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What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources?
The American Thinker ^ | March 18, 2012 | Greg Lewis

Posted on 03/18/2012 12:46:10 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

....The evidence is mounting that not only do we have more than a century's worth of recoverable oil in the United States alone (even if there is a limit to the earth's oil supply), but that we also actually have a limitless supply of Texas tea because oil is in fact a renewable resource that is being constantly created deep under the earth's surface and which rises upward, where microscopic organisms that thrive in the intense pressure and heat miles below us interact with and alter it.

In other words, we have an unending supply of oil, some of which is constantly migrating upward from the depths at which it is created to refill existing oil deposits, and much more of which remains far below the surface. This oil can be recovered using existing technology.

....Russian technology was developed in the 1970s to test the theory by drilling as deep as 40,000 feet into the earth. As a result, Russia was the first nation to begin to understand and exploit these renewable oil reserves, and today their oil industry is thriving.

The political implications for Barack Obama and the radical environmentalist base he panders to with his corrupt "renewable" energy policy are profound. First, as we've seen, the president continually misrepresents the amount of recoverable oil available to us. His assertion that we have "only two percent of the world's oil reserves" available to us is simply a lie, as Susan Duclos documents in this piece. We're awash in oil reserves, and it's up to our political candidates to expose Obama's baseless fabrications about our energy reserves.

Beyond that, most Americans have digested the fact that the entire environmentalist rationale for pursuing "green energy" technology is built on fabricated global warming....

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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To: jonrick46

The Earth’s moon never had enough oxygen to support organisms anywhere. Nor has it ever had enough atmosphere to support H20 in liquid form. H20 on the moon is like C02 on earth. You can freeze CO2 into a solid (dry ice) but it will sublimate directly to gas skipping the liquid form entirely.

The moon simply does not have enough mass to have an atmosphere in the planetary sense. Atmospheric pressure and volume are directly proportional to the gravity, and Earth’s moon just doesn’t have enough.


51 posted on 03/18/2012 2:03:59 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Earth Juice


52 posted on 03/18/2012 2:05:48 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Melas
I don’t know if you’d call it a reliable source, but I’d be happy to drive you around Texas and show you derelict rigs that are still sitting over dried up wells. It sure didn’t replenish.

Ever heard of "stripper wells"? Those would be "dried up" oil wells that were started up with the existing infrastructure in place and produce commercially-viable quantities of oil again. Prominent in the Permian Basin.

53 posted on 03/18/2012 2:06:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Brilliant

There is a slight bit of truth in their comment, the oceans are creating oil as we type. The same process that created these oil bearing sands hundreds of millions of years ago is still ongoing.


54 posted on 03/18/2012 2:06:33 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The truth is that nothing is limitless. The time will come where we not only do not have any oil, but we won’t have water or atmosphere. The Earth will be as dry and desolate as Mars. There are some interesting theories (which are unproven) that our assumptions about the mechanism by which oil reserves come into existence, but no scientist, not a single one has ever postulated that we have a limitless supply of oil.


55 posted on 03/18/2012 2:09:13 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
There are plenty of leaf prints in coal. None in crude oil.

Much like there are no leaf prints in oil derived from hydrogenated coal.

However, if one chooses to look, evidence of the biological origins are there, the same as they are there in crude oil pumped up through a well.

Which isn't to say that if anybody wants to, they can't put their money where their mouth is and hand over said money to someone buying up leases on previously depleted oilfields, secure in the knowledge that they'll be topped up from below any day now...

56 posted on 03/18/2012 2:09:25 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Dusty Road
There is a slight bit of truth in their comment, the oceans are creating oil as we type. The same process that created these oil bearing sands hundreds of millions of years ago is still ongoing.

The ocean floor is emitting giant globs of crude oil off Long Beach, CA. Saw it. Too bad we can't harvest it.

57 posted on 03/18/2012 2:10:54 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

I’ve heard of them, in fact I have several of them and your definition of a stripper well is different than mine or the TRRC.


58 posted on 03/18/2012 2:11:23 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Those of us who have worked in the Oil Field have known these FACTS for 40 years, why has it taken so long for the press to pick up on it?? Maybe we should be asking members of the PRESS why they never bothered to report the TRUTH about Anything, instead of parroting the scumbag politicians. Seems to me there is a good case to be made for REVOKING the Broadcast License to use the PUBLIC AIRWAVES for all 3 networks, even though I have not watched anything on those channels in over 20 years, but I still read and hear the commentary on the radio and the clips of their gushing contempt for the Truth.


59 posted on 03/18/2012 2:13:49 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You can also make hydrogen from trash.

High-Powered Plasma Turns Garbage Into Gas

60 posted on 03/18/2012 2:14:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Figment; Cincinatus' Wife; Brilliant; BfloGuy; Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Even if it were true, it’s not being created fast enough to satisfy our appetite for oil.

If we do not know the process by which oil is produced we can not know the rate at which it is produced.

There are also huge areas of the planet where there has been no exploration for oil so saying that oil is a dwindling resource is totally irresponsible.

For all anyone knows if you drill deep enough you may find oil everywhere on the planet.

61 posted on 03/18/2012 2:17:30 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Also this piece: (I no longer have a direct link)

Earliest oil deposits show signs of life

Remnants of ancient oil found in Western Australia are more evidence that petroleum was being produced on Earth one billion years earlier than previously thought.

The droplets of bitumen were found in 3.2 billion to 2.63 billion year old shales in the Pilbara region, according to a report in the current issue of the journal Geology.

“The study extends the record of oil formation in source rocks by nearly one billion years,” reports Professor Birger Rasmussen, a geologist from the University of Western Australia.

Rasmussen says the presence of the bitumen nodules in the Pilbara shales suggests hydrocarbon generation was fairly common in the middle to late Archaean period of 2.5 to 3 billion years ago.

He says the finding casts doubt on the abiogenic origins of hydrocarbons, which suggests the earliest petroleum was created from a non-biological source rather than the burial and decomposition of biological material.

“In this case it looks like [the oil] was generated from the remains of organic debris,” he says.

There is also no indication that the rocks were subjected to the high temperatures that would have been necessary for abiogenic production, he says.

Oceans rich with life
The results imply that the Earth's oceans were teeming with organisms more than 3 billion years ago, Rasmussen says.

“It suggests that certainly as early as 3.2 billion years ago you had the accumulation of organic matter vast enough for the onset of petroleum generation,” he says.

“It suggests that certainly the world's oceans at that time hosted significant amounts of life to accumulate these thicknesses of organic rich shale from which these oils were generated.”

More potential sources of oil?
Australian expert in petroleum geology, Associate Professor Colin Ward of the University of New South Wales, says it's not surprising that algae and other simple life forms existed during this early stage of the Earth's history.

What is significant, is that there are now signs they were producing oil.

“He's found good evidence that the processes that generate oil were active in a very early history,” he says.

Rasmussen's discovery may have implications for exploration, Ward says.

“If focuses attention back on very old rocks as a possible places to look for more oil and gases,” he says.

Rasmussen's latest discovery comes after he found similar traces of bitumen in 3 billion year old sandstone in the same region. That discovery was reported in the journal Nature in 1998.


62 posted on 03/18/2012 2:20:01 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: onedoug

have you ever heard of the la brea tar pits in downtown LA? crude bubbles to the surface there


63 posted on 03/18/2012 2:20:49 PM PDT by Jeff Vader
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To: Brilliant

Well a couple Hundred Years at Our present Pace is a Good start


64 posted on 03/18/2012 2:24:06 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Jeff Vader

I’m sure everybody has, what’s your point?


65 posted on 03/18/2012 2:25:54 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Pontiac

If it’s not coming to the surface fast enough, then my original point remains valid... It’s not being produced fast enough. Drilling deeper is not without cost. These deep drilled wells cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

Personally, I am in favor of drilling deeper, but the idea that oil is just bubbling up all around us fast enough to feed our needs is contradicted by reality. If that were true, then we would not be talking about this problem.


66 posted on 03/18/2012 2:25:54 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Cincinatus' Wife


“.....we have an unending supply of oil, some of which is constantly migrating upward from the depths at which it is created to refill existing oil deposits.....”

Yes, but this is a process which takes millions of years.

Like it or not, the least expensive oil has already been extracted.

“New” oil is going to cost a whole lot more than “old” oil.


67 posted on 03/18/2012 2:27:05 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Now wouldn’t that put a fly in the ointment.....


68 posted on 03/18/2012 2:29:49 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Pontiac
If we do not know the process by which oil is produced we can not know the rate at which it is produced.

I don't disagree at all. I just don't know enough about the topic to argue about it. I hope the theory is true, though.

69 posted on 03/18/2012 2:32:03 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: tiki

Somewhere I have seen a quote that the total mass of microbes on and below the surface of the earth exceeds the total mass of all the more complex living beings. So if we want to ask the question: is there life on Mars, we shall have not to scratch the surface but drill beneath to see if there is life now there.


70 posted on 03/18/2012 2:34:43 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ok but question...

If the earth has been creating oil for millions of years...

Where did it all go before we started taping it about 150 years ago?...

There would need to be some kind of natural earth oil creation/consumption cycle,

Or else over the time of millions of years of creating oil the earth would just become one big glob of oil...

Or the creation of oil by the earth is just so slow we had not hit that critical mass when we started using it ...

And if the earth is that slow to create new oil

Then the replace rate for what we use would be irrelevant ...

I accept that new oil is created but at what rate?

And we would need to understand the natural earth oil creation/consumption cycle to tap in to it and use it before we "bet the farm" that nature will replace at the rate we use...

That not "green" lib BS...

That basic business and engineering logic that need to be applied to any energy source... there no free lunch...

If you think there is ...your no better that a lib blowing wind and sunshine energy up you ass without bottom lining and running the numbers on what you get out for what you invest in

71 posted on 03/18/2012 2:42:02 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Fee; Cincinatus' Wife
Problem is the term fossil fuel was invented by the oil industry to imply finite source thus they can justify the high prices and shortages in the future.

Do you have any sources (reputable) to support that statement.

I ask because I don’t see any proof in the statement supported by the prices of oil.

Governments make far more money/profit from oil than the oil companies. Remember that most of the oil in the world is owned by nations not by oil companies.

You may have fallen in to the trap of hating the evil oil companies that has been set by the Left.

Governments have a lot more interest in keeping the price of oil high than do oil companies.

72 posted on 03/18/2012 2:42:56 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/03/rocks-into-gas.html


73 posted on 03/18/2012 2:46:08 PM PDT by PullTheCart
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To: Hoplite
However, if one chooses to look, evidence of the biological origins are there, the same as they are there in crude oil pumped up through a well.

There are microfossils in crude oil that indicate its biological origin. All this abiogenic oil nonsense makes conservatives look ignorant.

74 posted on 03/18/2012 2:47:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: elkfersupper

But stripper wells weren’t dried up. They ceased producing commercially viable amounts of oil, and were abandoned. The economic situation changed as far as oil is concerned, and what wasn’t economically viable, became economically viable. This was further enhanced by tax breaks for running under-producing wells. The wells didn’t start producing more oil, the small amount they could produce just became profitable. The very definition of a stripper well is a well that can only produce 10 barrels a day.


75 posted on 03/18/2012 2:49:53 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Brilliant
Personally, I am in favor of drilling deeper, but the idea that oil is just bubbling up all around us fast enough to feed our needs is contradicted by reality.

Don’t be deceived it is bubbling up around us but our government while pandering to environmentalist has put huge areas off limits for drilling.

Oil is bubbling to the surface off our coast as we speak.

76 posted on 03/18/2012 2:50:46 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: eyeamok; All
"Those of us who have worked in the Oil Field have known these FACTS for 40 years, why has it taken so long for the press PRIESTS to pick up on it?? Maybe we should be asking members of the PRESS PRIESTHOOD why they never bothered to report the TRUTH about Anything, instead of parroting the scumbag politicians"

There ... being a religion an' all ... I fixed it.

77 posted on 03/18/2012 2:55:11 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Moonman62
There are microfossils in crude oil that indicate its biological origin. All this abiogenic oil nonsense makes conservatives look ignorant.

There are microfossils in tap water. Correlation is not causality.

78 posted on 03/18/2012 2:56:33 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: muir_redwoods

I asked a geologist at college once how all that plant and animal matter got buried so quickly. He said he didn’t know. I then asked if “global warming” is caused by burning oil, and “adding” carbon to the atmosphere, why is that viewed as bad? I mean the carbon had to COME from the atmosphere if the biotic theory of oil is correct.

Made him quite mad as I recall.


79 posted on 03/18/2012 2:58:25 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I was associated with drilling the Siljan Ring well in Sweden (Gravberg - 1) back in the 80s. By all indications hydrocarbons were found.

http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-89/issue-2/in-this-issue/exploration/sweden39s-siljan-ring-well-evaluated.html

Many still debate this for one reason or another.

Thomas Gold provides compelling evidence of the abiogenic origins of hydrocarbons. Makes for hopeful reading if you like that sort of thing.


80 posted on 03/18/2012 3:00:29 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Pontiac
“Oil is bubbling to the surface off our coast as we speak.”

I've seen estimates of from 1 million to 5 million barrels of oil seeps from the Gulf of Mexico yearly.

81 posted on 03/18/2012 3:01:48 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Pontiac; Brilliant
Personally, I am in favor of drilling deeper, but the idea that oil is just bubbling up all around us fast enough to feed our needs is contradicted by reality.

Not too brilliant a comment, a comment which is contradicted by reality. There's plenty of oil for a market that is larger than ever and in constant dollars it's been about the same for a long, long time. The perturbations of price have largely been from government manipulation or from attempted control by cartels or futures speculation about how governments are going to mess with exploration, production, and refining, or other things governments are doing to put the supply at risk. The amount of petroleum out there is mind-bogglingly large. Petroleum is formed at least 40 to 70 km deep in the mantle and percolates to the surface, collecting in geological formations that trap it. Those formations refill over time.
82 posted on 03/18/2012 3:03:48 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dusty Road
all of this take place on ocean floors over hundreds of millions of years.

I agree and firmly believe that the life cycles in the oceans, including plankton and higher life forms, involves everything falling to the sea bottom when it dies, and being processed by microbes, heat, and pressure into the black ooze.

I'm not so sure it takes hundreds of millions of years however. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean could very likely be able to force the oil to other locations including caverns or porous layers under dry land. This especially makes sense if our pumping oil creates a fluid imbalance and "new" oil seeps in to replace it.

83 posted on 03/18/2012 3:05:38 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Moonman62
All this abiogenic oil nonsense makes conservatives look ignorant.

Only to the intellectual elite, and we don't like them much around here.

= )

84 posted on 03/18/2012 3:05:38 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

No it doesn’t take hundreds of millions of year, just saying it’s been going on that long. To be more accurate I should have said billion’s. For reasons I can’t explain it seems to be layered and example would be right on our ranch. We’re hitting 5 different levels of oil bearing sands from 2800 ft to 8500 ft, my only explanation would be dramatic changes in sea levels over billions of years.


85 posted on 03/18/2012 3:11:00 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Brilliant

Hate to burst your bubble, but the price of gasoline has nothing to do with how much or where oil is in the ground.


86 posted on 03/18/2012 3:17:03 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Hoplite
“Only to the intellectual elite, and we don't like them much around here.”

I've never considered myself intellectually elite but I do consider myself well schooled in the oil business, with over 40 years as a petroleum engineer. I also agree with the poster it does make us look uneducated in the field.

87 posted on 03/18/2012 3:19:25 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Hoplite

I’m sure that I’m not the only one who’s troubled that intellectual has somehow been spun into a pejorative. Once upon time, it was actually considered a positive trait to be smart in conservative circles.


88 posted on 03/18/2012 3:20:18 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Dusty Road

I believe our oceans are a giant oil-making machine. Just think of the untapped resources out there in the way-deep.

How long before we have unmanned underwater exploration craft, like spacecraft, that will be able to scan and map the deep-sea topography and locate likely drilling sites?

The Deepwater Horizon blowout revealed some pretty incredible drilling technology as we watched at home on our computer monitors as the submarine robots capped the well.


89 posted on 03/18/2012 3:22:09 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Most of the people commenting on this thread need to put away the crack pipe and actually do some research about the occurrence and generation of hydrocarbons. Some of them sound like they failed junior high earth science. Oil and gas are being generated but at a rate that is too slow to be relevant to us. Not to mention that it takes millennium for it to migrate into a trap and be “concentrated” enough for us to produce. Oil, based on the human time scale, is a finite resource.


90 posted on 03/18/2012 3:28:49 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cutting edge post!

Abiogenic Oil is forever and the EnvironMentalists, even the GovernMental EnvironMentalists are deliberately trying to fool the American Consumer!!!

I never thought I'd see the day that the good people of this country would so systematically be led astray starting in K-12 government schools of indoctrination!!!

Even on this thread I see some who are unwilling to check beyond "CONventional Wisdom" and just accept rigid doctrines based on inadequate scientific proof!!!

91 posted on 03/18/2012 3:33:30 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: jonrick46

“I would be something if it were discovered that below the moon’s surface were oil deposits created when the moon had enough oxygen to support these organisms below the surface.”

Careful, next you’ll be saying we should incentivize private companies exploring the moon and setting up a moon station. :)

We already know that there are enormous amounts of platinum on the moon, but some here on FR believe we should just let the Chinese and the Russians have all the moon’s resources.


92 posted on 03/18/2012 3:59:51 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Whether renewable or not the explanation for the Russian oil industry revival is WRONG.

The USSR was taken down. The Russian state was resurrected. US and Japanese oil field experts were hired to FIX the fields. That was done and now the Russians are back in business.

93 posted on 03/18/2012 4:08:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tophat9000

“and use it before we “bet the farm” that nature will replace at the rate we use...”

Even if we believe that it’s dead dinosaur pools,, or like some nervous nellies, that it is made far too slow to be “sustainable”,, so what?
If it is finite,, then that means the world isn’t fair, and we were lucky enough to live in the petroleum era. In 35 years, 100 years,, 250 years,, whatever, they will have to find a way to power their world.

I wish them luck, but i fail to see why it is my job to decide how they will cope 100 years hence,, or why we shouldnt use every drop we can find.
As it is truly exhauted, the market will make it 1000 bucks a barrel, and alternatives will become feasable with every price increase.
What Obama and the left is doing is trying to PRETEND that we have run out, and are now at “peak oil”. If it were true, it would manifest itself no matter how much we drilled. There would be no need to shut down drilling everywhere. They could sit back and laugh as oil companies always failed to bring in the oil.

I say we use every drop we can without a single thought for generations 150 years from now. Totally serious.


94 posted on 03/18/2012 4:15:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There’s tons more plant matter than animal matter, and it’s been decomposing for millions of years.

Of course, we’d have to calculate the replacement rate, so it’s not unlimited per se. But I’d guess there’s plenty.


95 posted on 03/18/2012 4:17:59 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Melas

Thank you, but I’ve driven myself around Texas numerous times. If there is a pump-jack in place, it’s a working well. It may not operate full time, but it is a working well. Non working wells are plugged. To think that oil and gas have ceased to be produced is silly.


96 posted on 03/18/2012 4:18:17 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Melas

Refusing to drill and use every drop we can, because there may not be enough to last 1000 years,,would be like having a bag of doritos on a road trip. And insisting nobody eat them because the bag will not provide doritos forever.

When the doritos are gone, then we will either starve, or find something else to eat. What am i missing??


97 posted on 03/18/2012 4:19:13 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Cause he`s “Brilliant”!


98 posted on 03/18/2012 4:19:39 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Brilliant

Yes. Just look at the price at your local gas station.

That doesn’t back up your statement at all.


99 posted on 03/18/2012 4:19:58 PM PDT by Figment
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To: GunsareOK

ping


100 posted on 03/18/2012 4:20:56 PM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." --Kool-Aid)
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