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Gas Prices Still Going Up, Refineries Shutting Down
Boise Weekly ^ | March 18th | George Prentice

Posted on 03/19/2012 6:44:11 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Energy industry analysts say there's no relief in sight at the nation's gas pumps.

While prices jumped 6 percent in February, market experts said many of the nation's refineries have been idled or shut down permanently because their owners claimed they were losing money on them. According to the Wall Street Journal, Sunoco is expected to close another of its large refineries this July, "taking another 335,000 barrels per day in production capacity off the market."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; democrats; gasprices; nobama2012; obama; refineries; refinery; shuttingdown
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Can't find the link.....

But this is old news.

Most of the refineries being shut down are smaller and older facilities that delivered gasoline directly to their local market.

These days it's actually cheaper to refine gasoline at a Texas or Caribbean mega-plant and sail it by tanker to places like Philadelphia.

This article may have discussed USA refineries selling gasoline to European buyers.

Completely true, but the reason is simple.

Europeans are offering more money than USA buyers.

51 posted on 03/19/2012 2:33:12 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: thackney

This looks to be a regional supply problem specific to the Northeast. Evidently east coast refineries are being squeezed due to price of input oil.

They can’t get product from the middle of the country and are not set up to process the lower quality crude anyway.

Article-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/17/as-gas-prices-rise-no-relief-in-sight-at-pump/


52 posted on 03/19/2012 2:51:52 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/17/as-gas-prices-rise-no-relief-in-sight-at-pump/


53 posted on 03/19/2012 2:54:11 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I don't know why everyone is bitchen about the price of gas. It is pure D capitalism at it's finest. Shut down production less in market place higher prices. this is the free market system.
54 posted on 03/19/2012 3:20:30 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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To: headstamp 2

Potential Impacts of Reductions in Refinery Activity on Northeast Petroleum Product Markets
http://www.eia.gov/analysis/petroleum/nerefining/update/
Release date: February 27, 2012

Executive Summary
This report updates and expands upon a December 2011 U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) report, Reductions in Northeast Refining Activity: Potential Implications for Petroleum Product Markets. Since September 2011, two refineries in the Philadelphia area (ConocoPhillips Trainer refinery and Sunoco’s Marcus Hook refinery) and one major Caribbean export refinery supplying the East Coast (HOVENSA’s U.S. Virgin Islands refinery) have closed. In addition, Sunoco has announced plans to idle its remaining Philadelphia-area refinery (Sunoco Philadelphia) in July 2012 if no buyer is found. The three Philadelphia-area refineries (Trainer, Marcus Hook, and Philadelphia) taken together represented 50% of total East Coast refining capacity as of August 2011.

To date, the market transition following the closing of two Philadelphia-area refineries in September and December 2011 has been relatively smooth, but the situation could change. Those closures have been partially offset by the startup of PBF Energy’s Delaware City refinery in October 2011, which had been shut down in late 2009 by Valero before its sale to PBF Energy. However, if Sunoco’s Philadelphia refinery, which alone accounted for nearly a quarter of refinery capacity on the East Coast in 2011, were to shut down in July 2012, petroleum product markets in the Northeast could be significantly impacted.

Refining capacity is available outside of the East Coast to replace products historically supplied by the capacity that has been or may be idled, including potential production losses from the Sunoco Philadelphia refinery, but transportation constraints may hinder the delivery of products to the Northeast in the short term. Ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel (ULSD) will be the most challenging product to replace as there are few alternative supply sources outside of the U.S. Gulf Coast. Transportation constraints may also hamper the movement of all replacement products through Pennsylvania and into western New York, areas currently supplied by pipelines originating in the Philadelphia area refinery complex. The industry may not be able to overcome all of the logistical challenges in the Northeast for a year or more, as infrastructure changes will be necessary to accommodate the changing product flows.

If the Sunoco Philadelphia refinery closes, price impacts are highly uncertain. If areas cannot be adequately supplied in the short term, prices can spike. In the longer run, higher prices and possibly higher price volatility can result from longer supply chains. The potential loss of the Sunoco Philadelphia refinery presents a complex supply challenge, and no single solution has been identified by industry participants that will address all of the logistical hurdles that must be overcome. The industry will have a financial incentive to serve all markets in the Northeast, and companies are currently investigating options. However, companies are not likely to make significant investments in new logistical arrangements until the status of Sunoco’s Philadelphia refinery is known. EIA will continue to monitor this situation as it evolves.

See complete report
http://www.eia.gov/analysis/petroleum/nerefining/update/pdf/neprodmkts.pdf


55 posted on 03/19/2012 3:45:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: headstamp 2
A couple other things to keep in mind.

The East cost petroleum consumption has dropped 1.5 million barrels a day from the peak a few years ago. They don't need as much capacity.

If they were short, we would see a rise in imports. Instead we see a drop.

In fact, the East coast has been exporting more refined product than before.

I don't see they had any real problem, other than an excess of refining capacity.

If the Sunoco Philadelphia refinery closes, that will probably be a concern. But I suspect someone like PBF Energy will buy them like they did Delaware City. But they might let them close first to get it on the cheap.

56 posted on 03/19/2012 4:01:41 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wuli
Supply and demand works.

Precisely why the oilcos are cutting gasoline production. There is much less demand. If everyone were working, there would be less of a problem with high gas prices. But with 13-15% real unemployment and 20% under-underemployment and 2 MILLION fewer actual jobs in the economy, who needs gas?

While I wasn't looking, it seems 53% of my fellow American voters thought that a jive-ass Chicago Community Organizer of highly dubious provenance, with a slew of commie friends and a string of mysterious Affirmative Action academic credentials, would somehow make a great President. They also thought it would be way cool to have a "person of color" in the White House. Why they didn't choose Deval Patrick is beyond me. He is better looking, just as nonsensically ignorant and ineffectual, and an even better liar.

The RNC also thought it would be way cool to nominate a drooling old fool who made Bob Dole look peppy and smart as "our" candidate.

WTF. Happy Motoring!

57 posted on 03/19/2012 5:27:27 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If this continues, gas prices will rise so high that Obama will become unelectable.


58 posted on 03/19/2012 5:35:47 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: thackney

We are also a net exporter because refiners don’t want to keep dancing to the EPA’s boutique gasoline stupidity and instead refine fuels to the standards of, and for sale into, other markets outside the US.

Which makes more production sense - making a run of 1 million barrels formulated to one standard (for sale outside the US) or 20 lots of 50,000 barrels, each lot being slightly different but which can only be sold in a specific market, and of which each time you change formulas for a specific lot you have to shut down at least partially, thus greatly slowing your production and increasing your cost?


59 posted on 03/19/2012 5:45:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: thackney

Thank you very much for this info Thack.

Looks like the major fly in the ointment will be with ULSD as NY will be the first to switch over to it this July for heating oil with other Northeast states following suit thereafter.

This all looks like a major supplier reshuffling. Also it appears more pipeline capacity will be needed to get product up here with the refinery closings.


60 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:26 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: zeestephen
the HOVENSA refinery on St.Croix just shut down...
61 posted on 03/19/2012 8:06:57 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: G Larry
Will somebody please explain this to Bill O’Reilly?

LOL! Impossible, he's always talking.

62 posted on 03/19/2012 8:18:21 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Rapscallion

We haven’t got genetics robust enough to stand up to nuclear fall out if a panicky liberal cabal decided to use American nukes against the American population....this isn’t the 1860’s....

It might even fit with their depopulation agenda!


63 posted on 03/20/2012 4:22:48 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: Chode

It doesn’t stop with Hovensa.

Valero to shutter Aruba refinery
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/03/19/valero-to-shutter-aruba-refinery/

The decline in US demand has impacts even outside our borders.


64 posted on 03/20/2012 4:49:03 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Spktyr
We are also a net exporter because refiners don’t want to keep dancing to the EPA’s boutique gasoline stupidity

That is not the reason for the export, as they are still supply that domestic market as well.

65 posted on 03/20/2012 4:54:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
dominoes
66 posted on 03/20/2012 5:08:52 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: thackney

One of the workers at the BP refinery in Texas City told me that if BP can’t sell it, I think this year, they’re shutting it down.


67 posted on 03/20/2012 10:04:39 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: MHGinTN

I couldn’t agree more. I have no idea what it would take to get “we the people” to go into action, but I don’t think obama staying the white house illegally would do it. He’s there illegally now and we haven’t done anything.


68 posted on 03/20/2012 10:12:02 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: Kenny Bunk

For those who think high gasoline prices are an American problem, a problem that politicians should be doing something to “fix”, a problem that should be “fixed” by taking some kind of actions against American oil companies; the following points of interest are offered:

Today in China - still a low wage developing economy for most of its people, retail gasoline prices are $4.53 a gallon.

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-china-gas-20120320,0,670317.story

The vast majority of the worlds oil reserves are owned and controlled by state owned companies. The portion of the worlds oil reserves owned by United States oil companies is about 2 1/2 percent.

http://www.petrostrategies.org/Links/Worlds_Largest_Oil_and_Gas_Companies_Sites.htm

Big U.S oil companies earn the large sums they do NOT because they control so much oil in the world, but because they are trying to deliver oil and oil related products to the most oil-thirsty consumer market - the U.S.

U.S, oil companies own so little of the world’s oil reserves and the U.S. market is so thirsty for oil and it is such a large market that global demands and global events and global concerns about the oil supplies, not greedy U.S. oil companies, will perenially affect U.S. gasoline prices.

ExxonMobiles profits for 2011 amounted to a little over 12 cents on the dollar, in an industry that has some of the largest capital requirements in the world. They pay more in taxes than they keep in profits.

http://www.finanalys.com/?p=169


69 posted on 03/20/2012 11:05:40 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Part of the challenges for company like ExxonMobil is they buy more oil than they produce themselves. Their refining throughput is over twice their crude oil production.


70 posted on 03/20/2012 11:44:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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