03/16/2012 3:09:25 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: trappedincanuckistan

A good barometer of a true conservative is the outrage level of the left.


48 posted on 03/16/2012 3:33:23 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Gee.

You are upset that the left uses government to force their morality on you.

So, you’re response is to pick someone that wants to use government to force their morality on you.

Tell me again how that makes *ANY* sort of sense!?!

That’s just like hating Obama(D)... and then voting for Obama(R). It’s the same coin, but different sides.


49 posted on 03/16/2012 6:54:18 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Bingo!

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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

- C.S. Lewis

50 posted on 03/16/2012 6:57:03 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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