Skip to comments.What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? (Evidence mounting on limitless supply of oil)
Posted on 03/19/2012 6:58:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I like the way these articles make liberals’ heads explode.
I have been saying this for decades now.... “fossil fuels” is nothing but a myth... want proof, bury a dead animal in your yard, return in a year and dig it up... you have bones and dirt, not oil.... millions of years will not turn bone or dirt to oil.... ashes to ashes, dust to dust (not ashes to oil, dust to oil).. another econazi myth..
Oil and gas are renewable resources. Always have been. Anyone in that industry understands it. Only and idiot or fool or government hack believe it comes from “dino-sources”
“How are we supposed to be able to control all these people and impose our utopia on them if they have access to all the energy and mobility that they want!!!!????”
Also, isn’t Titan, one of the moons of Saturn, covered in lakes of frozen natural gas? Sure as heck aren’t any dead dinos there.
Humans have only scratched the surface of what’s in the earth. We have little idea what’s actually down there. The deepest bore-hole of any kind was drilled by the Russians - about 40,000 feet, I believe.
that’s not even a pin-prick, given the size of the Earth.
I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about this years ago. It’s seems that old oil wells are filling back up from farther underground. Which could only mean that either the earth is a LOT older than scientists believe and we are only tapping the “top layer” of oil (which seems unlikely as there are other methods to measure the age of the earth), or at least a portion of the oil is being produced by a non-biological process down near the mantle and working it’s way up (which would mean that the supply of oil is essentially limitless). While this theory is certainly not mainstream, there is some evidence, not the least of which is the abundance of hydrocarbons the moons of Saturn, which certainly weren’t produced by biological means.
I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about this years ago. It’s seems that old oil wells are filling back up from farther underground. Which could only mean that either the earth is a LOT older than scientists believe and we are only tapping the “top layer” of oil (which seems unlikely as there are other methods to measure the age of the earth), or at least a portion of the oil is being produced by a non-biological process down near the mantle and working it’s way up (which would mean that the supply of oil is essentially limitless). While this theory is certainly not mainstream, there is some evidence, not the least of which is the abundance of hydrocarbons on the moons of Saturn, which certainly weren’t produced by biological means.
I’ve always agreed with abiotic oil but would add that we need to determine the “balance point” of our use v. abiotic production.
Honest question here: Is it possible to used carbon dating on oil?
If it were found to all be millions of years old then yes there is a finite limit based upon how much we are bringing to the surface.
If it were found to be much younger then a case could be made that it is being produced now and then we would need to know how much per decade vs how much we are extracting.
Agree. I have said for years that there could not possibly be enough plants and dinosaurs that died to create the billions and billions of oil that exist today.
Every day we consume 19 million barrels of oil, every single day!
How many brontosauruses is that?
Carbon dating won’t work past 20k years, and I’m being generous.
This has been pretty evident for a while, oil is not a limited resource created by dead and long decayed plat and organic matter, but the end result of processes within the earth.
Of course, can’t say for 100% certainty that is what is going on, but we have never been able to say with 100% certainty that the current believe its created from long dead organic matter is right either. They have based this belief on the fact that coal is obviously created that way, and that organic markers can be found in oil.
However if Oil is produced by microbial action far below the surface, finding organic residue in oil would be expected.
I think the evidence that its not limited supply, has been mounting for a long long time, but no one wants to accept this reality.
Wow, don't even know where to start. Oil is the result of extreme pressure, heat and lot's of time.
Srs. you need to take a basic education courses, not at the college level but 5-6 grade level. Your response is embarrassing to say the least
This nonsense again?
Fossil fuels are not a myth, Coal is without question a fossil fuel, anyone who’s ever mined it or found it can tell you its clearly made from organic materials crushed under pressure for extended periods of time, the evidence is visible within the coal strata itself.
And in fact, COAL is abundant, but it is finite.
Oil on the other hand, I agree, oil can be produced without the need for dead plants/animals being compressed and buried for extended periods of time.
Far, far worse is the solution to just about everything for the country (and trickle down to the rest of the world) is all it takes is one signature and the entire US debt is gone in couple years, the energy crisis turns into 100 year assurance energy source, millions of jobs created. All federal lands are 99 year leases for oil and gas exploration and extraction with a penalty of 5 times the projected income if any future adminstrations revoke those leases. Contract law with the energy companies.
I have no idea whether or not this idea corresponds with the facts, or not.
But it is a testable hypotheses, it seems to me. So a government that was concerned with the American people (i.e., one that we haven’t had in a long time) would invest a little money and find out. Or permit private enterprise to do so.
Everybody knows that Pellucidar is down there, complete with dinosaurs. :)
and here I thought AlGore was the deepest bore-hole ...
no, what’s embarassing is newly signed up econazi trying to infiltrate the board... go away
“biology creates methane quickly and in vast quantities.”
Be glad you’re not stuck in this office with me this morning!
I have never heard a person say that.
From the 'net:
Crude oil is not largely made up of Dinosaurs as many people believe. Instead they are made up of infinite trillions of ancient algae that died and sunk to the bottom of the ocean and seas millions of years ago. These algae lived in the shallow seas of the past, where they took in Carbon Dioxide (CO2) and release the oxygen back to the atmosphere. The carbon was used in the plants life for groth, but when they died all that carbon in the algae sunk to the bottom of the sea and over the eons was covered with silt. Over millions of years the dead algae became closer to the earths mantle with the constant adition of new sediment. Eventually it got close enough to the mantle to start cooking, this burned away the impurities and left the carbon on hydrogen (this is whey oil is called a Hydrocarbon fuel). After being bake some of the oil would avoid being swallowed by the earth or being turned into natural gas and seeped up towards the surface. What keeps the oil from surfacing is cap-stones.
Your dog was consumed by worms and other burrowers. Just as on land, there are burrowers and terd rustlers in the oceans. They mainly live in oxygenated waters. Petroleum source rocks occur in anoxic waters where there is not apply oxygen to support such life and thus organic matter can be preserved without being consumed. Concentrate the organic material, bury it and heat it, then you have expulsion. Migrate it to a trap and you have a field. Most oil and gas misses a trap and comes to the surface.
ALL oil has biotic signatures. However, those biotic signatures may be from single cell swarms in pools of natural gas, eating and excreting. Thus the APPEARANCE or renewable. Once the natural gas (food) runs out, the life dies out leaving the bodies (biotic signatures).
Get real. Your comment about burying a dog bone and it not being oil the next year is just laughable. It makes conservatives look like fools.
“corned beef & cabbage “
Ya nailed it!
Well, AGW has its believers, too..............
Russian geoscientists have always said this. The left can’t stand the idea that someone else runs something......
No appreciable amount of oil has come from dinosaurs, which like a deer on the side of the highway, were scavenged by the buzzards, fire ants, worms, and the like of their day. Oil comes primarily from algae, which lives in the photic zones of the oceans. When it dies, it falls to the bottom. Only under certain conditions is the water anoxic (lacking oxygen) so that the buzzard’s equivalent on the bottom of the ocean don’t consume the organic matter. It takes millions of years for a significant amount of material to accumulate and then be buried to around 10,000’ deep for catagenesis to take place.
Carbon dating has been used to show the carbon atoms in the petroleum to be so old that it exceeds the ability to give an actual date. If the oil was formed in the last 10,000 years it could be dated.
Please provide citations.
Hey! No fair bringing up geology - that’s for pointy-headed scientists!
This is very interesting, but, none of this matters to the liberals. The liberals still will say that “fossil fuels” are evil because of greenhouse gases and all that. If oil is really a renewable resource, it wouldn’t change their opinion that oil and coal are evil, oil companies are evil, Al Gore is God, etc. etc.
Even if oil were limitless, they will still want to see windmills, ocean wave farms, solar panels, and God knows what other green energy.
The subduction zones obviously take cubic miles of ocean floor deep into the earth. That ocean floor is composed of... carbonates from eons of marine life fallen to the bottom.
Take that DEEP into high temperature and pressure and you get OIL ! ! !!
So it's renewable, limitless, and self-cleaning. The CO2 is recycled by organisms everywhere.
what is laughable is your attempt to infiltrate the board... you see, there are many different opinions here, and most people that disagree with me have given educated answers to the statement, whereas you have chosen to use alinsky tactics.. a hardcore leftist econazi is so easy to spot.... and you, sir are a leftist econazi stuffed shirt so full of himself single digit IQ idiot... like I said, just go away
It’s about time
Fossil fuel deniers- advance!
look up “abiogenic oil”
What most people fail to realize is that oil truly is a renewable resource. The problem is that the human time scale is a little different than that of the earth and its eternal workings. A mountain range once ran across Texas to the east into Alabama and linked up with the older version of the Appalachians. I wish that they would reappear (as do most mountain ranges as the earth is easier to break and bend along pre-existing zones of weakness) so I wouldn’t have to drive to Colorado to cool off in the summer and go skiing. Unfortunately, Texas is still subsiding as is all of the Gulf Coast. I will have to wait a few more million years before the big hole to the south of us is finally filled it with sediment and we stop sinking. Mountains tend to be created at about a half-inch per year.
I’ve often thought that the sheer volume of petroleum seems a little bit unexplainable by the (relatively) small amount of time in geologic history to explain it. Only an infinitessimal amount of vegetation ends up being transformed into petroleum. So, while 600 million years may seem like a long time, the question to be answered is: “given observable processes, is it really enough?”
It doesn't matter if oil is a renewing resource. What matters is whether new oil is being created at a rate comparable to the rate at which it is being consumed. If it's being created at a rate 0.01% of the consumption rate, then the fact has little importance.
We can be pretty sure that any creation rate is much less than the current consumption rate. If oil had been being created at the current consumption rate over the last million years, the oceans would be filled with oil rather than water.