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Governor nixes concealed weapons permit bill
Rapid City Journal ^ | 17 mar 2012

Posted on 03/17/2012 5:04:58 AM PDT by rellimpank

When Gov. Dennis Daugaard first looked at a bill to let most South Dakotans carry concealed weapons without a permit, it looked good. Daugaard proclaims himself a proud supporter of Second Amendment rights and a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. He was leaning toward signing the bill.

But the more he studied House Bill 1248, the more the governor had doubts. And by Friday, he had seen enough to veto the bill.

“When I looked at the bill, it really was a solution in search of a problem,” Daugaard said Friday. “The process for gaining a concealed carry permit is very simple and easily accomplished. I just don’t see this (bill) as something that would improve that by a great deal.”

Worse, the governor said the bill would make life more difficult for citizens and law enforcement alike. Instead of checking a permit during a stop, law enforcement might have to detail citizens while they run a background check.

But the bill’s supporters say Daugaard’s veto was misguided.

(Excerpt) Read more at rapidcityjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
--Worse, the governor said the bill would make life more difficult for citizens and law enforcement alike. Instead of checking a permit during a stop, law enforcement might have to detail citizens while they run a background check--

--I think I detect a typo here--

1 posted on 03/17/2012 5:05:03 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: marktwain

—ping—


2 posted on 03/17/2012 5:07:23 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Ever hear of the US Constitution, GOVERNOR!?!?!?!? The Second Amendment? How about your own state constitution? Maybe we should send him these....


3 posted on 03/17/2012 5:08:51 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: rellimpank
“When I looked at the bill, it really was a solution in search of a problem,” Daugaard said Friday.

The problem, you idiot, is government's constant encroachment on the freedoms every American is entitled to under the Constitution. It's a shame that freedom is such a scary word to our overlords.

4 posted on 03/17/2012 5:15:27 AM PDT by GnL
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To: rellimpank
Instead of checking a permit during a stop, law enforcement might have to detail citizens while they run a background check.

Hey RINO mos if not all leo's run a license check BEFORE they get out of their car.

Pitiful excuse.

5 posted on 03/17/2012 5:21:08 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: GnL; Jerrybob; All

This was and is a bad bill. A wussified constitutional carry if you will. It is not constitutional carry, a bill that was introduced earlier in session and failed.

This bill is a legislative CYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The bill in question requires a drivers license, so no Constitutional carry. South Dakota gun owners see it as bad also and recommend non passage.

The real key will be Monday veto day in the legislature, when they do not override the veto. Hopefully that will be the case.


6 posted on 03/17/2012 6:21:33 AM PDT by wita
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To: GnL; Jerrybob; All

This was and is a bad bill. A wussified constitutional carry if you will. It is not constitutional carry, a bill that was introduced earlier in session and failed.

This bill is a legislative CYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The bill in question requires a drivers license, so no Constitutional carry. South Dakota gun owners see it as bad also and recommend non passage.

The real key will be Monday veto day in the legislature, when they do not override the veto. Hopefully that will be the case.


7 posted on 03/17/2012 6:21:49 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

BAD dog double!!


8 posted on 03/17/2012 6:22:56 AM PDT by wita
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To: rellimpank

I immediately saw that too.


9 posted on 03/17/2012 6:38:30 AM PDT by OldPossum (ou)
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To: rellimpank
... Daugaard said Friday. “The process for gaining a concealed carry permit is very simple and easily accomplished.

Yo, Guv, what's the simple and easy process for getting a permit to speak? Or go to your choice of church?

10 posted on 03/17/2012 6:49:36 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: rellimpank

I don’t know I could use a good lint brushing now and then...maybe it includes a massage with it that would be nice after a stressful stop with the police.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 6:59:59 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: reed13k; OldPossum

—the thought that flashed through my mind was a cop putting a racing stripe from head to toe on a -uh- “bosomy” lady with attention given to the chest area-—


12 posted on 03/17/2012 7:09:14 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
When I looked at the bill, it really was a solution in search of a problem...

That is the entire purpose of guaranteed rights. The solution to solve the problem is called civil war.

13 posted on 03/17/2012 7:35:37 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: rellimpank
Worse, the governor said the bill would make life more difficult for citizens and law enforcement alike. Instead of checking a permit during a stop, law enforcement might have to detail citizens while they run a background check.

Can't see why. What property a citizen may or may not have on him during a traffic stop isn't germane to the purpose of the stop unless it somehow affects his driving.

14 posted on 03/17/2012 7:48:00 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: CPOSharky

“... Daugaard said Friday. “The process for gaining a concealed carry permit is very simple and easily accomplished.

Yo, Guv, what’s the simple and easy process for getting a permit to speak? Or go to your choice of church?”
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http://www.usacarry.com/south_dakota_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

Wow, South Dakota is a “shall issue” state which looks pretty good to me. But what do I know, I live in the People’s Republic of Maryland where the only way I’ll ever be able to legally carry is for pending lawsuits to be successful. The Maryland Democrats in power would break into all houses and seize all firearms if they thought they could get away with that.


15 posted on 03/17/2012 7:58:17 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: wita

I don’t believe this article explains the issue well for most readers to understand why the Governor is reluctant to sign off on it, and why South Dakotan’s would agree with the Governor. That and of course the fact too few read beyond the headline much less the excerpt.

I read the entire article, and am still confused.

Going to look up the bill, and see if it then makes any sense to me.


16 posted on 03/17/2012 8:14:15 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: wita

Rapid City Editorial:

http://rapidcityjournal.com/mobile/article_fc273076-68a3-11e1-bf47-001871e3ce6c.html

Another link on the matter:

http://www.constantconservative.com/2012/carrying-concealed-without-permits

Is it the necessity of a drivers license that is objectionable? By eliminating the necessity of a drivers license the bill would be more acceptable?


17 posted on 03/17/2012 8:27:42 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: House Atreides

—South Dakota is about as good as it gets, other than the prohibition on carry in all gov’t offices and establishments that get over 50% of income from alcohol sales, which keeps me out of or disarmed in a few restaurants-—


18 posted on 03/17/2012 10:38:54 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
That's it for Governor Doogie in SD. He might as well start packing so he can run back home to Illinois now.

I don't vote in SD, but my fiancee does. Hey, maybe I can talk her into changing her place of residence to Wyoming now....

19 posted on 03/20/2012 4:54:01 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: wita

This is why I’ve been against all those “Voter Id “ laws that have been passed recently. In person voter-fraud lets you cast ONE tainted vote, and only if you know enough about another person to successfully impersonate them at the polls (You’ve always needed to show ID and proof of citizenship when registering to vote)

HOWEVER it sets the legal precedent that a government issued ID can be required when exercising a constitutional right, and that completely cuts the heart out of all the legal theory behind Constitutional Carry.

I hate to say it, but we’ve been our own worst enemy on this subject


20 posted on 03/20/2012 6:26:44 PM PDT by Lex Gabba
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To: rockinqsranch

Is it the necessity of a drivers license that is objectionable? By eliminating the necessity of a drivers license the bill would be more acceptable? First question, yes, among other things. Second question, not necessarily.

The requirement for a drivers license makes the bill somewhat redundant since any requirement over and above no requirements renders the bill not a constitutional carry bill like exists in the state of Vermont.

The license requirement meets one of those necessary for the concealed carry permit, which then makes the bill redundant, and for that and other reasons the Governor vetoed the bill and fortunately the legislators did not try and override the veto.

One of the many reasons anti gunners wanted this particular bill was besides the license requirement there were a couple of issues regarding police doing background checks on traffic stops, I’m not sure what generated that, but the potential, was enough to make the legislature nervous. IMHO the only way to go is Vermont style concealed carry.

Government requirements only start problems, and unforeseen consequences down stream. Unfortunately there are enough anti gun folks in positions of influence which is why the earlier true constitutional carry bill introduced by my congressman was killed (the bill, not the congressman)in the senate


21 posted on 03/20/2012 9:16:35 PM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Makes sense. Thanks for that.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 3:51:44 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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