Skip to comments.Why the ‘Strategists’ Are Wrong About a Brokered Convention.
Posted on 03/17/2012 8:34:10 PM PDT by true believer forever
Along with the realization that Conservatives can win in a Conservative-leaning country, comes the ugly truth that the establishment Republican apparatus is just like the Chicago politician more concerned with maintaining power and selecting candidates than doing the hard work of administering to a bottom-up organization such as the Republican Party was chartered to be.
Todays Republican establishment is, for all practical purposes, a mirror (or converse) image of the Democrat Party; an organization structured from the top-down. This power-hoarding of the hierarchy is evidenced by the ridiculous move to award convention delegates proportionately, a move more in line with the abolition of the Electoral College than with the preservation of the Republic.
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Todays Republican establishment is, for all practical purposes, a mirror (or converse) image of the Democrat Party
Either this writer is very young or Very Stupid, It has been this way My Entire ADULT LIFE.
I want to see establishment blood on the floor.
Frank is a budding member of the CONverse, but his heart’s in sorta the right place in spite of that.
The article makes some good strategic points.
Would you settle for bodies on the floor? Newt's done that once before... and I have to believe he's honed his skill over the years:
Im not sure [Gingrich] ever had a lot of friends here, and Im not sure he cared, because he came here to accomplish a purpose, not to make buddies, said Ken Kies, an influential tax lobbyist and a Gingrich donor. Newt led a revolution, so that tends to leave bodies on the floor.
I'd gladly trade 50 yd line Superbowl tickets for a chance to witness that event!!!
I am all for Newt exposing the weakness of the party and what the republican party should be. Newt can protest these
concerns and force a showdown to make conservatism the platform. It will get ugly but if Newt holds his ideas to
respect of conservatism, principled integrity, America would be more better for it. We cannot continue on this path. Bold changes has to be the issue in fighting Obama, not just social issues. Without the America we know, you will not have to ponder right or wrong; we'll be living under socialism and the government will tell us what is right and wrong.
I’ll settle for bodies on the floor.
Perhaps the author was meaning that the GOP has evolved into a mirror image of the donks. That’s how I read it.
There are good observations in the piece. How realistic it is to expect or even hope that the GOP elite would assume these tactics, is another matter..
A few days ago, a Freeper posted this daunting worst case scenario about the Showdown in Tampa and, at first, I felt bad because I respected his perspective, but then I thought, it's going to be that way forever, no matter what, so why not do it now and do it with Newt to boot!
"First ballots don't solve anything so the delegates are released to pick Newt, Palin, Rubio whatever...right? Wrong! The GOP-e will be making the rules as they go along and like 1976, they will anoint Romney just like they did Gerald Ford over Ronald Reagan. They have too much invested in Mendacious Mitt to let a silly conservative majority stand in their way. Why do you think super RINO of color Michael Steele is so looking forward to a brokered conventionhe and the GOP-e know the plan and they are laughing at their useful idiot from Georgia." (end of FR post excerpt)
I have been saying for a year now we needed a TEA Party March on GOP headquarters...
The GOP Convention would do just as well
I'm so happy I was able to talk you down of the ledge!!
It certainly will get ugly... but think of this, because here is the key, if Newt gets to speak at that convention, just one primetime speech, one typical Newt speech, America changes. America changes. I don't know about the republican party, they are so atrophied at this point, but America changes.
What are everyone’s thoughts about the long term prospects of the conservative movement? Is working within the Republican Party preferable to.....?
We share the dream. :)
Mitt. Its time you quit!
Your credibility isnt worth spit.
RINOs, the Establishment, and Democrats all agree,
But in the General Election, to Obama theyll flee.
Against Obama, liberals and moderates know youll lose.
But conservatives, Romney theyll never choose.
Mitt, our loyalty you cant buy.
Back to Massachusetts, youd better fly.
Just like Gerald Ford, Bob Dole, and John McCain,
Nominee Willard Mitt Romney will result in the same.
As a Governor, your record isnt that great.
Out of 50 states, your popularity was number 48.
Your experience, the Establishment types tout.
Defending federal bailouts and FDIC loan forgiveness will find you out.
Democrats and RINOs cower from their liberal wives,
Supporting Romney with nothing but lies.
In 1994 Ted Kennedy showed Willard to be a great bane,
With Mitts Bain, and Bain Capital, Obama will do the same.
Damon Corp, with Romney paid $119 million in a fine.
Yet Willard says, for his leadership, its time.
He claims jobs he can create and taxes he can lower,
47th out of 50 in growth he rates. Can it get any slower?
$740.5 million dollars a year, fees and taxes under Mitt increased.
Will the half-truths and lies from Romney ever cease?
For Liberty and Freedom, we dont need Flakes,
But Romney says Healthcare responsibilities belong to the States.
Conservatives stand for Self-responsibility, Self-accountability, and Self-reliance.
But against these things, Willards actions scream in defiance.
Establishment Republicans thinks Romney can help take back the Senate,
But they know that for President, Mitt can NOT win it.
Like everything the Establishment Republicans try to do,
It leads to failure, and we get the bill, as well as the screw.
In their corruption, little change do they seek,
They dont want our Freedom to peak.
Their craving for power has pushed their bravery,
To ignore our Constitution, and sell us into economical slavery.
So Willard, dont lecture us on the need for patience and compromise.
Romney, be selfless. Conservatism is on the rise.
Choosing the lesser of two evils, isnt what we desire.
You let them rewrite the language. Wheres your fire?
Romney, they accuse us falsely, and you do little.
Wheres your response, or can you only twiddle?
Mitt, you dont have what it takes to lead.
So with you I plead.
Do you really want to go from Obama-care to Romney-care?
With you, this nation will pull out its hair!
Go somewhere and quietly think and sit.
Know your own limitations! Mitt. Its time you quit!
An excellent read.
>> What are everyones thoughts about the long term prospects of the conservative movement?
Well, we have a significant portion voting for an establishment bit player.
I want Newt to go for the jugular of the GOPe in Tampa. I'm positive he knows how.
Great job, Yose.
To see those Rinos all lined up together is nauseating, isn’t it?
I’m trying to get some thoughts about a 3rd party movement vs working within the Republican Party, or growing the Tea Party movement and having it get behind conservative candidates instead of the most conservative Republican, or......
If they try that they will lose the election, and lose me and many others as members.
Getting to 1,144 gets harder and harder. If there is an open convention, most of the delegates will be conservatives.
Thanks for this thread.
HEY! FRANK SALVATO! YEAH YOU!!! I know your editor wants column inches out of you, but at least TRY to be relevant! Democrat Dick is who you are waiting to hear his reply to you?
HEY! We, the voters, are over here! The last two Administrations have assigned a combined 9 TRILLION dollars of IOU’s to your grandchildren’s descendants, and you write a Q and A to Dick Morris?
If the RINO Express wins the Nominee again for the Establishment RNC, the Tampa will be the Last Hurrah for the Party of Lincoln. Take it to the Bank.
None of your points addressed the major financial issues of this National Election. All you wrote about was gibberish about “ Just hold your nose, AGAIN, when you vote for OUR Nominee.”
BTW, how did that strategy work out for the RNC back in 2008?
a) Barack Obamas campaign apparatus split into four redundant efforts as its war chest is depleted.
b) an Obama campaign without advanced research and preparation about the GOP candidate.
c) a GOP primary slate that acts like they actually believe Progressivism and Barack Obama are the opponents and not their fellow Republicans
How sweet would that be!!! On to Convention!!!!!
What is it going to take for them to get the message? We want our country back!
The bottom line: I positively LOATHE Romney for what he is doing. I will vote for Newt because I feel he's the best guy to go against BOTH Obama, the Donkeys, the MSM, and the RINO establishment elite.
I want to see RINO establishment elite's blood and bodies on the floor of the convention. I want these RINOs driven out or reduced to impotence for a long time. They have urinated on conservatives for my lifetme and they have squandered this country's reputation and riches and military and working people like a bunch of methamphetamine addicts. Time to put an end to the RINO establishment elite — and you creeps know who you are.
These are mine in the following post from born to Conserve. He said it much better than me, but I once tried to encourage this Freeper who was saying he was tired, he had had it, no more republican party, he wasn't going to do anything but prepare for the end of America. And I tried to tell him, I could understand why he was tired, but if he could hold on, and even vote for romney if he had to, on Jan 21, 2013, we could start organizing to oppose romney at re-election, and a new generation of young people would be on board because of Newt. a lot can be done in 4 years, and no 3rd party this time to screw things up really.
03/16/2012 9:47:19 PM PDT · 65 of 72 Born to Conserve to true believer forever
The dual party system is about to shift on its axis. In the great depression, the distinguishing axis was that of socialism vs individual rights. During WWII and the Cold War, the distinguishing axis was socialism vs national defense. Now were going back to the socialism vs individual rights.
Seeing the pattern? We have to quash socialism once and for all. Get rid of the red menace, and everything else will resolve itself.
What to expect: the republican party is going to split, the Tea Party will form, the big government socialists will go to the democrat party and the republican party will cease to exist. In the democrat party, the moral conservatives will go to the Tea Party, and the socialists will remain. For this election cycle, Romney will win, and will be the last Republican (in name) president. During his reign, the representatives and senators will start taking sides, of the aisle, literally. The left (democrats) will support Romney, the right (Tea Partyers) will oppose him.
And he'll do this at Convention as well....I can hardly wait to see that game played. The establishment will do all they can to stop it.....poor Romney hadn't considered this no doubt...hahahaha!
What a comfortable post to read....fits like a pair of old slippers you can just slip into....thanks... and I agree!
I have so many vacation days I haven't taken, and I put in for all of them for a little before, through, and after the convention. I so much hope it turns out to be a showdown. I love showdowns!!
Thanks for the ping, onyx.
And thanks for the great post, TBF!
Buckle up ~ Newt’s ready to rumble!
If the RINO establishment elites try to block Newt from speaking at the convention in Tampa, there WILL be Hell to pay. (Sometimes, I really do pity the poor, dumb RINO establishment elite because they really don’t have a clue what kind of high explosives they are playing with. That takes about a second and I get over it.)
And you know what the upside of this is, if you are a Newt supporter, I don't think Santorum has the stomach for this, while Newt would revel in it, and shove their heads in the sand at the Convention. Newt isn't exactly what you would call a "team player".
I'm ready to pull the plug. This primary is dashing my hopes, but a brokered convention with blood on the floor might prove to be the remedy.
GO Sarah and Newt!
It took me a long time to realize (dah) the Republican elites were fighting conservativism/grassroots...I just didn’t get it because I was a Republican gal for years.
Thank God for Freepers who “educated” me and were patient as I asked questions and tried to understand why such annimosty toward the party.
Now I can explain to others in the party...and I do just that! Once they get it then they are all for this going to convention and see it as the last showdown. Win or loose we have to do this thing.....and may God raise Newt high....Gods never late when we give him room to act!
I don't think they would do that, at least that is what a freind told me, only that they may give him a crappy time slot. But here's the thing, the establishment has no idea of the power of Newt's speeches. No idea.
“the moral conservatives will go to the Tea Party”
I don’t completely agree with this. I see some moral conservatives that are quite comfortable with programs like Social Security etc. Many conservative Catholics, for instance, adhere to “social justice” doctrine. Furthermore, I see a statist/nanny state streak among some conservatives ala Mike Huckabee. I don’t think it would be a 100% shift. Do you?
Before anyone jumps on me I mean no offense. Just making an observation. Not making judgements.
Newt is very surgically gifted, they'll bleed to death before they even notice he's sliced them. Some people need cannon balls, newt uses a scalpel. GO NEWT!
Oh my gosh what (days) are the convention? I haven’t paid attention! I think it’s right around my birthday....the 23rd. Well wouldn’t that be a great way to celebrate!!!!
I am going to yell this.....I DON’T CARE WHO IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, I WILL ONLY FOLLOW NEWT AND ONLY DO WHAT HE SAYS. HE IS THE ONLY ONE I WILL RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT AS LEADER. SO HE HAS ALREADY WON IN MY BOOK!!!! GOD HAS SENT US NEWT, WE MUST FIGHT FOR HIM.
I can tell you that 3rd parties are relatively ineffective from personal experience onyx. Up here parties outside the Liberals, Conservatives and NDP have very little influence.