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U.S. Soldier to Be Charged With Mass Afghan Murder
Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/8/2012 | DOUGLAS BELKIN, JOEL MILLMAN, JACK NICAS

Posted on 03/18/2012 3:37:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, the Army soldier who is set to be charged in the mass murder of 16 Afghan civilian men, women and children, spent the weekend in pretrial isolation as military prosecutors prepared a case that may carry the death penalty.

Staff Sgt. Bales, 38 years old, was brought to the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., late Friday to await the charges, which military officials said could come sometime this week. Meanwhile, a Seattle-based criminal attorney retained to defend Staff Sgt. Bales traveled to Kansas Sunday and planned to meet Monday with the soldier.

Staff Sgt. Bales has been in military custody since he surrendered following what U.S. officials described as a rampage through villages in Kandahar province in which he allegedly shot, stabbed and set ablaze men, women and children. Prosecutors have said nothing publicly about the case against him, although it has leaked out that Staff Sgt. Bales had been drinking. President Barack Obama said he has instructed the military to prosecute the case aggressively and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the suspect could face the death penalty.

The killings have stoked Afghan anger toward the U.S., especially coming after other incidents in which U.S. personnel burned the Quran and urinated on the corpses of Taliban fighters.

Staff Sgt. Bales's lawyers haven't denied the charges against the married father of two, but have said they would comb through his military history to determine what factors involved. That suggests a possible defense based on mental-health problems that were out of his control. They point out that he served three tours in Iraq and a tour in Afghanistan, and suffered traumatic brain injury as well as a severe foot injury.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afgancivilians; bales

1 posted on 03/18/2012 3:37:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
What ya wanna bet there are terrorist instruction manuals in each and every home.

Instructions to murder us by any means available.

To enslave our women and children.

2 posted on 03/18/2012 3:41:32 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: nickcarraway

“...may carry the death penalty...”

That’ll never stand.


3 posted on 03/18/2012 3:42:23 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: nickcarraway
Title: U.S. Soldier to Be Charged With Mass Afghan Murder

First Line: Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, the Army soldier who is set to be charged in the mass murder

While I have no doubt there will be charges, the title is a bit misleading. I am not a JAG officer, but I believe there is a little technicality known as an Article 32 hearing. Here is why it matters:

No charge or specification may be referred to a general court-martial for trial until a through and impartial investigation of all the matters set forth therein has been made. This investigation shall include inquiry as to the truth of the matter set forth in the charges, consideration of the form of charges, and recommendation as to the disposition which should be made of the case in the interest of justice and discipline.
IOW, no charges until an Article 32 has been conducted. The Article 32 will no doubt take weeks.
4 posted on 03/18/2012 3:46:32 PM PDT by Gamecock (Celebrating 17,153 replies of dubious quality!)
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To: nickcarraway
“although it has leaked out that Staff Sgt. Bales had been drinking.”

Where are troops getting alcohol in Afcrapistan? I thought General Order one banned alcohol? They ain't gettin’ it at the PX.

5 posted on 03/18/2012 3:47:11 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: carriage_hill
That’ll never stand.

The last one was what? '61?

It's been over 50 years since the military (judicially, via the UCMJ) has killed one of it's own.

I'm not going to be re-memorizing "Danny Deever" anytime soon.

/johnny

6 posted on 03/18/2012 3:49:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: nickcarraway

Will there be any recourse if this case if tied up with a bow before Hasan gets his court martial. Such a miscarriage of justice if Bales has a decision before Hasan.


7 posted on 03/18/2012 3:51:21 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: nickcarraway
On a related note: Robert Fisk: Madness is not the reason for this massacre

I'd love to send this SOB out on a combat deployment. We'll see how long his high-mindedness lasts when he must face reality.

8 posted on 03/18/2012 3:51:32 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Gamecock

Axelrod will bury this until after the election because they don’t want issues like Fort Hood and troop morale to be in the news.


9 posted on 03/18/2012 3:51:55 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: nickcarraway
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the suspect could face the death penalty.

The death penalty?
That's fair enough ,but I don't remember death penalty talk from the Obama administration when Major Hassan murdered about 15 fellow US soldiers at Ft. Hood. -tom

10 posted on 03/18/2012 3:53:05 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Capt. Tom

Even if he does not get the death penalty how long will he live after being sentenced with all the muslim shitheads in prison?


11 posted on 03/18/2012 4:09:03 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: nickcarraway

He was only imitating their culture.


12 posted on 03/18/2012 4:09:45 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Wow, Fisk is clearly completely out of touch with reality.


13 posted on 03/18/2012 4:10:33 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye (everything's shiny)
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To: Future Snake Eater
"...This was the same nonsense used to describe the murderous US soldiers who ran amok in the Iraqi town of Haditha..."

I stopped there.

14 posted on 03/18/2012 4:11:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: nickcarraway

Are the scientists playing around with undisclosed LSD administrations again, or are they testing something new?


15 posted on 03/18/2012 4:11:42 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: pacpam
Hasan is a Jihadist. Obama is a stalking horse of the moslem brotherhood. The islamics know that slow and steady wins the race against Christian western civilization.

USA pays for moslem brotherhood to take over Egypt, Syria and Lybia. Russia still has real nukes and is threatened by Moslem populations. Add the numbers and find a country retreat before its too late.

16 posted on 03/18/2012 4:16:34 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Jihad is an institution inherent to the Islamic system itself; a permanent religious obligation)
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To: Capt. Tom

How about the asshole who fragged the officers tent just before the Iraq war.I’m still waiting to hear the outcome to that.


17 posted on 03/18/2012 4:16:51 PM PDT by gunner03
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To: gunner03
How about the asshole who fragged the officers tent just before the Iraq war.I’m still waiting to hear the outcome to that.

Good call. I was thinking about that case and like most people haven't heard much info on it.
Swift Jusice has become meaningless in this country in both civil and military courts. - Tom

18 posted on 03/18/2012 4:22:15 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: rlmorel

I looked this Fisk guy up on Wikipedia. The entries regarding Afghanistan and Iraq are very illuminating. Extremely anti-U.S. and anti-military.


19 posted on 03/18/2012 4:25:23 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: nickcarraway

This John Henry Browne is a high priced high flying lawyer. How is he getting paid? Does the military allow a defendant to choose a civilian attorney and then pick up the tab? I don’t imagine an E-6 could come up with the fees this guy charges. Any one have any idea how this works in the military?


20 posted on 03/18/2012 4:28:33 PM PDT by Random Access
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To: Capt. Tom

“don’t remember death penalty talk from the Obama administration when Major Hassan murdered about 15 fellow US soldiers at Ft. Hood. Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:53:05 PM by Capt. Tom”
Nope, he didn’t say it. In fact, he urged everyone not to jump to conclusions. Quite a sickening contrast!


21 posted on 03/18/2012 4:31:15 PM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: Random Access

From what I have read on FR, Bales is from a family of means. I think he and his family will have to pick up the tab. History shows that a civilian lawyer is better in these cases than a military lawyer. In particular, I am thinking about a book I read about Son Thang. It’s been about 10 years since I read the book, so I won’t go I to details because I will most likely distort the facts.


22 posted on 03/18/2012 4:34:00 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Future Snake Eater

Yeah, I got that from reading the linked article. Liberal scum.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 4:34:20 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Pat4ever
Nope, he didn’t say it. In fact, he urged everyone not to jump to conclusions. Quite a sickening contrast!

I, along with others like Sen. Susan Collins, jumped to the conclusion it was a Muslim jihad problem, but the Defense Dept said it was "workplace violence.

'During a joint session of the Senate and House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday, the Maine Republican referenced a letter from the Defense Department depicting the Fort Hood shootings as workplace violence. She criticized the Obama administration for failing to identify the threat as radical Islam.

24 posted on 03/18/2012 4:43:49 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: nickcarraway

...stabbed and set ablaze too? This is the first time I’ve seen that.


25 posted on 03/18/2012 5:07:14 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: Capt. Tom
I will NEVER trust or believe the MSM since due to their non vetting of Hussein Obama in 2008,,

and will stand strong with Robert Bales and support him during this horrible time for him and his family...

Barack Hussein Obama never served in time of War, nor did he do any military service, he can not possibly understand what this man has been through..and I say to Hussein Obama, try walking in this mans shoes..

26 posted on 03/18/2012 5:09:24 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: Random Access
I don't know how the military handles it but yesterday I read where Browne said this was not pro-bono...so someone is coming up with the money.
27 posted on 03/18/2012 5:11:51 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: nickcarraway

Bet he sees a GCM befor Maj Hassan, the FT Hood Killer..any bets?


28 posted on 03/18/2012 5:32:09 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wasn’t the last soldier to be executed in WWII..Pvt Slovack (sp) who was found guilty of desertion? He faced a firing squad I believe. Guess the kid was shell shocked and ran, was captured and found guilty and during wartime, got a bullet for his attempt.


29 posted on 03/18/2012 5:38:06 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: nickcarraway

So this unfortunate man will be put on trial, while the true traitors to America are running the country. Go figure.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 5:39:41 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: nickcarraway

So this unfortunate man will be put on trial, while the true traitors to America are running the country. Go figure.


31 posted on 03/18/2012 5:39:58 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: celtic gal
PFC Bennett, in '61. They hanged him for rape.

/johnny

32 posted on 03/18/2012 5:49:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Capt. Tom

I believe your conclusion is spot-on. “Workplace violence” is as ridiculous as an inexperienced Marxist senator being elected president.


33 posted on 03/18/2012 5:56:05 PM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: nickcarraway
I will argue just on the merits of this case.

Fact: A terrible civilian massacre in Afghanistan, a nation we liberated, has occurred. No evidence exists to the contrary.

Fact: This was not an islamist extremist gathering, nor a nest of armed Taliban or AQ terrorists or their sympathizers. No evidence exists to the contrary.

Fact: This was not an official US government operation. No evidence exists to the contrary.

Fact: This was an act of mass murder against civilians, some as young as 2 or 3 years old, who were shot in the head and then had bodies partially set aflame. (I have seen some of the uncensored photographs). No evidence exists to the contrary.

Fact: This is an act or series of acts not representative of the United States of America, nor of the millions of fine young men and women who serve with honor in our US armed forces in the Afghan and other fields. I think of many a young soldier bringing a frisbee or football to an Afghan village and establishing rapport with little Afghan kids and building trust with these kids and villagers and becoming big heroes in their eyes, and then somebody else in the military destroying these efforts of goodwill right overnight in a flash, ending in the garrisoning of US troops in Afghanistan and positioning every Westerner in that country in considerable danger.

Fact: It cannot be rationalized anymore you can rationalize a guy not in uniform going into a stateside Denny's because of personal emotional problems and him just killing everyone in sight (this happened in San Diego, at Luby's in Texas and elsewhere). Someone should have been able to "double tap" the assailant on the spot and take him out. If captured alive, 95% of FR would call for the electrocution or lethal injection of such a mass murderer stateside. And there would be champagne toasts on this site at the moment of the Governor of the state announced the sentence was carried out.

Fact: Whomever is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of these crimes in those Afghan villages, and all legal appeals are exhausted, particularly if the convicted criminal is found to not be insane AND had engaged in some kind of advance planning, then I would say, this person does not represent the USA and should indeed be given the maximum penalty under law: Death.

Fact: The man or persons who did these things, are no heroes.

The policy of straining our military with such foolish multiple deployments to no-win war theatres is also worth of due review and reflection.

However, we are a nation of responsibility, of good, of justice, of Christianity, and the person who did these things will likely have to pay the price with his own life. If that happens, there will be justice in my book.

If however we believe this doesnt amount to anything, then we have no more business being in foreign countries as a nation with a deployed military and I would say it is morally unsustainable and time to bring them all back. (I know from the three black servicemembers fresh in from "da hood", 2 Marines, one Navy seaman) guilty of violently gang-raping an innocent, small 12-year old Okinawan girl--who probably has since committed seppuku, (with duct tape and condoms purchased in advance with a rental car for the act also rented with that purpose--and later one of these men release killed his girlfriend before committing suicide, still incorrigible after 7 years in a Japanese prison) that just putting on a military uniform of the finest, most compassionate and upstanding, exceptional nation on the face of the earth does not automaticaly make any one of us an instant saint, above reproach no question. (If anything, the sacred uniform of our Armed Forces adds even more accountability and responsibility to our deeds, as protected and defender of the weak, defenseless and liberated. "We are, after all" as President Reagan would say, "AMERICANS".).

And a final word: Yes, the DEATH PENALTY for Islamist Enemy Combatant and Traitor Nidal Hassan if found guilty of the Ft. Hood jihad massacres. First that trial should be concluded, and this this Afghan Massacre trial concluded, in that order)

34 posted on 03/18/2012 5:58:31 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: nickcarraway

Rule 303 (5.56) applies here.


35 posted on 03/18/2012 6:00:53 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

If he did it, it is indefensible. You stated it well. Sadly.


36 posted on 03/18/2012 6:28:57 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
After 9/11, I really find it difficult to sympathize with the people of a country that harbored bin Laden and his cohorts, who murdered American civilians on US soil.

Also- we never "liberated" Afghanistan. We essentially bought off the warlords who hold the true power. Karzai and his puppet government have no power outside of Kabul.

As you stated, this joker is not representative if the US outside of the fact that he wears the uniform.

37 posted on 03/18/2012 7:17:47 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: Sarajevo
I can quite understand your points, and your continuing anger of 9-11, I do share it.

Those little village kids were born years after 9-11 occurred and yet were gunned down while they slept. At the very least, I hope being asleep meant they felt no pain nor sensed any fear of death, at any way, they are now spirits in Christ's hands as innocents killed, those little kids didn't do nothing to nobody, and deserved none of that. What is so freaking strange is that if this allegaged whacked out gunman had little kids of his own around the same age, shooting up these kids, it just does not fit. A lot of it does not make sense and is stomach turning in fact.

38 posted on 03/18/2012 7:26:53 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: Random Access

A better question is how can I donate to Sgt Bales defense fund?


39 posted on 03/18/2012 8:28:59 PM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Normally, the death penalty is reserved for crimes without any mitigating circumstances. This crime is horrible, and the soldier DOES need to face the evidence.

However, his actions following the shootings and the circumstances leading up to it indicate someone who snapped. He made no attempt to conceal what he did...it seems he went, he shot, he gave himself up. Based on what little we know now, a defense based on insanity may work. It certainly seems enough to look at life in prison, and not death.


40 posted on 03/18/2012 8:49:54 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: nickcarraway
At least the Staff Sgt. Bales is back in the United States and wasn't turned over to Karzai’s Sharia Court for “justice.” I am certain that the Muslim-in-Chief is very disappointed. Has the accused been given his Article 32 hearing yet?
41 posted on 03/18/2012 10:40:00 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: gunner03

‘How about the asshole who fragged the officers tent just before the Iraq war.I’m still waiting to hear the outcome to that.’

Soldier Sentenced to Death for Iraq War Murder

A 15-member military jury sentenced Sgt. Hasan Akbar to death for killing 2 U.S. military officers in Kuwait in 2003 during the opening days of the Iraq invasion. At his sentencing, Akbar said, “I want to apologize for the attack that occurred. I felt that my life was in jeopardy, and I had no other options. I also want to ask you for forgiveness.” He is the first American since the Vietnam era to be prosecuted for murdering a fellow soldier in wartime. (N.Y. Times, April 29, 2005 (AP)).

No one has been executed under the military’s death penalty since 1961. There are 7 other soldiers facing possible execution, including two who have had their death sentences reversed on appeal. Seven of the eight (87%) soldiers now on death row are members of racial minorities.

http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1432


42 posted on 03/19/2012 3:20:11 AM PDT by Mila
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To: nickcarraway

What is the BIG RUSH to charge and execute this guy? Muslim Major Hassan killed many U S soldiers and others in cold blood over 3 years ago BUT to trial yet. He is drawing full pay. Living high on the hog (or whatever Muslims eat). Obama is so afraid of Crazy Uncle Karzai.


43 posted on 03/19/2012 5:21:07 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I also understand your points. On this topic, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Cheers,

44 posted on 03/19/2012 6:04:56 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: Kaylee Frye

“Wow, Fisk is clearly completely out of touch with reality.”
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He has a lot of company, if he didn’t this country would not be in the miserable mess it is in.


45 posted on 03/19/2012 6:39:53 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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