Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why the ‘Strategists’ Are Wrong About a Brokered Convention.
Breitbart.com ^ | March 17, 2012 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 03/17/2012 8:34:10 PM PDT by true believer forever

Along with the realization that Conservatives can win in a Conservative-leaning country, comes the ugly truth that the “establishment” Republican apparatus is – just like the Chicago politician – more concerned with maintaining power and “selecting” candidates than doing the hard work of administering to a bottom-up organization – such as the Republican Party was chartered to be.

Today’s Republican establishment is, for all practical purposes, a mirror (or converse) image of the Democrat Party; an organization structured from the top-down. This power-hoarding of the hierarchy is evidenced by the ridiculous move to award convention delegates proportionately, a move more in line with the abolition of the Electoral College than with the preservation of the Republic.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: breitbart; brokeredconvention; convention; gope; newt; newtworship; santorum; slimandnone
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-129 next last
Are you ready for a showdown?
1 posted on 03/17/2012 8:34:24 PM PDT by true believer forever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

Today’s Republican establishment is, for all practical purposes, a mirror (or converse) image of the Democrat Party

Either this writer is very young or Very Stupid, It has been this way My Entire ADULT LIFE.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 8:44:15 PM PDT by eyeamok
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

I want to see establishment blood on the floor.


3 posted on 03/17/2012 8:45:57 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: eyeamok

Frank is a budding member of the CONverse, but his heart’s in sorta the right place in spite of that.


4 posted on 03/17/2012 8:47:34 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

The article makes some good strategic points.


5 posted on 03/17/2012 8:50:13 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan
I want to see establishment blood on the floor.

Would you settle for bodies on the floor? Newt's done that once before... and I have to believe he's honed his skill over the years:

“I’m not sure [Gingrich] ever had a lot of friends here, and I’m not sure he cared, because he came here to accomplish a purpose, not to make buddies,” said Ken Kies, an influential tax lobbyist and a Gingrich donor. “Newt led a revolution, so that tends to leave bodies on the floor.”

6 posted on 03/17/2012 9:01:11 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan
I want to see establishment blood on the floor.

I'd gladly trade 50 yd line Superbowl tickets for a chance to witness that event!!!

7 posted on 03/17/2012 9:01:47 PM PDT by varon (Congress is a sanctuary for political criminals)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever
I am in support of going to the convention to contest in how the establishment republicans are taking this party
in the wrong direction.

I am all for Newt exposing the weakness of the party and what the republican party should be. Newt can protest these

concerns and force a showdown to make conservatism the platform. It will get ugly but if Newt holds his ideas to

respect of conservatism, principled integrity, America would be more better for it. We cannot continue on this path. Bold changes has to be the issue in fighting Obama, not just social issues. Without the America we know, you will not have to ponder right or wrong; we'll be living under socialism and the government will tell us what is right and wrong.

8 posted on 03/17/2012 9:04:05 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

I’ll settle for bodies on the floor.


9 posted on 03/17/2012 9:05:25 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: eyeamok

Perhaps the author was meaning that the GOP has evolved into a mirror image of the donks. That’s how I read it.

There are good observations in the piece. How realistic it is to expect or even hope that the GOP elite would assume these tactics, is another matter..


10 posted on 03/17/2012 9:05:41 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Slings and Arrows
The article makes some good strategic points.

A few days ago, a Freeper posted this daunting worst case scenario about the Showdown in Tampa and, at first, I felt bad because I respected his perspective, but then I thought, it's going to be that way forever, no matter what, so why not do it now and do it with Newt to boot!

"First ballots don't solve anything so the delegates are released to pick Newt, Palin, Rubio whatever...right? Wrong! The GOP-e will be making the rules as they go along and like 1976, they will anoint Romney just like they did Gerald Ford over Ronald Reagan. They have too much invested in Mendacious Mitt to let a silly conservative majority stand in their way. Why do you think super RINO of color Michael Steele is so looking forward to a brokered convention—he and the GOP-e know the plan and they are laughing at their useful idiot from Georgia." (end of FR post excerpt)

11 posted on 03/17/2012 9:07:42 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

I have been saying for a year now we needed a TEA Party March on GOP headquarters...

The GOP Convention would do just as well


12 posted on 03/17/2012 9:07:54 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever; b9; RitaOK; Marguerite; Cincinatus' Wife; Gator113; Marcella
Are you ready for a showdown?

You betcha!



13 posted on 03/17/2012 9:08:57 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan
I’ll settle for bodies on the floor.

I'm so happy I was able to talk you down of the ledge!!

14 posted on 03/17/2012 9:09:35 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever; kalee; TitansAFC; LuvFreeRepublic; Sea Parrot; SweetCaroline; ...

Newt.org

15 posted on 03/17/2012 9:14:20 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Christie at the beach
Newt can protest these concerns and force a showdown to make conservatism the platform. It will get ugly but if Newt holds his ideas to respect of conservatism, principled integrity, America would be more better for it.

It certainly will get ugly... but think of this, because here is the key, if Newt gets to speak at that convention, just one primetime speech, one typical Newt speech, America changes. America changes. I don't know about the republican party, they are so atrophied at this point, but America changes.

16 posted on 03/17/2012 9:14:21 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: onyx; true believer forever; b9; RitaOK; Marguerite; Cincinatus' Wife; Gator113; Marcella; ...

What are everyone’s thoughts about the long term prospects of the conservative movement? Is working within the Republican Party preferable to.....?


17 posted on 03/17/2012 9:15:40 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: onyx

We share the dream. :)


18 posted on 03/17/2012 9:16:09 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever
Hell yes, we're ready!


19 posted on 03/17/2012 9:22:15 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

An excellent read.

Bring it!


20 posted on 03/17/2012 9:24:10 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan; onyx

>> What are everyone’s thoughts about the long term prospects of the conservative movement?

Well, we have a significant portion voting for an establishment bit player.


21 posted on 03/17/2012 9:26:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever
I've read all your post on this thread, BOY do I love your devotion to NEWT, I share that love and admiration for such a dedicated patriotic American as Newt Gingrich.

I want Newt to go for the jugular of the GOPe in Tampa. I'm positive he knows how.

22 posted on 03/17/2012 9:30:06 PM PDT by annieokie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Yosemitest

Great job, Yose.

To see those Rinos all lined up together is nauseating, isn’t it?


23 posted on 03/17/2012 9:30:39 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Gene Eric

I’m trying to get some thoughts about a 3rd party movement vs working within the Republican Party, or growing the Tea Party movement and having it get behind conservative candidates instead of the most conservative Republican, or......


24 posted on 03/17/2012 9:33:24 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

If they try that they will lose the election, and lose me and many others as members.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 9:34:14 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

Getting to 1,144 gets harder and harder. If there is an open convention, most of the delegates will be conservatives.


26 posted on 03/17/2012 9:40:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

Thanks for this thread.
_______
HEY! FRANK SALVATO! YEAH YOU!!! I know your editor wants column inches out of you, but at least TRY to be relevant! Democrat Dick is who you are waiting to hear his reply to you?

HEY! We, the voters, are over here! The last two Administrations have assigned a combined 9 TRILLION dollars of IOU’s to your grandchildren’s descendants, and you write a Q and A to Dick Morris?

If the RINO Express wins the Nominee again for the Establishment RNC, the Tampa will be the Last Hurrah for the Party of Lincoln. Take it to the Bank.

None of your points addressed the major financial issues of this National Election. All you wrote about was gibberish about “ Just hold your nose, AGAIN, when you vote for OUR Nominee.”

BTW, how did that strategy work out for the RNC back in 2008?


27 posted on 03/17/2012 9:41:28 PM PDT by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever
...The benefits of a brokered convention.. we would see:

a) Barack Obama’s campaign apparatus split into four redundant efforts as its war chest is depleted.

b) an Obama campaign without advanced research and preparation about the GOP candidate.

c) a GOP primary slate that acts like they actually believe Progressivism and Barack Obama are the opponents and not their fellow Republicans

How sweet would that be!!! On to Convention!!!!!

28 posted on 03/17/2012 9:42:13 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: onyx
Go get em' Newt! The American people don’t want Romney or Obama. We want a new government - a small limited government with freedom, liberty and back to the Constitution. I hope the various Tea Party groups get together and ‘call up’ a massive 2 million person Tea Party Rally at the convention with Sarah/Newt signs and Gadsdens waving. Now that would be a site to behold.

What is it going to take for them to get the message? We want our country back!

29 posted on 03/17/2012 9:43:52 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever
All this week Romney has been carpet bombing Santorm in IL prior to the March 20th primary. Newt has been running ads to and his are upbeat and positive as opposed to Romney's. I haven't heard a lot of Santorm ads yet, but I'm sure he's running them.

The bottom line: I positively LOATHE Romney for what he is doing. I will vote for Newt because I feel he's the best guy to go against BOTH Obama, the Donkeys, the MSM, and the RINO establishment elite.

I want to see RINO establishment elite's blood and bodies on the floor of the convention. I want these RINOs driven out or reduced to impotence for a long time. They have urinated on conservatives for my lifetme and they have squandered this country's reputation and riches and military and working people like a bunch of methamphetamine addicts. Time to put an end to the RINO establishment elite — and you creeps know who you are.

30 posted on 03/17/2012 9:44:19 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Mr. K

I’m in!


31 posted on 03/17/2012 9:44:58 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of th e Left fall out!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan
What are everyone’s thoughts about the long term prospects of the conservative movement? Is working within the Republican Party preferable to.....?

These are mine in the following post from born to Conserve. He said it much better than me, but I once tried to encourage this Freeper who was saying he was tired, he had had it, no more republican party, he wasn't going to do anything but prepare for the end of America. And I tried to tell him, I could understand why he was tired, but if he could hold on, and even vote for romney if he had to, on Jan 21, 2013, we could start organizing to oppose romney at re-election, and a new generation of young people would be on board because of Newt. a lot can be done in 4 years, and no 3rd party this time to screw things up really.

03/16/2012 9:47:19 PM PDT · 65 of 72 Born to Conserve to true believer forever

The dual party system is about to shift on its axis. In the great depression, the distinguishing axis was that of socialism vs individual rights. During WWII and the Cold War, the distinguishing axis was socialism vs national defense. Now we’re going back to the socialism vs individual rights.

Seeing the pattern? We have to quash socialism once and for all. Get rid of the red menace, and everything else will resolve itself.

What to expect: the republican party is going to split, the “Tea Party” will form, the big government socialists will go to the democrat party and the republican party will cease to exist. In the democrat party, the moral conservatives will go to the Tea Party, and the socialists will remain. For this election cycle, Romney will win, and will be the last Republican (in name) president. During his reign, the representatives and senators will start taking sides, of the aisle, literally. The left (democrats) will support Romney, the right (Tea Partyers) will oppose him.

Gingrich and Palin will be elected in four years under the new Tea Party.


32 posted on 03/17/2012 9:45:24 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever
“Newt led a revolution, so that tends to leave bodies on the floor.”

And he'll do this at Convention as well....I can hardly wait to see that game played. The establishment will do all they can to stop it.....poor Romney hadn't considered this no doubt...hahahaha!

33 posted on 03/17/2012 9:45:37 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Christie at the beach

What a comfortable post to read....fits like a pair of old slippers you can just slip into....thanks... and I agree!


34 posted on 03/17/2012 9:48:35 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Yosemitest
Great post, however, you omitted one-
35 posted on 03/17/2012 9:50:22 PM PDT by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: caww
And he'll do this at Convention as well....I can hardly wait to see that game played.

I have so many vacation days I haven't taken, and I put in for all of them for a little before, through, and after the convention. I so much hope it turns out to be a showdown. I love showdowns!!

36 posted on 03/17/2012 9:50:22 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: onyx; true believer forever

Thanks for the ping, onyx.
And thanks for the great post, TBF!

Buckle up ~ Newt’s ready to rumble!


37 posted on 03/17/2012 9:51:19 PM PDT by b9 (Newt is substance. The others are talking points.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

If the RINO establishment elites try to block Newt from speaking at the convention in Tampa, there WILL be Hell to pay. (Sometimes, I really do pity the poor, dumb RINO establishment elite because they really don’t have a clue what kind of high explosives they are playing with. That takes about a second and I get over it.)


38 posted on 03/17/2012 9:52:00 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Mr. K
I have been saying for a year now we needed a TEA Party March on GOP headquarters... The GOP Convention would do just as well.

And you know what the upside of this is, if you are a Newt supporter, I don't think Santorum has the stomach for this, while Newt would revel in it, and shove their heads in the sand at the Convention. Newt isn't exactly what you would call a "team player".

39 posted on 03/17/2012 9:54:34 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan
What are everyone’s thoughts about the long term prospects of the conservative movement? Is working within the Republican Party preferable to.....?

I'm ready to pull the plug. This primary is dashing my hopes, but a brokered convention with blood on the floor might prove to be the remedy.

GO Sarah and Newt!

40 posted on 03/17/2012 9:56:01 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho

BTTT


41 posted on 03/17/2012 9:56:54 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: MasterGunner01

MasterGunner...Good post...

It took me a long time to realize (dah) the Republican elites were fighting conservativism/grassroots...I just didn’t get it because I was a Republican gal for years.

Thank God for Freepers who “educated” me and were patient as I asked questions and tried to understand why such annimosty toward the party.

Now I can explain to others in the party...and I do just that! Once they get it then they are all for this going to convention and see it as the last showdown. Win or loose we have to do this thing.....and may God raise Newt high....Gods never late when we give him room to act!


42 posted on 03/17/2012 9:58:57 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: MasterGunner01
If the RINO establishment elites try to block Newt from speaking at the convention in Tampa, there WILL be Hell to pay.

I don't think they would do that, at least that is what a freind told me, only that they may give him a crappy time slot. But here's the thing, the establishment has no idea of the power of Newt's speeches. No idea.

43 posted on 03/17/2012 9:58:58 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: b9; true believer forever

BTTT
GO Newt!
GO BROKERED!


44 posted on 03/17/2012 9:59:58 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

“the moral conservatives will go to the Tea Party”

I don’t completely agree with this. I see some moral conservatives that are quite comfortable with programs like Social Security etc. Many conservative Catholics, for instance, adhere to “social justice” doctrine. Furthermore, I see a statist/nanny state streak among some conservatives ala Mike Huckabee. I don’t think it would be a 100% shift. Do you?

Before anyone jumps on me I mean no offense. Just making an observation. Not making judgements.


45 posted on 03/17/2012 10:00:33 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: annieokie
I want Newt to go for the jugular of the GOPe in Tampa. I'm positive he knows how.

Newt is very surgically gifted, they'll bleed to death before they even notice he's sliced them. Some people need cannon balls, newt uses a scalpel. GO NEWT!

46 posted on 03/17/2012 10:01:39 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

Oh my gosh what (days) are the convention? I haven’t paid attention! I think it’s right around my birthday....the 23rd. Well wouldn’t that be a great way to celebrate!!!!


47 posted on 03/17/2012 10:03:06 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: true believer forever

I am going to yell this.....I DON’T CARE WHO IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, I WILL ONLY FOLLOW NEWT AND ONLY DO WHAT HE SAYS. HE IS THE ONLY ONE I WILL RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT AS LEADER. SO HE HAS ALREADY WON IN MY BOOK!!!! GOD HAS SENT US NEWT, WE MUST FIGHT FOR HIM.


48 posted on 03/17/2012 10:07:00 PM PDT by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: onyx

I can tell you that 3rd parties are relatively ineffective from personal experience onyx. Up here parties outside the Liberals, Conservatives and NDP have very little influence.


49 posted on 03/17/2012 10:07:36 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: trappedincanuckistan

You’re right.


50 posted on 03/17/2012 10:09:50 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-129 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson