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Afghanistan massacre suspect named as Sgt Robert Bales
BBC ^ | 16MAR12 | N/A

Posted on 03/16/2012 3:53:49 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater

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To: ncfool

Now that he’s been ID’d, I’d imagine his family will be in danger, due to the fact your government has allowed in tens of thousands of Muslims.

In fact, Bush after 911, allow in more Muslims than the previous two decades.

Thanks Mr. Boosh.


151 posted on 03/16/2012 8:20:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: PapaBear3625; JoanneSD; Future Snake Eater
42 posted on Friday, March 16, 2012 6:55:15 PM by PapaBear3625: “You think it’s a good idea to put a pic of him on a public forum? Unless his pic is already plastered throughout the media?”

The New York Times found and used another photograph of him on the internet: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/world/asia/afghan-shooting-suspect-identified-as-army-staff-sgt-robert-bales.html

There's also a photo of him in training at Fort Irwin taken by the 28th Mobile Public Affairs Detachment which has been used in the media, and there are probably others as well. In other words, his photo is already out there. However, Capt. “FSE,” except that the ranks on the uniforms are outdated, your photo is better than the one the New York Times found, which means Free Republic got the best photo out there of SSG Bales. Take that as a compliment.

Hopefully Army Public Affairs will soon release an official DA photo of him in his Class A uniform so all these other photos recede into the background.

2 posted on Friday, March 16, 2012 5:57:57 PM by JoanneSD: “Fort Leavenworth, I dont think the guy who massacured 13 at Fort Hood, including a pregnant lady, went to Leavenworth.. in fact have not heard much about the muslim, Pray for this soldier and his family.”

Maximum security can be important for the protection of the inmate. Not only can he not get out, nobody can get to him, either.

At this early date, much will be speculation. I do not want to second-guess Army decisions on protecting SSG Bales and his family — keeping this under wraps for nearly a week must have been extraordinarily difficult.

Again, thanks to Future Snake Eater and others on this thread for their service. None of us yet know what happened with SSG Bales, but I suspect in the next few weeks and months many of us on Free Republic will be grateful for the often-maligned work of defense attorneys, and for the presumption of being innocent until proven guilty, and for America being a country of laws and not of men.

I've covered a fair number of courts-martial as well as more civilian court cases than I can count. People who are accused deserve a fair trial and while no system is perfect, I'm confident about the court martial system in ways I am not about the civilian courts with grossly overworked prosecutors and courts which churn people through at far higher numbers than the military.

152 posted on 03/16/2012 8:24:58 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Future Snake Eater; onedoug

Thanks for the info.


153 posted on 03/16/2012 8:26:26 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: Future Snake Eater

Thank you for sharing what you know about Bales. I showed this to my husband (retired Army), and he just kept saying “Yep. Yep.” What you’ve said is exactly what we already thought. The anonymous soldier has been in my prayers. Now that his name is out there, I think Bales will be in my prayers for a long time.


154 posted on 03/16/2012 8:30:15 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: butterdezillion

Well, I don’t know about all that, butterdezillion. I just wondered if this could be typical from someone suffering from PTSD....I don’t know, but others on this thread who have served might have more insight than I would.


155 posted on 03/16/2012 8:39:27 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Future Snake Eater

I don’t think we have the full story. This story doesn’t make sense. I just can’t imagine someone just walking off post in a war-zone all on his own, walking past sentries unchallenged, etc. Too many things just don’t seem to add up.

God bless you for your Service!

Alan


156 posted on 03/16/2012 8:43:15 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Girlene

Hopefully if they’ll do they’ll let us know how this fits the PTSD profile.


157 posted on 03/16/2012 8:43:56 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Another thing that doesn’t add up is that they did a head count and were only missing one person but several witnesses said they saw 2 people at the scene of the crimes. Who was the other person, if not somebody from on base?

And them seeing anybody is, by itself, goofy because of the rampage being done in the wee hours of the morning. Why were people awake and outside to observe what was going on in their neighbor’s house at 3AM?

Makes me think of the Haditha scene where the little girl said they were all waiting for the IED to go off. Somebody had wondered if the Afghans had set up this soldier somehow. There would still be the question of why he turned himself in though.

The stories just don’t make sense.


159 posted on 03/16/2012 8:51:46 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: windcliff

ping...


160 posted on 03/16/2012 8:53:26 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: butterdezillion; Future Snake Eater

I think it would be best if we commented on this through FRmail. I don’t want to get Future Snake Eater in trouble.


161 posted on 03/16/2012 8:59:04 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Radiated Spam
>>If it was up to me I would reinstate the draft.<<

Most of the people I hear saying that are libs wanting our government leader's sons and daughters drafted. We do have leaders who have children serving. You just don't hear about them.

163 posted on 03/16/2012 9:31:00 PM PDT by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: DustyMoment

We could never have the multiple deployment problem again if we stay out of multi-decade wars with no actual goal to win.
That said I can apppreciate his service, but there is no mitigating circumstance fro murdering 16 people including 9 children.


164 posted on 03/16/2012 9:35:18 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Respectfully;
Sgt. Or Ssgt Bales seems, from the bits reported of his carreer, to have suffered more than the usual soldier's burden for the Republic. Having a severe concussive injury is enough to produce some very bad effects long after the event if the injured party is exposed to a protracted period of extreme stress. It has been reported that this soldier tried to not be deployed for the forth time citing unresolved stress but that this was dismissed by the Army psychological/medical types. Shame upon those who have exposed the combat forces until so many are on the verge of collapse or will bear the psychological scars for the rest of their lives.
165 posted on 03/16/2012 9:36:21 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: cva66snipe

Yes the Army does prescribe Anti depressants for PTSD. I had a friend go through this in Afghanistan. Was an NCO, stepped on a pressure plate that fatally wounded 2 others and he was messed up. First thing they do is prescribe anti-depressants. by the way - this was his 3rd deployment. 1 to Iraq and 2nd time in Afghanistan.


166 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:28 PM PDT by rlferny
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To: cva66snipe

Yes the Army does prescribe Anti depressants for PTSD. I had a friend go through this in Afghanistan. Was an NCO, stepped on a pressure plate that fatally wounded 2 others and he was messed up. First thing they do is prescribe anti-depressants. by the way - this was his 3rd deployment. 1 to Iraq and 2nd time in Afghanistan.


167 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:48 PM PDT by rlferny
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To: mojo114

I thank you for our wounded, ill, injured and dying. The SSFOA leaves no one behind. Even the dying. Prayer Blankets from the Chaplains for our hospice vets.

Its a good organization

Thank you my FRiend


168 posted on 03/16/2012 9:45:15 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: dewawi
...fighting with their hands tied behind their backs compliments of the socialist turncoat in the Oval Office.

Sounds like Vietnam....SOP.

169 posted on 03/16/2012 9:50:19 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: cva66snipe
The human mind is capable of only so much carnage before undesirable results surface. One of the first is PTSD. You can not get over PTSD in weeks, months, or in some cases a few years. No pill can really stop it as it is a decompressing of sorts of looking at events and putting them where they belong. Re-injury during this process compounds it. That is true no matter what circumstances lead up too PTSD.

Whenever I see the term PTSD, or Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, I am reminded of a rant by the late George Carlin, who while, was a lefty, identified one of the things that has also been a sore spot for me, the watering down of the language over time:

"I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protest themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that. There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called 'Shell Shock.' Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, 'shell shock'. Almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago.

Then a whole generation went by and the Second World War came along and very same combat condition was called 'battle fatigue.' Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! -- Battle fatigue.

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison Avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called 'Operational Exhaustion.' Hey, were up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it 'shell shock', some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha."

I would add to Carlin's observation, that now we don't even say the eight syllables, we've got it down now to a four-letter acronym: PTSD.

170 posted on 03/16/2012 9:54:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Thank you for your service and for taking the time to share this with us. I’ll keep him and his family in my prayers.


171 posted on 03/16/2012 10:02:52 PM PDT by azishot
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To: quickquiver

I don’t know if this helps, but I think there is something to Afghanistan, China, Minerals.

Drugs come into it, too but that is more Soros, in my opinion (or whatever others). I’m sure Soros stands to make money from it somehow...
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Soros and drug legalization:

A few billionaires—not broad grassroots support—started and sustain the medical”marijuana and drug legalization movements in the United States.Without their money and influence, the drug legalization movement would shrivel. According to National Families in Action, four individuals– George Soros, Peter Lewis, George Zimmer and John Sperling – contributed $1,510,000 to the effort to pass a “medical” marijuana law in California in 1996, a sum representing nearly 60
per cent of the total contributions.

In 2000, The New York Times interviewed Ethan Nadelmann, Director of the Lindesmith Center. Responding to criticism that the medical marijuana issue is a stalking horse for drug legalization, Mr.Nadelmann stated: “Will it help lead toward marijuana legalization?. . . I hope so.”

Heroin Works Better Than Methadone, So Why Won’t Politicians Allow It?
Mar 12, 2012 3:31 PM EDT
Yet another study shows it’s both cheaper and more effective to treat heroin addicts with heroin itself, instead of methadone. Jesse Singal on why politicians still won’t accept it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/12/heroin-works-better-than-methadone-so-why-won-t-politicians-allow-it.html
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China interests in Afghanistan: By the end of 2006, China and Afghanistan had signed contracts worth $141.82 million. The pace of that investment has accelerated in recent years.

In 2007, ZTE and Huawei, both Chinese telecom companies, signed contracts for technology upgrades and mobile devices worth $10 million with an Afghan telecom company.

Attracting the most attention lately, though, has been a project that State-owned Metallurgical Corporation of China (MCC) set up with the Jiangxi Copper Company. The two firms plan to spend $4.39 billion to tap one of the biggest copper mines in Afghanistan through a joint venture, MCC-JCL Aynak Minerals. It is the largest pledge of foreign direct investment in Afghanistan.

Work on the mine has not begun yet. Even so, the project has been listed in the Afghanistan Ministry of Finance’s draft budget statement for 2011 as one of three sources of revenue for national development, alongside “domestic revenue” and “donor grants”.

usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-09/21/content_13745143.htm

And yes, China has been depending on US for security.


172 posted on 03/16/2012 10:05:10 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Radiated Spam
Thank you so much for your service. Many of us are very grateful for your service to this country.

I don't want a draft BUT I do want a much larger Military (fighting 3 fronts at the same time for 5 years with one year rotation). This would be at the expense of the dead weights on Medicaid, Food Stamps, Free Contraceptives, Free Phones, and HUD. While we are at it shut down Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency, Energy Department, Department of Agriculture, etc.

I will not comment on Sgt Robert Bales' situation. Whatever happened, Sgt Bales was reacting to cumulative events perpetrated to him and his comrades in arms by the Muslim enemy over the past 10 years with minimum support from this country.

My prayers for Sgt Bales, his family and all his comrades in arms. A-stan just got much more complicated and I don't have faith in our leaders to improve the situation for our Troops and our country.

173 posted on 03/16/2012 10:09:33 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: When do we get liberated?

At the risk of insulting you, have you ever been to war? I’m going to jump out in front and assume that you have, so you have probably seen some pretty terrible things, just as I have.

I remember when I was going through SERE school as part of my aircrew training. We were taught a lot of survival skills and spent the last 24 hours of the school in a simulated POW camp. Simulated. 24 hours. I was shocked by the number of guys who “broke” during “interogation” by the camp guards (school instructors).

Months later, I realized that what we had experienced was kindergarten compared to what a week in the Hanoi Hilton would have been like. And, yet, guys broke and we were in the state of California with no one shooting at us!

I don’t condone what SSgt. Bales did, but I also can’t and won’t hold him solely responsible. As I said before, I hold his superiors as much or more responsible for sending a man who had suffered a brain injury back into a war zone on his 4th deployment. We all have our breaking points and I believe that SSgt. Bales hit his.

What happened to those civilians should not be completely heaped on him, even though he alledgedly acted alone. There’s PLENTY of blame to be handed out in Washington!!


174 posted on 03/16/2012 10:25:24 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: rlferny
Yes the Army does prescribe Anti depressants for PTSD. I had a friend go through this in Afghanistan. Was an NCO, stepped on a pressure plate that fatally wounded 2 others and he was messed up. First thing they do is prescribe anti-depressants. by the way - this was his 3rd deployment. 1 to Iraq and 2nd time in Afghanistan.

If he was in the hospital being treated with them that's one thing. If he was with his unit taking them that should be stopped. There is the very real possibility of an adverse reaction called Serotonin Syndrome. Serotonin is a chemical of which 98% is in the stomach for digestion. Antidepressants can cause it to migrate to the brain. When this happens it is like LSD in the havoc it creates in the mind.

This is not Junk Science it is proves long time known medical fact. Also a person lets saw taking Zoloft develops a sinus allergy or head cold and takes something like Nyquil with an antidepressant that too can trigger it.

175 posted on 03/16/2012 10:51:30 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: jesseam
PTSD is a horrible thing. My last combat exposure was five years ago and I still drop whenever a sudden noise occurs; God help the Sargeant. OIF vet

"Sergeant" is the way we spell it. Forty-three years in the military? You were saying...

176 posted on 03/16/2012 11:10:01 PM PDT by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: dfwgator
Shell Shock is likely not the same thing as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. They most likely have very differing causes but simular symptoms. I have had both and still have what some would call shell shock had I been in combat. The PTSD I managed to get over only after 5 years of therapy. No I do not claim that part of it to my military service. That was due to some bad events that happened in my life for 10 year after I got out.

Shell Shock? That part I do say my service had somewhat to do with. I worked in very loud machinery spaces and continues the same after I got out of the service. I was also exposed to 155MM Full Battery Fire about 50 ft from the guns with ears unprotected. This wasn't the impact but rather the firing I heard. I was asleep in the back of the 5 ton when the fire mission went off.

What is seen as Shell shock? An over reaction mainly too loud sudden noises? Usually associated with Artillery Units. The person hears a certain frequency noise and reacts. That is actually more likely Neurological Damage to the Vestibular System including Inner Ear and Ear Drums.

This can and it will trigger what is commonly called Panic or Anxiety Attacks. The body has a bad startle reflex too the events it can not handle. So how would I know? LOL Well the same time the PTSD hit me the other did as well. Certain noises, tones at certain frequencies would put me literally into seizures. "The Jerk" as one poster in here calls them is the brains response to an exaggerated by the Vestibular System Sensory Impulse. It is very real. It is also likely the most common reason for non phobic panic but rather sensory induced as in auditory induced panic attacks.

The reason this was not as such an issue before except in places like combat units is several factors one of which is technology. Or sense are bombarded literally everywhere we go. You actually could even have a touch of it and not realize it.

It does tend to hit persons though who as kids had sinus allergies, ear infections, etc where damage to the Vestibular System occurred. Vestibular Scientist or researchers are starting to put the pieces together and figure out that this is often mistaken in kids as ADD ADHD. The good new s is these kids and adults do not need Ritalin to treat it.

I know the truth of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I write the letters PTSD because on many forms such as Medical History it takes less space in an already limited place to list disorders. I also write G.A.D. which means General Anxiety Disorder. The doctor knows the abbreviations.

177 posted on 03/16/2012 11:26:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: jesseam

You might want too read Post #177. You could have something else triggering it also.


178 posted on 03/16/2012 11:29:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Whoever released this man's name is a traitor to the United States of America.

We are fighting thugs who don't abide by the Geneva Convention. This man's family, friends, neighbors, ect... will now become targets for sleepers.

Yeah, he may be safe in Leavenworth but I guarantee his family, friends, and co-workers aren't given the same protection.

In my opinion, this is an impeachable offense. Eric Holder, Leon Panneta and Barack Obama should all be charged for treason! This isn't a BJ in the Oval Office, this is putting American citizens on a hit list.

Meanwhile, Holder will keep on pestering NYPD to quit stopping terrorist attacks.

We need to quit the in fighting. Obama needs to be defeated. This guy wants our troops dead, never forget the Navy Seals murdered in that helicopter that all military experts state they never should have been on.

Under the Constitution Zero would be immediately arrested by the Secret Service along with his crooked Attorney General and they would be put on trial from treason against the USA.

179 posted on 03/17/2012 12:02:45 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!! Go Blackhawks!!!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

People should live by “Dont judge a man til you walked a mile in his shoes”.
I doubt the real truth will ever be told by this regime about this. They will lie,cheat and steal on a epic level to conceal the truth.
Military people beware: You have no friends with this admin.


180 posted on 03/17/2012 12:36:44 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: DustyMoment; All

Back in the mid ‘70’s, I was at the AF Academy. Every one of us was required to go through SERE during the summer following our doolie (freshman) year. The POW phase was NOT fun.

What you described about people snapping during such training is dead on. I know, because the next two years I was actually a SERE instructor; an “interrogator” in the POW camp.

Know that the AF Academy’s SERE school/training was, by far, the largest in the US military. It was very, very good and very, very thorough.

I was trained by professional military interrogators....and I learned well. We had oversight by men who, up until recently (at the time) were “guests” at the Hanoi Hilton. Yep....the real deal; guys who had recently lived it and kept us on track: they helped us ensure realism, yet made sure things stayed in line. When I was later leading a team of interrogators myself, I understood the importance of what we were doing (TRAINING these guys, and hopefully teaching them things that would save their lives later).

I personally made people snap; completely lose it....like most could not believe. We had one very hard case; a West Pointer going through our SERE on an exchange program for the summer. Big, mean, and a total asshole. John Wayne reincarnate, if you will. When it came time to do his “hard sell” interrogation, my team and the officer leadership insisted that I do it (let’s just say I had a reputation by then).

Hand to God as my witness.....within 20 minutes....count ‘em, 20.....in that little interrogation room with him, one on one.....I had him blubbering like a toddler. He wouldn’t look at himself in a mirror; he couldn’t. He was a complete and total wreck. Completely destroyed psychologically.

Twenty minutes.

I spent the rest of the hour we had scheduled calling what was known as an “academic situation”, a sort of “time out; stop projecting and rejoin the real world; let’s talk about this”. I had to literally talk him back up to feeling human again, let alone a man and soldier.

I emphasized to him that he had nothing to be ashamed of; that, in fact, he just learned something very valuable as a future combat leader that could save his life.

I’ve never forgotten that and other similar occurrences during my time as an interrogator in that God-awful POW camp. The “real” former POW’s used to tell me how they hated my guts after watching me interrogate.....which they meant as a compliment; they knew what the real thing was like. Yet, it showed me just how fragile the human psyche really is. The gung-ho badasses were by far the easiest to break.....every time.

As for Bales....I’ll say this and this only at this point: If Future Snake Eater vouches for the man and speaks highly of his character, that’s good enough for me. FSE is my oldest son. I’ll take his word over any asshole’s in the media any day, any time, any issue, anywhere.

Prayers up for all involved.


181 posted on 03/17/2012 1:41:07 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: butterdezillion

You make some good points. I, too, wondered a lot about the Judge Roll shooting.

If this suspect dies in prison before the trial, it would not surprise me.


182 posted on 03/17/2012 2:44:27 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: xzins
I understand what you're trying to say, but I think the Army is playing with the hand it was dealt by our government.

Yes, you are correct.

183 posted on 03/17/2012 3:39:33 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Future Snake Eater

Thanks for the info, Future Snake Eater. I will remember it when the treasonous enemy-loving media starts spewing their CRAP.


184 posted on 03/17/2012 4:28:01 AM PDT by Levante
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To: TankerKC

Oops, thanks :-)


185 posted on 03/17/2012 8:02:23 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: cva66snipe

Thanks for the information. I also developed a foot drop and equilibrium problems in my last tour.


186 posted on 03/17/2012 8:14:36 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: skeeter

‘Xactly...this is Obamas fault.

It was just a matter of time (after 5 tours) before one of our best snapped under the pressure of it all.


187 posted on 03/17/2012 8:25:50 AM PDT by proudpapa
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To: skeeter

‘Xactly...this is Obamas fault.

It was just a matter of time (after 5 tours) before one of our best snapped under the pressure of it all.


188 posted on 03/17/2012 8:26:08 AM PDT by proudpapa
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To: jesseam
Thanks for the information. I also developed a foot drop and equilibrium problems in my last tour.

It's not uncommon to have PTSD and panic attacks associated with Vestibular {Inner Ear} dysfunctions at the same time. Actually it would make sense too have both.

I'll get you some info via FR mail this evening that can explain it a lot better when I get back home. Yea my feet are both Club {which was from birth} and flat after my arches fell. Walking off balance will distort the feet and cause arthritis.

189 posted on 03/17/2012 10:25:26 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
More general background on SSGt Bales. Accused soldier recalled in Ohio as genial star

Also, according to this link, Neighbors say Afghan attack suspect was family man

Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales arrived in the U.S. yesterday and is being held at a military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan. The Army says he was placed in a private cell at a medium/minimum security prison near the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks.

Question - is it SGT Bales or SSGt Bales? I've seen both. Thanks.
190 posted on 03/17/2012 10:30:10 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: cva66snipe

Thank you very much for your input. Both problems have been evaluated at the VA and it looks like you may have a better handle on the problem.


191 posted on 03/17/2012 10:38:25 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: cva66snipe

Thank you very much for your input. Both problems have been evaluated at the VA and it looks like you may have a better handle on the problem.


192 posted on 03/17/2012 10:39:29 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: Future Snake Eater
....and the latest on Drudge, Soldier accused in Afghan shooting spree identified as Staff Sgt. Robert Bales
(Although, Drudge changed his title to "One of the Best Soldiers I Ever Worked With - kudos to Drudge)
193 posted on 03/17/2012 10:39:49 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Future Snake Eater
You should contact his atty and start a defense fund.

There is no way for Sgt. Bales to avoid hard time (assuming what we have been told is true), but the real crime here is a fourth deployment after a TBI.

If it were up to me I'd put him in a soft-secured re-hab facility just long enough for the public to forget...then let him go home to his family.

194 posted on 03/17/2012 10:46:54 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

As I understand it, his family are “of means” as they say. I don’t think money is an issue here, fortunately.


195 posted on 03/17/2012 10:54:58 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Girlene

That was a cool headline, I have to admit. I know Drudge is fairly persona non grata around here, but he’s still doing good work.


196 posted on 03/17/2012 11:01:02 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: RightOnline

Sometimes, when you are in situations like yours as a SERE school instructor, it’s hard to know how many lives you save and how you affect the guys who come through your training.

My Navy SERE school wasn’t really very tough. It took a few months for me to realize that what we had experienced in our 5 days at the school was, essentially, a handslap, if that. I had heard that the AF school was a lot tougher and, truth to be told, after I assimilated the Navy training, wanted to go to a tougher school because I knew that what we would experience if we were ever captured in ‘Nam was NOT going to be fun.

I do have a funny story to share with you about my SERE school. In the Navy, in those days, whenever we went to a school or changed duty stations, we were required to fill out a “Home Town News Release”. Well, I’m a service brat and moved 13 times before I enlisted so I didn’t have a hometown to send a news release to that anyone would care about. Since we had to fill one out regardless, I would fill it out and just put “Do Not Release” on the bottom.

So, when I got to SERE school, that’s what I did on the first day. Unfortunately, my weird sense of humor kicked in while I was filling it out and, when it got to the part on the form about my wife and children, I put down on the form that I was married to “Miss Strawberry Festival of 1938” and that we had 2.3 children. I turned the form in never expecting to see it again.

Until I got into my “interrogation” session in SERE. The interrogator is trying to get me to fill out some Red Cross forms so that my family could be notified that I was safe and he went into a spiel about my”Mozzer krying herzelf to schleep at night” (in his mock German accent) wondering where I was. Now, he’s looking at a piece of paper during all of this and I kept trying to figure out what he could be looking at. Then, I found out.

The next thing out of his mouth was “And vhat about your vife!?” As hard as I tried to remain stone-faced during this, I felt an expression cross my eyes that he picked up and took a closer look at the form. After reading it more closely, He put the form down and looked up at me and said “Zo, DustyMoment, you are a comedian!”

Trust me, it was all I could do to keep from laughing!! He left the room for a few minutes and, when he came back, tried to give me a hard time but there was just no spirit to it all and, after a few minutes of “torture” (holding my arms out and answering questions! LOL!), I was sent back to the general population.

Thank you for what you did. I know that it was probably tough for you, but what you did saved countless lives and (God forbid!) helped those who were captured and sent to the Hanoi Hilton.

In the evaluation of my SERE class, the lead instructor told us that we resisted so hard, a lot of us probably would have been killed. During our time in the POW portion, several of our senior POWs were replaced in an effort to find one who would be more cooperative with the camp guards.

It was, and still is, a VERY good learning session. I think all of us walked away knowing a little more about ourselves than we expected.


197 posted on 03/17/2012 11:34:46 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: cva66snipe

Zoloft was what they put him on. I think the military tries to create mental problems in our soldiers


198 posted on 03/17/2012 11:45:26 AM PDT by rlferny
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To: Future Snake Eater
Thank you, sir, for your detailed, insightful report on Sgt. Bales and on his steadfast service to our Nation. Thank you as well for your own service in a war in which the ROE seem designed to frustrate our achievement of our goals and to endanger the lives of our men and women. My prayers will go up for him, for his family, for you, and for all of our troops in harm's way.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

199 posted on 03/17/2012 12:06:01 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: DustyMoment

I appreciate the kind words. I have tons of stories....maybe one day I’ll put up a thread about ‘em, just for the heck of it. :)

Oh...one thing I did forget to mention in the “West Pointer breakdown” story. I never laid a finger on him. Zip. He was broken down to a blubbering mass simply with words.

Words. My God, how powerful they truly can be in the “right” hands (mouth?).


200 posted on 03/17/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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