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New Pictures Of The F-35 With Its Weapons Bay Doors Wide Open (Very Impressive Pictures)
Business Insider ^ | March 17, 2012 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 03/17/2012 7:18:22 PM PDT by lbryce

Maybe it's the sleek lines and the state-of-the-art design, or maybe it's the almost underdog status the $382 billion program has adopted since it began testing, either way new pictures of the F-35's baby steps keep popping up online.

These were taken March 1, and posted to the Aviationist by David Cenciotti. They show the STOVL (Short Take Off Vertical Landing) model with its weapon bays open and a couple of dummy 2,000 pound Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) smart bombs.

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Very impressive.Seems the sales team is out in full force trying to drum up business for those countries who've been expressing reservations about costs. These images might help change some minds. Also strike some fear in others.
1 posted on 03/17/2012 7:18:27 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

“Open the pod bay door, Hal.”


2 posted on 03/17/2012 7:19:42 PM PDT by BipolarBob (When do the salmon return to Capistrano?)
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To: lbryce

Something’s missing...the other engine. It needs another engine.


3 posted on 03/17/2012 7:24:06 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


4 posted on 03/17/2012 7:25:51 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

You mean, like the F-22?


5 posted on 03/17/2012 7:26:26 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: lbryce

If it`s got mini-bomb bays, it`s mini-bomber.


6 posted on 03/17/2012 7:29:37 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (F35 not a Thunderdud? ?? Who knew?)
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To: Army Air Corps
You mean, like the F-22?

Thank you for pointing that out. I was about to say something less nice :-)

7 posted on 03/17/2012 7:29:46 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: BreezyDog

It’s got 2 intakes and 1 exhaust ... does that mean it has 1.5 engines? ;-)


8 posted on 03/17/2012 7:32:59 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: lbryce
was this a launch test??? the third pic shows air to air on the bay doors
9 posted on 03/17/2012 7:37:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lbryce
a couple of dummy 2,000 pound Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) smart bombs.

Dummy smart bombs? I'll put that in my oxymoron file with Congresstional ethics.

10 posted on 03/17/2012 7:40:29 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: BreezyDog

Hmmmm ..?? Plan A hasn’t been working very good .. looks like we’ll have to go to Plan B after all.

Darn .. should’uve learned to shoot.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 7:43:58 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: BreezyDog
Good Pics of the F 22...shame where it came from
12 posted on 03/17/2012 7:46:29 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Something’s missing...the other engine. It needs another engine.

Unless you're a B-52 pilot. Then you think it needs another seven engines.

13 posted on 03/17/2012 7:51:19 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: BreezyDog

you’re right, those are some impressive pictures.


14 posted on 03/17/2012 7:57:29 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Pratt &Whitney F135. Plenty of engine.


15 posted on 03/17/2012 8:02:12 PM PDT by Afterguard
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To: lbryce
These are impressive pictures....

...but I will tell you what is impressive to me:

...The Collings Foundation has brought a B-17 a B-24 and a P-51 to Dallas to show and to sell rides for fund raising. I live in the traffic pattern of Love Field and the B-17 and B-24 have been flying low over my house. It almost brings tears to my eyes to see and hear these old planes still flying.

They radiate competence...you see them and just know that they are the finest craftsmanship in the world. The sound that their engines make is a low grumble....and you just know that the German people who were not involved with the NAZI's hated to hear these sounds rumbling in the distance, but were absolutely moving their way....

...they will be flying all day tomorrow, and I will be watching every one...

16 posted on 03/17/2012 8:04:12 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: B.O. Plenty
It almost brings tears to my eyes to see and hear these old planes still flying.

To this day I believe that the B-17 is the most beautiful airplane ever built.

17 posted on 03/17/2012 8:16:26 PM PDT by norton
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To: Chode

The third one is also different from the first two; presumably a C model, judging from the ventral bulge, which I presume conceals the tailhook.


18 posted on 03/17/2012 8:16:34 PM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: Afterguard
over land maybe... over water and a hundred miles from the ship, maybe not
19 posted on 03/17/2012 8:19:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: norton

You have a point. But if you’re willing to consider civil aircraft, I’d put the Lockheed Connie beside it.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 8:19:36 PM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: Erasmus
yup... i didn't catch that
21 posted on 03/17/2012 8:24:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lbryce

Twice as many latches, twice as many hinges, twice as many doors etc. as would be practical... more to go wrong and more to maintain.

And half as many engines as it should have.


22 posted on 03/17/2012 8:25:29 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: BipolarBob

thats the mumbai door.


23 posted on 03/17/2012 8:27:12 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: B.O. Plenty

All fine airframes, for sure. I’m a big fan of the B-25 ever since I read about them (as a kid) being flown off aircraft carriers. I know that also has to do with the men flying them at the time but day-em... that’s one helluva feat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqvZ0gH-r44


24 posted on 03/17/2012 9:01:30 PM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: RedCell
Wonder if the old B&W movie I saw as a kid, "Sixty Seconds Over Tokyo", is still available -- even on VHS...

It had actual footage of Doolittle's B-25s taking off from "Shangri-La"...

25 posted on 03/17/2012 9:26:45 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: lbryce

Its pretty, but somehow not as fearsome looking as an F4F Phantom with fully exposed armament on its belly and wings. But then again, the old school way of dropping bombs is long gone. You don’t need to carry 18,000 pounds of weapons when you can now decimate the target with just a couple of precise hits.


26 posted on 03/17/2012 10:04:24 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: BreezyDog
Good Pics of the F 22...shame where it came from

Beautiful pics, thanks.

F-22 is the baddest-ass fighter jet to ever exist, and copycat Sukhoi can go screw itself (and pray it never has to actually face an F-22).

27 posted on 03/17/2012 10:59:58 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
F-22 is the baddest-ass fighter jet to ever exist,

Amen.

28 posted on 03/17/2012 11:18:36 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: B.O. Plenty

My 91 yr old dad was in a 7th Army AAA battery during WWII from North Africa on through Germany’s surrender. He’s mentioned that as they were fighting their way across France they would often see the entire sky filled with what looked like thousands of bombers, headed to their targets in Germany. A sight like that will never be seen again.

And you’re right, the sound of those WWII engines is something special. There’s a few vintage planes flying out of an airport near me in SoCal and I love to hear them pass overhead.


29 posted on 03/17/2012 11:29:10 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: lbryce

At two hundred million per copy it should crap little gold bricks when the doors are opened. What a waste.


30 posted on 03/17/2012 11:58:51 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: TXnMA

Not sure about sixty seconds but here’s one about thirty seconds ;-)

http://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Seconds-Tokyo-Spencer-Tracy/dp/B000NTPG6Q


31 posted on 03/18/2012 12:38:31 AM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Exactly and only $207m each for the ones bought in 2012.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 5:15:11 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: NavyCanDo
you can now decimate the target with just a couple of precise hits.

Wouldn't it be better to destroy all of a target rather than just 10%?

33 posted on 03/18/2012 6:30:08 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Pelham

A sight like that will never be seen again.

Mainly because this country would not stand for the 80,000 dead airmen today.


34 posted on 03/18/2012 6:37:02 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: lbryce

The Chinese PLA and the Russian engineeers just love this sort of photographic info -


35 posted on 03/18/2012 6:39:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: lbryce

While these are beautiful and “impressive” pictures, the sad truth is that the F-35 is going to go down in history as one of the worst, over-hyped military aircraft boondoggles ever.

It will be another F-111 type failure, in that the politically-motivated insistence on demanding that one aircraft perform too many different roles, for too many different service constituencies will result in it not performing any of them to the highest levels necessary to maintain our superiority.

In combat, one size does not fit all, and it never will.


36 posted on 03/18/2012 7:02:09 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: org.whodat

To be clear, fly-away cost for the jet alone is about 150Mil (http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-110211-038.pdf, pg 57 of 560). If you add all weapons systems and infrastructure to go along with it, then it runs about 192M.

If they kept to the original number they envisioned, the cost-per-unit would be a heck of a lot lower. . .I’m not a fan of the F-35, as I think the F-22 is by far the best. The F-22 internal weapons load equals that of the F-35. . .in order for the F-35 to carry more than the F-22 it must carry external ordinance, something that the F-22 can’t do. And if the F-35 does carry external weapons, this would remove any LO capability of the jet. LM over-sold the concept. Should have stayed with the full run of F-22 and re-vamped F-15E. F-22 to kick in the door and the F-15E’s to take iron downtown.


37 posted on 03/18/2012 7:20:38 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: maddog55; ImJustAnotherOkie

Can you tell me where you got that number?

According to USAF docs, the cost is about 150M per jet (for USAF versions). For the entire support systems that go along with it, and weapons, the total cost per unit is about 192M (http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-110211-038.pdf, pg 57 of 560).

I am not that familiar with USMC/Navy budget docs, so a link would be good.

Thanks.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 7:45:25 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: lbryce
Peace Through Superior Firepower.
39 posted on 03/18/2012 7:49:34 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: B.O. Plenty

You said: “They radiate competence...you see them and just know that they are the finest craftsmanship in the world.”

Damn straight. Those were the days when “close enough for government work” was standard of pride.


40 posted on 03/18/2012 7:51:36 AM PDT by shove_it (just undo it)
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To: ASA Vet

Bombing for effect rather than bombing just because you want to?
You want to take out a weapon system or person the most efficient way possible because that means less resources needed by you to achieve significant results. For example, why expend dozens of sorties and hundreds of weapons to take down a division of tanks when you can simply drop a couple of bridges and isolate then from the battlefield? Or, drop one bomb in one precise location and you take out a power station rather than totally destroy it by dropping hundreds of weapons.

Safer to fly fewer sorties, achieve greater battlefield/tactical and strategic effect, and frankly, less costly.

Identifying Centers of Gravity or “decisive points” are key to decimating an enemies ability to wage war.

These nodes are hard to identify, even more so during insurgency operations, but nonetheless, are the best way to win. From strategic air campaigns to silent special ops troops with a Kbar, it all depends on what you identify and target, not level of destruction.


41 posted on 03/18/2012 7:52:54 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Pelham
There’s a few vintage planes flying out of an airport near me in SoCal and I love to hear them pass overhead.

I seem to live under the flight path between a Marine Air station and a base out in the desert. All sorts of aircraft fly overhead and I love being able to hear them!

"That's the sound of freedom, baby!"

42 posted on 03/18/2012 8:00:10 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: Hulka
Identifying Centers of Gravity or “decisive points” are key to decimating an enemies ability to wage war.

I'd rather not leave an enemy with 90% of their ability to wage war.

43 posted on 03/18/2012 8:06:28 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Hulka

Since they nixed the alternate engine supplier, you can bet that over the next 10-15 years the engine prices will go up and power improvements will be small.


44 posted on 03/18/2012 9:01:56 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: KarlInOhio

Oh come on, our dummy bombs are smart because they KNOW they are dummy bombs.

How many dummy bombs do you know that know that they are dummy bombs???

JB


45 posted on 03/18/2012 9:12:58 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (MAYDAY! MAYDAY! We are so going in ! !)
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To: RedCell
"Not sure about sixty seconds but here’s one about thirty seconds ;-)"

LOL!! Thanks!!!

~~~~~~~~~
The last time AJ Foyt put his Indy car into the hay bales, someone asked, "Brake fade?"

AJ replied, "Naw -- brain fade..."
~~~~~~~~~

I was four when the raid occurred -- so, I plead 70 years of brain fade! '-)

BTW, It just hit me that we are exactly one month shy of the 70th anniversary of the Doolittle Raid!

46 posted on 03/18/2012 10:29:15 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Hulka

FY 2012 Program Acquisition Costs by Weapon System:

http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2012/FY2012_Weapons.pdf

Page: I-7 ($6,644M for 32 aircraft = $207.6M


47 posted on 03/18/2012 10:59:13 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: lbryce; sickoflibs

The military is under the control of Obama. Think about that when you look at these pictures.


48 posted on 03/18/2012 11:00:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: BipolarBob; maddog55; ImJustAnotherOkie; TXnMA; Chode; Tainan; Pelham; RedCell; tarheelswamprat

The military is under the control of Obama - as is the F-35... and ‘the press’ ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


49 posted on 03/18/2012 11:08:32 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: GOPJ
the Slimes caught telling the truth... that won't happen again soon
50 posted on 03/18/2012 11:31:33 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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