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Nine months in trade school. Job guaranteed.
cnn.com ^ | 3/14/2012 | Parija Kavilanz

Posted on 03/18/2012 8:37:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

As millions of young Americans struggle to land jobs, students in manufacturing trade schools are sitting in a sweet spot. They're being hired even before they graduate.

Two weeks ago, students from the manufacturing program in Chicago's Wilbur Wright-Humboldt Park vocational college attended a local job fair.

"Five of our students were hired in just one day," said lead instructor Bryant Redd. The new hires are from a class of 41 students who are still four months away from completing a nine-month advanced certification program in computerized numerical control (CNC) machining. In the program, students go beyond basic machining with classes in computer design, machine shop technology and machine shop math.

Manufacturers in the Chicago area are busier than ever lately, and they're "begging" for more workers trained in advanced manufacturing skills like CNC machining, said Redd.

It's not just in Chicago. Factory work has picked up considerably nationwide, making skilled workers a valuable commodity, said Marc Smierciak, associate dean of instruction at the vocational college.

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1 posted on 03/18/2012 8:37:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Will check into this. My husband worked at a heavy manufacturing for decades. Certified as welder now even.

Sadly, have to move to CHICAGO????

Ugh. But desperate times calls for desperate measures.


2 posted on 03/18/2012 8:43:02 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Do people use Linkin to make networks for blue collar jobs? If not they should. Or someone should start a blue collar version of it.

$Million idea there folks.


3 posted on 03/18/2012 8:43:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RoosterRedux

I have been telling the high school kids that if they learn how to operate the new computerized lathes and milling machines they will find good work immediately.


4 posted on 03/18/2012 8:43:38 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: DManA

LinkedIn that is.


5 posted on 03/18/2012 8:44:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: gortklattu

How long does it take to train someone to operate one of those?


6 posted on 03/18/2012 8:45:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RoosterRedux

Also... I have to express BS detection in this cheerleader CNN article.

But hoping for the best.


7 posted on 03/18/2012 8:45:14 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

If your husband is a certified welder and you’re willing to relocate, I’d recommend looking into employment opportunities related to Marcellus Shale extraction in Pennsylvania. That region has been desperate for skilled welders for a while now.


8 posted on 03/18/2012 8:45:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: RoosterRedux

This is good but I’ll bet these jobs don’t pay very much.


9 posted on 03/18/2012 8:45:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

$45K plus OT.


10 posted on 03/18/2012 8:47:39 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: gortklattu

We have a few specialty machine shops around this area.

One that works with specialty alloys is in the process of expanding for the third time in about 6 years.

Usually 10-20 highly trained machinists, making $15-25/hr.

non union.


11 posted on 03/18/2012 8:48:50 AM PDT by digger48
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To: RoosterRedux

My mom was a teacher (a good one) for 25 years. It was apparent to me that more than a few kids she was teaching were going to college because it was ‘the thing to do’ when it would better serve them to go to a technical school to learn a skill. It used to be that a college degree opened doors that led to good, high-paying jobs. A college degree is no longer as much of a guarantee as it was ‘back in the day’ ..... having a ‘working with your hands’ skill has been something our society has been losing, to our detriment.


12 posted on 03/18/2012 8:50:16 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: RoosterRedux

The student they show won’t have any trouble getting hired.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2012/03/14/smallbusiness/trade-schools/female-manufacturing.top.jpg

I assume that ‘22’ refers to her waist...

Seriously, women do very well in these jobs and are treated well by their coworkers.


13 posted on 03/18/2012 8:50:54 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: digger48
Usually 10-20 highly trained machinists, making $15-25/hr.

Janitors and housecleaners make $20.00 hour.

14 posted on 03/18/2012 8:53:58 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RoosterRedux

My cousin years ago got “accidentally” on the college waiting list as he claimed he paid and submitted the proper forms and grades to get to college. The registrar told him to get lost..

Pissed off, he wanted to study in the fall and looked for schools. He found PLUMBING in the adult education center. He never looked at himself as a plumber but tried it.

Years later, he holds the contracts for the top condominiums in the downtown area and makes more money than his university-education liberal brothers.


15 posted on 03/18/2012 8:54:04 AM PDT by max americana
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To: metmom; wintertime

Not a homeschooling article, but this could be the beginning of something positive. It indicates an alternative to the useless high schools we currently have.


16 posted on 03/18/2012 8:54:21 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: autumnraine
Also... I have to express BS detection in this cheerleader CNN article.

Your BS detector is working just fine. A cursory check of MS Kavilanz "credentials" reveals two interesting facts: she Journalism major, not an economist; she is reported to have been "excoriated" by a senior CNN writer for making up a quote by a "doctor" about his salary. In other words, just another "I wanna change the world" left-biased (but "balanced") reporterette.

17 posted on 03/18/2012 8:56:05 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: RoosterRedux

This mirrors my recent thinking. There are so many kids with degrees who are lucky to find a job in retail, even. A friend’s daughter has a master’s in the Japanese language (!), and is currently going for her doctorate, working part-time at our community college, and living at home. I wonder if she will ever stop being a student and be able to earn a good living.

Meanwhile, as an opposite example, our long-time auto mechanic owns a VERY thriving garage-—it’s growing constantly-—and is rumored in the community to be a millionaire. Yes, he gets his hands very dirty during the day. But he cleans up well, and if you happen to see him out in the evenings, he looks like any other well-to-do gentleman. Plus, if the economy ever collapses, he’ll have an in-demand skill that can be used to barter.

It’s really too bad kids think they’re too good for blue-collar work.


18 posted on 03/18/2012 8:58:30 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: RoosterRedux
Actually, this article is correct, with an unmentioned twist.

The main problem is boys and modern life. When I grew up boys were building model airplanes in their youth, working on cars (hot rods) in their adolescence, and by young adulthood were quite capable with their hands. They could move into a manufacturing job with ease, and there were lots young guys to fill them.

Today kids don't build anything. And cars are almost impossible to work on - not to mention that hod rodding is financially unreachable for most kids. As a consequence, trying to find someone that even knows which end of tool to pick up is difficult.

And I can't say for every field, but I can assure you that in aviation, someone that is REALLY good at sheet metal will be paid as much as a entry to mid level engineer. A move might be required, but there are companies paying BOUNTIES for top quality sheet metal people. As kids grow up less and less quipped to use their hands, I only expect that increase.

19 posted on 03/18/2012 9:09:10 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name ( i)
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To: RoosterRedux

Chicago, home of the Obama crime machine. CNN, the home of any lie that helps Democrats.


20 posted on 03/18/2012 9:11:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Not picked up dummy, baby boomers that can afford too are retiring.


21 posted on 03/18/2012 9:15:35 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: autumnraine
Keep reading:

"It's not just in Chicago. Factory work has picked up considerably nationwide, making skilled workers a valuable commodity...

22 posted on 03/18/2012 9:17:26 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RoosterRedux
As millions of young Americans struggle to land jobs, students in manufacturing trade schools are sitting in a sweet spot. They're being hired even before they graduate.

I can believe this, because they're learning employable skills that can help a company make a profit.

As opposed to those liberal arts degrees that college students are getting to debt for $80,000+ for.

23 posted on 03/18/2012 9:17:48 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: DManA

3 to six months, most community colleges and engineering schools have training available. Also depends on how good you are at math.


24 posted on 03/18/2012 9:18:13 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: autumnraine
"My husband worked at a heavy manufacturing for decades. Certified as welder now even."

"Sadly, have to move to CHICAGO?"

There has been a shortage of certified welders for years. The economic downturn and reduction in commercial construction have lessened the impact of the shortage, but there is still a shortage.

While some locations may have limited opportunities, there are other locations which have extreme shortages.

You do not necessarily have to move. Many welders travel to construction jobs at their employer's expense. My brother in law is a certified welder. He lives in the middle of nowhere and travels to construction sites in major cities in the U.S. and Canada.

If you do consider moving, consider the oil patches of North Dakota or Texas.

25 posted on 03/18/2012 9:19:30 AM PDT by magellan
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To: I cannot think of a name

We had something in NYC called trade schools. You went there as an alternative to high school.


26 posted on 03/18/2012 9:19:59 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: digger48

More than that.


27 posted on 03/18/2012 9:20:10 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: DManA

The smart ones do.

I’m not “blue collar” by any means, but I sure know the value of LinkedIn. It’s an invaluable tool. I’m in the supercomputing field (high performance computing, aka HPC). I’m connected to nearly 1000 heavy-hitters in the HPC arena on LinkedIn. Unbelievable the folks I’m directly connected to and can readily communicate directly with due to that site.


28 posted on 03/18/2012 9:24:28 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: I cannot think of a name
I think you are correct.

OTOH, I was watching my local access TV station the other day and the hot new activity in the local high school is robotics. They robotics club/team is going to CA for a competition (we are in GA).

29 posted on 03/18/2012 9:25:11 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: autumnraine

They are looking for welders in the Marcellus Shale areas in PA for sure.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 9:29:24 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: RoosterRedux
thre are thousands of job shops in this country, and many are looking for those who are CAD and APT proficient and/or can set up and run CNC machine jobs...
31 posted on 03/18/2012 9:30:40 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RoosterRedux; EQAndyBuzz

You’re both correct, but it is even more than that.

When I was growing up, like most kids in the neighborhood, my Dad did most of the upkeep around the house himself out of financial necessity. We needed a large tool shed for the back yard, we built one. Another light and switch in the hallway, we installed one. By time I left home at 18, I don’t think I could build a house from scratch, but there was very little about the process that I didn’t know something about.

Now days, with so many single households and the like, young men get almost NO experience with their hands, or how to repair anything. A neighbor near us (less than half my age) got burned terribly by some “home improvement” company. When he told me the story, my first thought was - how could you be so stupid, I knew better than that when I was ten years old. But I said nothing because how little he knows is not unusual, and just a sad fact of modern life.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 9:33:48 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name ( i)
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To: RoosterRedux
It's simple, really; everyone can't be the "CEO", some have to be the "worker bees". The high side to that is, the CEO's can't do a thing without the workers.

The colleges are drowning in liberalism and political correctness and handing out diplomas like obama hands out food stamps. Unfortunately, the world is not "the land of Oz" and having a diploma does not necessarily make one smart.

But, it puts them to the front of the line for getting interviews; I've noticed that many job ads now, even for the most menial tasks, require a bachelor's degree. And it seems that the longer kids go to college the more liberal they become.

Trade schools provide a dire need for qualified people - the type of people that keep America running.

As a kid growing up in a mill village I always wanted to be an executive, and wear fine suits and ties to work...well, that happened and I wore a suit and tie to work for over 30 years - hated every minute of it.

My Dad wanted me to be an electrician...and looking back I really wish that I had listened to him. Housing was booming then and I think I would have been a lot happier, and healthier, wearing jeans, climbing ladders, and stringing wire. I would probably have made more money and had a lot less stress in the long term, too.

Hindsight is 20-20.

College is fine for those who want to be doctors, engineers, or lawyers (but we have too many Perry-Mason-wannabes out there now)but a lot of kids are lured into exotic sounding degrees to placate their young ideals and TV-inspired dreams, and they can't find employment in those exotic fields, so they are thousands of dollars in student loan debt, working at a shoe store somewhere...or fast food.

Many won't agree with my take, but I've been watching the world for over 60 years and these things I have observed are out there, and growing.

Liberal arts are ok....I love to write and draw and play music but I know I was never good enough at those things to make a living at them...not a very good living anyway. However, if you've had to pay a plumbing bill or and electrician lately, you know what I'm talking about.


33 posted on 03/18/2012 9:34:34 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: autumnraine

Best of luck. There are so great areas around Chicago. I have family in Lincolnshire and Arlington Heights. Two pretty nice areas.


34 posted on 03/18/2012 9:39:43 AM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; ...

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This actually might be of interest to homeschoolers. I know many homeschoolers try to decide what to do about high school. This sort of an idea could be something to work from.

35 posted on 03/18/2012 9:49:29 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Chode

I’m looking at going back to school to pick up something else. CNC is something I will look into. Other ideas are electronics maintenance/repair and industrial robotics.


36 posted on 03/18/2012 9:50:43 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: RightOnline

Well supercomputing engineers are by definition “the smart ones”.

Seems there is a squeeze going on here. The value of the work needing to be done apparently isn’t worth the expense of training someone to do it. And where it is there’s no guarantee the company will be the beneficiary of the cost since the employee is free to go work for a higher bidder. And the manufacturers don’t want to offer long term contracts for these guys because business might require them to lay them off at any time.

Big problems mean big opportunities for someone clever enough to solve them.


37 posted on 03/18/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: napscoordinator

I spent a couple of weeks with some relatives of friends in Arlingeton Heights back in the mid 80s when I was a teen. I really enjoyed the time there.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 9:58:08 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: CatherineofAragon
We had a neighbor growing up who started out as a garbage man and went on to own his own sanitation business. He bought the huge mansion up the hill from our house and drove a really nice Benz.

And you should see the fees our current HOA pays the guy who picks up the dog crap in our community. He's putting himself through college on what he's earning by picking up after the college graduate students who refuse to pick up after their own dogs. We have a ton of grad students living around here, they all have dogs, and they all think someone else should pick up after them.

It's all about your attitude and energy level. Making lemonade out of lemons.

39 posted on 03/18/2012 9:58:54 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Alberta's Child
BIG difference between a certified welder and a certified pipe welder.

And yes, I DO KNOW what I'm talking about. I was a "certified" welder before I became a pipefitter and I currently carry 8 welding certs for pipe welding.

40 posted on 03/18/2012 9:59:48 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: wally_bert
My son is finishing up electronics thru the local community college. It's an accelerated coarse in partnership with the local mines. He has a high paying job as soon as he's done.
41 posted on 03/18/2012 10:01:26 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

yup, I’ve encouraged both of my sons to get in the garage and build stuff. As a result I can never find my tools when I need them but they both have the common skills that don’t seem to be that common anymore.


42 posted on 03/18/2012 10:02:00 AM PDT by Jeff Vader
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To: FrankR

I should have went the trades route too looking back but I was bitten by the technology bug back in early 90s.

Tech jobs are dry in my area and I admit I don’t really love it any more. Fixing people’s stuff on the side has declined a lot too. Computers are near disposable items.

I fooled with package conveyors, winches, davits, hoists, and dumbwaiters among other things while in the Navy. It never dawned on me to look into elevator mechanics.

At one tech job, I supported trades people and one of them was a senoir elevator mechanic. He got me looking into it and could use him as a reference to get started in the trade. The economy blew out and so did that idea.


43 posted on 03/18/2012 10:03:19 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: RoosterRedux
I work part-time in Australia and “fitters’, boileys and electricians make $ 200-300K+ in mining!
44 posted on 03/18/2012 10:11:52 AM PDT by TRY ONE (Obummer: The economy sucks......might as well go play golf)
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To: ladyvet

I just went through the local tech college continuing ed short course stuff for electronics. I may go that route since there aren’t so many hoops to go through and I don’t need a ton of esoteric stuff again.

I’ve fixed computers and related for years and done some low level board part replacing here and there plus I tend to learn fast and get bored with slow paced conventional classrooms.

The other path is enrolling and doubling electronics and robotics (fair amount of overlap) certificate programs. I plan on doing the enrollment stuff this week and see what is what. Enrolling at the little tech college has a lot of hoops mainly to justify some useless jobs I guess.


45 posted on 03/18/2012 10:18:44 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: TRY ONE

Oz is sounding better and better.


46 posted on 03/18/2012 10:20:16 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Jeff Vader
“As a result I can never find my tools when I need them but they both have the common skills that don’t seem to be that common anymore.”

As annoying as that can be, it could be MUCH worse. At least they won't move back home at 40 because they are unable to find work.

Just think of the poor parents that are more than a 100k in debt so that junior could spend four years at UCLA getting a degree in, “Queer Musicology.”

47 posted on 03/18/2012 10:23:21 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name ( i)
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To: RoosterRedux

bttt


48 posted on 03/18/2012 10:23:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mit brennender Sorge)
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I think that Santorum guy said something about not everyone should go to college. He is right, and a lot of the people there already do not belong there.

Once we have Obamma and all these college only "edjumacated peoples" who will people have fix their plumbing, heating electrical and carpentry.

I have been plumbing for 32 years and haven't picked up tool in 15 years but applied myself and directed my skills toward 3D drawing and fixing all the "college edjumacated peoples" mistakes. Their mistakes are so numerous that one has to wonder how they ever graduated as engineers and architects. Most of them belong designing stairwells and parking garages.

It is time American parents started explaining to kids that college is not for everyone and that a damm good living can be made by working with your head and your hands. As for what the wages are i would say 90 to 120 dollars an hour is what they are worth because one has to keep in mind that after 35 years of climbing ladders and jumping into ditches one body is shot.

49 posted on 03/18/2012 10:25:17 AM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: autumnraine
Also... I have to express BS detection in this cheerleader CNN article.

Here in Detroit, Project Hope is a training facility to teach young people manufacturing jobs such as welding, tool and die....etc.

I knew a guy who was a supervisor there for a brief period of time until my company hired him. He said the students had no discipline, no work ethic, no real desire to learn a trade and they showed up when they wanted.

The only reason they were tolerated was because of the state and federal grants the facility was being paid per student........

50 posted on 03/18/2012 10:32:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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