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John Demjanjuk, convicted death camp guard, dies
AP Via Yahoo news ^ | March 17, 2012 | DAVID RISING

Posted on 03/17/2012 8:38:34 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town

BERLIN (AP) — John Demjanjuk, a retired U.S. autoworker who was convicted of being a guard at the Nazis' Sobibor death camp despite steadfastly maintaining over three decades of legal battles that he had been mistaken for someone else, died Saturday, his son told The Associated Press. He was 91.

Demjanjuk, convicted in May of 28,060 counts of being an accessory to murder and sentenced to five years in prison, died a free man in his own room in a nursing home in the southern Bavarian town of Bad Feilnbach. He had been released pending his appeal.

John Demjanjuk Jr. said in a telephone interview from Ohio that his father apparently died of natural causes. Demjanjuk had terminal bone marrow disease, chronic kidney disease and other ailments, and local authorities said the exact cause of death was still being determined.

It was not yet known whether he would be brought back to the U.S. for burial.

Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk (dehm-YAHN'-yook) had steadfastly denied any involvement in the Nazi Holocaust since the first accusations were levied against him more than 30 years ago.

"My father fell asleep with the Lord as a victim and survivor of Soviet and German brutality since childhood," Demjanjuk Jr. said. "He loved life, family and humanity. History will show Germany used him as a scapegoat to blame helpless Ukrainian POWs for the deeds of Nazi Germans."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: demjanjuk; houndedtodeath; ivantheterrible; johndemjanjuk; nazis; notivantheterrible; obit; obituary; rip
This goes to prove the power ogf the state. This man was tormented for over thirty years...convicted and overturned until the U.S. governemnt was able to find a country that was able to convict him on charges that where specious at best.

Convicted of crimes against humanity by of all people, GERMANY!

I do not know if he was a POW or forced death camp guard. Regardless, the stte decided he was guilty over thirty years ago and tormented this man no matter the proof.

1 posted on 03/17/2012 8:38:43 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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To: Jim from C-Town

The earthly end of a man whom I believed to be honorable and innocent of all charges!

May he rest in peace and may his family receive consolation and peace in the knowledge that their innocent father is with our Savior.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 8:48:05 AM PDT by IbJensen (We now have a government requiring citizens prove they are insured but not that they are citizens.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I wonder why Tom Lehrer didn’t get in the act like he did with Wernher von Braun:

“Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.”


3 posted on 03/17/2012 8:49:14 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

God is the final judge.


4 posted on 03/17/2012 8:51:05 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Good riddance


5 posted on 03/17/2012 8:52:02 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: QBFimi
I wonder why Tom Lehrer didn’t get in the act like he did with Wernher von Braun

Tom Lehrer was a lot wiser than his fans.

He knew a little bit of this stuff went a long way.

6 posted on 03/17/2012 8:54:30 AM PDT by x
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To: Jim from C-Town

He was guilty as Hell. The only reason he was never put to death was the stupidity of all the nations and their courts. Technical legal glitches kept him alive, not any innocence.


7 posted on 03/17/2012 8:56:13 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2011/05/13/the_persecution_of_john_demjanjuk/page/full/

” And John Demjanjuk, 91, after spending five years on death row for a crime he did not commit in a place he never was, is stateless and homeless in a Germany where veterans of the SS walk free. “


8 posted on 03/17/2012 8:57:46 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: CodeToad
The guy was basically guilty of being an autoworker, and nothing more than that. He never would have been prosecuted if he had been a Nazi rocket scientist, or any of the other "protected" members of the German military establishment.

For the U.S. government to single him out for prosecution was a disgrace.

9 posted on 03/17/2012 9:07:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Jim from C-Town
They hounded this poor bastard with the flimsiest of proof.

RIP

10 posted on 03/17/2012 9:08:30 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yeah, it is telling that they pursued him with great fervor for all of those years yet pay no attention to scumbags like Soros who was an admitted Nazi collaborator.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 9:21:45 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Alberta's Child

NO less than the Israelis judged and released him. And the final amazing part was that Germany was prosecuting him. SS men walk free there,, and there would have been no Sobibor without the Germans invading Ukraine.
Thats an amazing disconnect,, to have Germans, trying a Ukrainian,,, for things people may have done, under threat of immediate death by them.


12 posted on 03/17/2012 9:29:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Alberta's Child

“For the U.S. government to single him out for prosecution was a disgrace.

The disgrace was not prosecuting ALL the Nazi guards and killers.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 9:33:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Some “autoworkers” had it a little better.

Joachim Peiper,, SS commander who repeatedly mass murdered, including American prisoners at Malmedy.

“On 17 January 1957 he began work at Porsche in Stuttgart in its technical division. He would later represent the company at car exhibitions. He was later put in charge of auto exports to the United States but his wartime criminal conviction prevented him from obtaining a visa for travel to the United States. This would not allow him to maintain this new position.

As he advanced within Porsche, he was accused by Italian union workers of the Boves Massacre in Italy during World War II. Ferdinand Porsche personally intervened and promised Peiper a senior management position, but this offer was derailed by the trade unions, who objected to allowing persons convicted of war crimes to serve in the upper management of the company. The strong antipathy to Peiper, his association with Ferdinand Porsche and the related negative impact on sales in Porsche’s biggest market, the United States, forced Porsche’s management to dismiss him. On 30 December 1960 Peiper filed suit to compel Porsche to fulfil its promises”

Lucky he wasn’t a lowly camp guard from the invaded people.


14 posted on 03/17/2012 9:36:30 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Mikey_1962
"They hounded this poor bastard with the flimsiest of proof."

Which attests to neither his guilt or innocence. It's a shame that he became a political football. If he was guilty of the crimes of which he was accused, justice was not done for his victims. If he was an innocent scapegoat, then he was the victim of a terrible injustice.

In any case, his life is now being judged perfectly, and that's something that awaits us all.

15 posted on 03/17/2012 9:36:38 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Injustices like this happen because people, in the desire for vengeance, often forget that making people into scapegoats doesn’t do anything to advance justice. It is to try to prevent situations like this that we have the “innocent until proven guilty” rule.

As someone mentioned, it *is* telling that Soros still walks free, although he admitted to collaboration with the Nazis and is thus responsible for God only knows how many innocent deaths. And Soros apparently enjoyed being a collaborator. I could ask why Soros walks free, while an autoworker who would be otherwise unknown was persecuted for so long... but I think we all know the an$wer.


16 posted on 03/17/2012 9:39:35 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: CodeToad

The evidence against him was an ID card produced by the soviet KGB, during the height of the cold war. That and a few “eyewitnesses”.
Ever go to a 30th high school reunion? How about a 40th? Or a 50th? Some people almost look the same,, and some you saw everyday cannot be recognized. The Israeli courts said the testimony was not trustworthy. If the state of Israel won’t convict him, that should give us pause. (about this one case, not about Nazis in general)


17 posted on 03/17/2012 9:43:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: RJS1950
"...it is telling that they pursued him with great fervor for all of those years yet pay
no attention to scumbags like Soros who was an admitted Nazi collaborator."
yhea...his (liberal) protectors really heard him... his $$$$ was silencing his would-be prosecutors...
[s/ (no, it can't be bribery) /s] ....a donation, maybe...*wink/wink*

18 posted on 03/17/2012 9:47:38 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: DesertRhino
"If the state of Israel won’t convict him, that should give us pause.
(about this one case, not about Nazis in general)"
yes...it does say; a great many things about the dishonesty of the MSM popular culture.
protected the (self-admitted) guilty, while ignoring the obvious &
(repeatedly) reporting falsehoods against their ideological foes.

19 posted on 03/17/2012 10:11:13 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: DesertRhino

He was found guilty with plenty of evidence to show it.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 10:22:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: CodeToad

“He was found guilty with plenty of evidence to show it.”

The Supreme court of Israel doesn’t agree with you. And in any case, to have *Germans*, trying Ukrainians, for events occuring 1941-44,,should raise an eyebrow.
Especially when so many high ranking of their own got to live out their lives.


21 posted on 03/17/2012 10:36:23 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: CodeToad

“In Panzer Leader, Guderian said that he was fully aware of the brutal occupation policies of the German administration of Ukraine, claiming that this was wholly the responsibility of civilians, about whom he could do nothing.”
Retired openly in Schwangau, in the Bavarian Alps,,

Peiper of the SS Malmedy Murders,,, landed in a nice executive position at Porsche.

Reinhard Gehlen,, Nazi Intellegence leader,,Worked for the CIA, and headed German Intelligence from the mid 50s. He retired from government service in 1968, receiving the pension of a Ministerialdirektor (one of the most senior civil service grades),plus, allegedly, a pension from the CIA. He died in 1979 at the age of 77. Made a “Knight of Malta” in the 60s.

SS man Von Braun. Who has the distiction of building a weapons system that murdered more in the construction factory, than killed on the battlefield. Wound up with a nice retirement gig with NASA.

So does it strike you as a bit odd, so much effort was brought to bear against someone who at BEST was a ukrainian national, concripted as a camp guard to avoid being in the camp too? And with thin evidence,,, despite widely known solid evidence against others who were not pursued, or were lightly punished?


22 posted on 03/17/2012 10:57:45 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: wideawake

You’ve had stuff to say about this guy.


23 posted on 03/17/2012 1:02:26 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Jim from C-Town; a fool in paradise

The Devil is a ‘Nazi’, while all the angels have been Communist!


24 posted on 03/17/2012 1:06:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: CodeToad

If Israel didn’t find him guilty, you can rest assured he was not guilty. That should have been the end of it.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 1:12:19 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: CodeToad
except for the fact that Soviet Archives PROVED the evidence was false.

He may or may not have done whatever. He certainly was NOT Ivan the terrible of Sobibor and was PROVED innocent of those charges by none other than the Israeli Supreme Court.

26 posted on 03/17/2012 1:14:04 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: beelzepug

Legal technical glitch. They said they did not consider him innocent just not proven guilty.


27 posted on 03/17/2012 2:29:18 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“PROVED innocent “

Legal technical glitch. They said they did not consider him innocent just not proven guilty.


28 posted on 03/17/2012 2:30:09 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: CodeToad
Technical legal glitches kept him alive, not any innocence.

Not being the camp commandante "Ivan The Terrible" is a little bit more than a "technical legal glitch". It's more like a royal f&&& up on the part of the people trying to convict him.

29 posted on 03/17/2012 2:39:49 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: CodeToad
Wrong. The Soviet archives showed that the ID card was made by the KGB, The evidence was not only weak it was damn near nonexistent!
30 posted on 03/17/2012 2:45:57 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

CodeToad is clearly indicative of why Demjanjuk was hounded even after Israel made its determination. Some people just can’t let go of things they’re “sure” of despite the evidence or lack of it. This was a witch hunt.


31 posted on 03/17/2012 5:47:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: CodeToad

Looks like you were at Christ crucifixion too?


32 posted on 03/17/2012 6:10:46 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: CodeToad

And that is exactly how a proper justice system is supposed to work. I’m pretty sure if you asked any prosecutor, he’d tell you every defendant he ever tried was guilty but that dad-gum proof thing sure seemed to get in the way a lot.


33 posted on 03/17/2012 6:19:33 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: Jim from C-Town

RIP.


35 posted on 03/17/2012 7:24:21 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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