Skip to comments.Why the ‘Strategists’ Are Wrong About a Brokered Convention.
Posted on 03/17/2012 8:34:10 PM PDT by true believer forever
Along with the realization that Conservatives can win in a Conservative-leaning country, comes the ugly truth that the establishment Republican apparatus is just like the Chicago politician more concerned with maintaining power and selecting candidates than doing the hard work of administering to a bottom-up organization such as the Republican Party was chartered to be.
Todays Republican establishment is, for all practical purposes, a mirror (or converse) image of the Democrat Party; an organization structured from the top-down. This power-hoarding of the hierarchy is evidenced by the ridiculous move to award convention delegates proportionately, a move more in line with the abolition of the Electoral College than with the preservation of the Republic.
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Exactly. All that needs to be done is put it in a clearing house that would attract people nationwide. We are so net oriented, but a lot of people don’t realize that most of America still watches tv as their major source of News. And with rush’s controversial profile, it would probably get a couple billion in free advertising right there. And I like the foreign affairs part because of the American ignorance in that area, myself included.
We have a deep bench. Talk radio and the internet have helped develop so much talent.
Yes. And so much of it is wasted, spent preaching to the choir. America is crying out for conservative thought and understanding, they don’t even know it. Can you imagine what a program like the Thomas Sowell Hour would do to change hearts and minds... especially minorities.
And a place like that, is where social conservatives truly belong to further their message of morality, not in govt.
It is such a sad waste.
Exactly. Instead of preaching to the choir, and responding to the left’s narratives we need to be reaching out to people whose hearts can be changed, and setting our own narratives.
so here’s the cha-ching question: is there any way this could be come a reality? We are newt supporters, so long odds mean nothing. But is there anyway? And what would be the first step?
Man I don’t know. I don’t know about all the legal complexities etc. It starts here though. With ideas (although I’m sure many many people have thought of this before). I assume the next thing would be to get money behind it. For all we know it’s already in the works.
Right before Rush started Two if by Tea, and he hinted a few times he would be having a big announcement about a new endeavor, I was sure it was something like a Tea Party Network.
For all we know its already in the works.
Wouldn't that be something.
I am finishing up for the night, but thanks for the ideas and thoughts, I learn a lot from you.
Have a great Sunday - I just checked and Newt has been shut out of all the talk shows tomorrow.
>>Im trying to get some thoughts about a 3rd party movement
From a game theory standpoint, the reality of the matter is that a conservative 3rd party would just benefit the Democrats. Working within one of the existing party structures is the way to go, which has always been the goal of the TEA Parties. The Republican party was the natural one to choose since there were at least a few people who believed in fiscal sanity already there, unlike the Dem party.
Ok man. Thanks for sharing. Have a good night.
Two points: 1) it’s our party, not the establishments, 2) it’s easier to reclaim than start anew.
I tend to think you’re right. Work within the party. Use the apparatus. Question is how can we minimize the advantages the establishment built for themselves. I mean look how they’ve kept candidates off the ballot in some places. Look how they change the rules to benefit their candidates. How can we overcome the money etc. Look at how Romney outspent everyone else.
C-Span will air Dr. Mark Levin’s Reagan Library appearance tomorrow at 11am & 10pm
* Sunday, March 18th at 11am (ET)
* Sunday, March 18th at 10pm (ET)
* Monday, March 19th at 2am (ET)
THIS SHOULD BE EXCELLENT! have a great Sunday everybody!
It is worth noting that the TEA Party movement is only 3 years old. Many of the Republican party regulars have been working in the party structures for literally decades. It takes time to effect from change within the party system and will take a great deal of staying power first and foremost. It won’t happen overnight.
I tend to agree GE. I worry about all the advantages the establishment has built into the system for themselves. Our candidates get the short end of the stick so much, and we already start from behind with respect to money and exposure.
Then I think about the RINOs. How can someone possibly be passionate about anything that's done half @ss?
"We're almost going to do the right thing but then surrender! Follow us! YEAHHHHH!" Not going to happen.
Great post on #86! And I see I just commented on one of your posts above. Thanks for all that!
by August, taking down the GOP establishment will have surpassed defeating Obama as a Tea Party goal.
I've enjoyed the conversation on this thread, but do you realize it wouldn't have been possible several presidential election cycles ago? The internet has allowed like minded individuals to get together (virtually) and formulate new ideas.
We need to learn from this.
The MSM has been one of conservatives biggest hurdles. Reagan solved it through his speeches and talking over the MSM directly to the people. Obama and the Dems used the Social Media to their advantage in the last presidential election.
Sarah has has gotten around the MSM by posting on Face Book.
The Social Media is going to play a larger and larger roll and those who learn to use it most efficiently will be rewarded. It is cost effective and is geared to reach large numbers of people.
QUIT POSTING ARTICLES IN THE ACTIVISM SIDEBAR!!!
And before Reagan, Phyllis Schlafly and Richard Viguerie were able to break the stranglehold of the MSM via direct mail. I learned of this because of Free Republic and from going to see Phyllis Schlafly speak several years ago. I learned a lot about the formation of the modern conservative movement from that talk.
I hope Newt takes it to em. Go Newt.
I posted this before I received info on what activism sidebar meant. Is there really a need to scream?
“but for me the ultimate family values are putting food on the table for my family, putting a roof over their heads, and clothes on their backs.”
True Conservatism allows you to do this and so much more, Newt is the True Conservative in the race. I’m not a believer in 3rd parties, looking back at 1912 and 1992 where they gave us Wilson and Clinton. My goal has been to make the Republican party a True Conservative party, I believe it’s already a majority Conservative party but is controlled by other than Conservatives. I had hoped to get more of the Tea Party people involved in our county but have not been sucessful to date. We are about to try to get more of the Tea Party people to our county convention.
My views on a third party are changing but the reality of the time line we are faced with, and I’m not talking about just this election, is too short. I believe a split in Republican and Conservative elections on any range of offices from Counselman, to State Legislator, to Congressman to President, would lead to a disaster.
Last election almost half of these positions were empty. Only those who are elected get to vote on party leadership. You are also in a position to impact the voters in your precinct in favor of your candidate. It only costs about $10 to register.
The other problems are getting the conservatives to agree on a candidate, and getting people to ignore the media propaganda machine/polls/hype.
The issue of electability can not be allowed to trump experience. That's how Obama got elected. The candidate must have experience as well as electability. Imperfections will exist for any candidate, because no one is perfect. Conservatives must also come up with a process to agree on a candidate, at least as soom as the GOPee.
Things to think about. Thanks for the contribution.
Every state is a little different on party organization, but Greeneyes is essentially right in what I've cited him saying below.
So are the people who have pointed out that conservative Republican activists took decades to bring the GOP to where it is today. Things used to be much worse than they are now, and we need to think in terms of decades, not months or even years, if we want to have an influence in making the Republican Party consistently conservative on the national level.
Still others have correctly pointed out that third parties historically have done nothing but wreck the electoral chances of the major party closest to them ideologically. I don't have a problem with encouraging Ralph Nader or Jesse Jackson to go third-party to split the Democratic Party's votes, but I have major concerns about the damage a conservative third-party movement will cause, not only to the presidential race but all down the ticket as good senatorial, congressional, gubernatorial and state legislative candidates get buried due to split votes at the top of the ticket.
That doesn't need to happen — lots of third-party advocates will correctly point out that you can still vote Republican for other positions down-ticket — but it **WILL** happen if Republican turnout gets depressed due to a perception that President Obama will be re-elected by huge margins due to a conservative split.
The one exception in United States history is the Republican Party, which was essentially a third-party movement which replaced the dying remnants of the old Whig Party, but the fact is that the Whigs were basically dead anyway, something was going to rise up to take their place, and Republicans were the right group at the right time to step into a vacuum that today does not exist. Even if the parallels were better, we're talking about events a century and a half ago in an era when virtually nothing about politics resembles what we have today.
I'm painfully aware that if Mitt Romney is the Republican nominee, many of us will be placed in a horrible position. I'm not going to say what I would do in a hypothetical case like that — I'm not naive, I do deal with cold hard truths when I have no choice, but I don't deal in hypotheticals — and the best way to avoid putting us in a position like that is not to nominate Romney at all.
Let's focus first on defeating Romney so the worst-case scenario remains hypothetical. I can live with Gingrich or Santorum. I don't think Romney will win even if nominated, and this third-party debate is only one indicator of how much damage a Romney nomination will do to Republican turnout.
The one good thing these third-party discussions do is warn the Republican Party's top leadership that nominating Romney really is dangerous. I don't think they're taking third-party threats seriously yet. If we move into a brokered convention, those threats may become deadly serious, and I'm not convinced they won't play a role in convincing people in the Republican leadership that they have to deal with conservatives or face defeat in November.
127 posted on Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:43:15 PM by greeneyes: “Easier to take over the Republican Party than it is to start a new party. You have to start by electing committed conservatives as precinct chair. If conservatives don't fill these spots you have no hope of controlling the party. Last election almost half of these positions were empty. Only those who are elected get to vote on party leadership. You are also in a position to impact the voters in your precinct in favor of your candidate. It only costs about $10 to register. The other problems are getting the conservatives to agree on a candidate, and getting people to ignore the media propaganda machine/polls/hype. The issue of electability can not be allowed to trump experience. That's how Obama got elected. The candidate must have experience as well as electability. Imperfections will exist for any candidate, because no one is perfect. Conservatives must also come up with a process to agree on a candidate, at least as soom as the GOPee.”
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